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By:
stridingedge
When: 16 Apr 20 21:28
Yes but I'm saying the models were running massive deaths in an unchecked community.

The death rate is only so low at present because of the action that's been taken. You keep comparing 2 circumstances that are not the same.

There's no scientist any governments are listening to that didn't think the death toll would have been many fold without the restrictions imposed.

Countries don't shut completely down like they have on a whim.
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 16 Apr 20 21:29
Wonder

That just tells me they are doing a live exercise even more Plain They need something to pin this economic crash on, we are all going to suffer in some shape or form from that, that's going to kill more than this virus

SE I say lets have a shut down in October then, see how many people we can save from the flu?
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 16 Apr 20 21:31
There's no way there's 10,000 deaths a month in normal times, that's absolute rubbish
By:
wondersobright
When: 16 Apr 20 21:32
there are circa 50k deaths a month this time of year normally
20% in care homes does that seem high?
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 16 Apr 20 21:32
So there's 120,000 deaths a year just in care homes?

Like I understand the lock down argument, but why isn't there something being done about that figure IF its true
By:
wondersobright
When: 16 Apr 20 21:33
nothing to be concerned about imo...
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 16 Apr 20 21:34
Not the virus no

But if you're old and in a care home... I'd be getting worried when placed in one
By:
dukeofpuke
When: 16 Apr 20 21:34
its an average of 1700 a day when theres a flu epidemic that kicks in when it its 2000 a day or cold weather like beast from the east didnt hit us until march that hit 2000 plus a day
By:
wondersobright
When: 16 Apr 20 21:34
old people die, sad but true
3 certainties in life birth, death & taxes
every day there are more than 100,000 more births than deaths around the world
By:
wondersobright
When: 16 Apr 20 21:35
none of my immediate family will ever be going in a care home
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 16 Apr 20 21:44
Duke the pneumonia is pretty lethal at its peak and that's my point

We are past the peak of that season now, the warm weather would have taken care of that over the past 10 days

The numbers clearly aren't in sync with the real life situations, and there's graphs going round claiming its above its normal level

Well wonders 10,000 a month deaths, dukes 1700 a day at the height of flu season as well

Something doesn't stack up that's just my opinion. Its like they want us to kick off now as well, so my opinion on that is fight the urge, just play along and see how far they are willing to take it
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 16 Apr 20 21:45
The little bas*ards want a little riot do they, don't give them one

And just refuse any vaccine they offer anyway
By:
wondersobright
When: 16 Apr 20 21:48
naturellement Grin
By:
dukeofpuke
When: 16 Apr 20 21:48
To SontaranStratagem

Regarding 5G we know its an electromagnetic force EMF we know that oxygen exists in our atmosphere as O2 therefore it becomes magnetic therefore bonds between the electrons from both molecules can be affected by EMF are they telling us this, they say it doesnt affect humans maybe it doesnt but it doesnt have to if it affects something else

thats why O2 magnetic force works with hemoglobin which is a  metalloprotein which has a metal ion cofactor - iron

thats the basics its infinitely more complicated than that
By:
wondersobright
When: 16 Apr 20 21:56
at 60GHz oxygen molecules oscillate & this severely hinders the process of the oxygen binding to the hemoglobin in the blood...hence people struggle to breathe

doesn't take a genius to work out what happens when people are exposed to 60GHz for a significant period
By:
wondersobright
When: 16 Apr 20 21:58
NYC doctor on youtube saying its like patients have high altitude sickness except their muscles are not tired
By:
jucel69
When: 16 Apr 20 22:07
I don't believe any of this 5g bollocks
These aren't gamma rays they are radio waves which have been around for over a hundred years.
By:
jucel69
When: 16 Apr 20 22:09
South Korea have been using it for almost a year widespread.
Their covid figs are low too and it's a densely populated place
Over 425 people per square kilometer
By:
wondersobright
When: 16 Apr 20 22:09
radio waves are far lower frequency juce
By:
wondersobright
When: 16 Apr 20 22:10
5G is a wide range of frequencies anyway
By:
jucel69
When: 16 Apr 20 22:11

Apr 16, 2020 -- 10:09PM, wondersobright wrote:


radio waves are far lower frequency juce


They aren't, radio waves are 30 hertz to 300 gigs

By:
dukeofpuke
When: 16 Apr 20 22:11
they are electro magnetic waves the longer the wavelength ie 5G is classed as milimetre or mm as the wavelength can be measured in mm therefore its more magnetic ie has more power
By:
jucel69
When: 16 Apr 20 22:16
It’s important to first realize that 5G is a communication standard: it doesn’t have physical form. What does have physical form is the actual Carrier wave used to transmit data over the air. This carrier wave is part of the radio spectrum and can take on a variety of frequencies depending on implementation. Initially, 5G networks will actually use the same frequencies as 4G, with higher frequency bands in the mmwave spectrum coming later. 5G can theoretically go up to 300ghz, though currently planned implementations go up to ~40ghz.
So how can 5G hurt you?
There are two ways in which EM radiation can pose a hazard:
It breaks your DNA, giving you cancer.
Photons have a given amount of energy associated with them, given by this formula:
E = f * h
Where f is frequency and h is the Planck constant (6.62607004 × 10^-34 m² kg/s). With this, even the proposed maximum of 300ghz tops out at ~1.24 mili-electronvolt (meV). What we generally refer to as ionizing radiation (radiation with enough energy to break molecular bonds, including DNA) starts at 10 eV, or about 3 orders of magnitude more energy than 300ghz radio waves. In fact, green visible light (roughly 540,000ghz, or 1000x higher) only has about 2.2eV per photon.
So quite simply: 5G won’t give you cancer anymore than staring at a tree will.
It will cook you like a microwave oven.
Another potential danger of EM radiation is sheer power. This is a well-known hazard, as unfortunately discovered by early radar technicians. A high-powered EM source can cause damage to your body, by cooking you: the water in your body heats up and turns to steam given enough energy. This is essentially what a microwave oven does, and can have a whole host of negative effects on the body.
It’s also the same process used by any other cooking method: it’s effectively equivalent to standing in a fire, if not a bit less obvious.
But it’s also the same process that keeps you warm during the summer: the sun’s heat is absorbed by your body. And that doesn’t cause direct damage (although UV can cause skin cancer, but that’s unrelated as it’s ionizing radiation).
So clearly, what matters here is power: it’s the difference between a nice summer afternoon on the beach and having your eyeballs boil...
The FCC puts a 100W limit on ERP per channel in urban areas: that’s the amount of power a tower can transmit if broadcasting in every direction. In practice, the actual power output is much lower (10W per channel is what I’ve been quoted) because the beam is focused. Of course, there are typically many channels per cell tower (a couple hundred seems typical), bringing both the effective power output and ERP up.
If we approximate the source of this power to a sphere with a radius of 0.1m, then we can also calculate that the power per m² will have been reduced by a factor of 10000 by the time it travels 10m. The amount of power received by humans at ground level is actually quite tiny, coming in at well under a watt. In fact, one key aspect of 5G vs 4G is to have more towers spaced less far apart (reducing latency), but outputting less power. So your body will receive doses that are very low. This isn’t like ionizing radiation either, with no safe dose. Your body can easily dissipate 1W of energy, and does so just fine when exposed to the roughly 200-400W/m² it gets from sunlight.
So again, you’d be in bigger danger if you sat beneath a lamp. Not only is the radiation from a lamp of a much higher frequency, it’s also of a much higher power compared to what you get from cell towers when on the ground. My recommendation would just be not to strap yourself to a radio-antenna, and you’ll be fine...
5G is radio.
It is not a Potential Magical Death Ray . It is radio.
Radio has been around since 1887, when Heinrich Hertz made his infamously flawed statement about the implication of having discovered radio-waves.
Asked about the applications of his discoveries, Hertz replied.
"Nothing, I guess."
Radio is not magic, it is simple physics. Radio is the same kind of radiation as microwaves, heat (IR), visible light, ultraviolet, röntgen (X-rays), and gamma rays.
Some of these - UV, X-rays and Gamma are ionising. Ionising radiation is bad for you. But non-ionising radiation is not that. Visible light, IR, microwaves and radio are not ionising, and cannot do the kind of damage that UV, X-ray and Gamma can. This is not magic, nor poorly understood. This is simple physics.
5G is radio. Just radio. Yes, it is radio that is modulated to be able to carry digital data instead of analog data. That does not make it magic. It does not affect the body in special ways. It is radio.
Saying it needs to be studied for safety is equivalent to saying that we must re-examine the potentially harmful effects of table salt, if salt is put into hexagonal salt shakers.
5G is radio. Radio has been around for 140 years. Radio does not become a Magical Death Ray just because we modulate it in a new way."
By:
wondersobright
When: 16 Apr 20 22:22
ericsson.com website 5G will use new radio technology & new frequency bands
its not the same technology being used a century ago
By:
wondersobright
When: 16 Apr 20 22:22
same goes for 6G

if it was the same, they wouldn't be rolling it out 19 to the dozen
By:
jucel69
When: 16 Apr 20 22:25
It's just modulated differently, doesn't make it any more dangerous

It's been in S Korea for a year already, no obvious effects
If you listen to Terry there should be thousands of deaths already
By:
wondersobright
When: 16 Apr 20 22:25
I make my own mind up juce tbh
By:
wondersobright
When: 16 Apr 20 22:26
Initially, 5G networks will actually use the same frequencies as 4G, with higher frequency bands in the mmwave spectrum coming late

you said it yourself (or C&P)
By:
jucel69
When: 16 Apr 20 22:26
Not something I would worry about in the slightest, plenty more things in the world to get you first!
By:
jucel69
When: 16 Apr 20 22:28
There are plenty of benefits too, you can't stop progress, it's coming whether we like it or not
By:
wondersobright
When: 16 Apr 20 22:28

Apr 16, 2020 -- 10:26PM, jucel69 wrote:


Not something I would worry about in the slightest, plenty more things in the world to get you first!


quite possibly

By:
wondersobright
When: 16 Apr 20 22:28

Apr 16, 2020 -- 10:28PM, jucel69 wrote:


There are plenty of benefits too, you can't stop progress, it's coming whether we like it or not


I'm a dinosaur juce

By:
wondersobright
When: 16 Apr 20 22:30
btw have you sold the masks?
By:
jucel69
When: 16 Apr 20 22:30
cigs and alcohol are scientifically proven to fùck us up but we still PAY for the privilege of killing ourselves
Humans are strange creatures aren't theyLaugh
By:
jucel69
When: 16 Apr 20 22:31

Apr 16, 2020 -- 10:30PM, wondersobright wrote:


btw have you sold the masks?


yeh sold most of them for 5-20 quid each, filled in the void from no gambling!
Right I'm off to do my daily walk, laters!

By:
The Leopard
When: 16 Apr 20 22:55
Ketamine !
By:
The Leopard
When: 16 Apr 20 22:56
...a terrible drug !    (I have read )
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