How many in the nightingale now?

We should all be pleased if the Nightingale hospitals have no / few patients as it will prove the lockdown has been effective

Load of bollix

May be Future plans to use them to treat Virus only if the Numbers drop , Would free up Hospitals to deal with regular Patients , and may help regarding containment ..

a dozen

They will be used for something , Sadly Body storage if nowt else , Funeral back log must be unreal .

I demand for all lockdown restrictions to be eased immediately so we can fill the fooker up!

Honestly think going forward they will be used for corona ahead of general Hospitals makes Sense if

you think about it ..

We are 2 weeks behind in knowing death numbers

And that's a point, this "lag in deaths", we were told 3 weeks ago the NHS were getting ready for the "surge", well if there's a lag in deaths being reported they would have already been seeing the surge?? me thinks there's a plot hole here... a big one but don't tell anyone....

Yet the hospitals are claiming they are within capacity ffs, did they ever see that surge

There was a significant increase in cases and despite the increases levelling off now the numbers are still pretty grim looking to MOST i know.

The lockdown has done it's job because the alternative would have seen these places full up and the hospitals fooked.

Seems to disappoint some that the deaths have been kept as low as they have.

Strange.

Sontaran

Do you think the numerous estimates of deaths 200k+ come August with no interventions would have been acceptable?

That's not my argument here SE

My argument is they were waiting for a surge, but these deaths and cases are "in a lag", they would have been seeing the surge right about that time or even before it

And still no one is being tested, there's people out there being refused a test

200k wouldn't have died SE, nowhere near, 13000 deaths and these deaths go back to March 1st, that 6 almost 7 weeks and there's evidence out there that they are doctering the figures with other illnesses, like heart attacks and even cancer deaths.

Not if he was among them ,he wouldn't

the surge has been over the last 10 days or so

have you not been seeing the numbers?

Case

Then why are Sweden not really seeing any?

It depends how these deaths are being "reported" doesn't it, you can easily stick a covid tag on the body and bada boom bada bing

last 3 weeks (during lockdown) have seen statistically significant increased mortality in england
normal levels prior to that

sontaran sorry but you are proving why i shouldn't be talking to you

you've had an unprecedented lockdown that has stopped and reversed an exponential spread and yet you still want to use the lower deaths as evidence the disease isn't potent?

its possible that's due to people requiring life saving treatment not getting that treatment

No SE

The hospital staff are finding time to perfect their dance moves as well judging by the social media, dancing in empty wards

Something doesn't smell right

That's wrong wonder, I've been seeing that graph getting trotted out but yet pneumonia and flu deaths are down, car crashes are down, silly accidents are down

So whoever produced that graph is contradicting that

Deaths are down below the average

So that graph is utter turd

And why are pneumonia and flu down?

You can't compare the numbers in a lockdown to a normal flu season without restrictions

totally illogical and you don't seem to grasp it.

the lockdown was always going to stop the spread and flatten the graph the problem is there is no herd immunity and still massive chunks of the population with no immunity so easing up measures is a juggling act.

I'm not looking at graphs SS, I'm looking at public health england mortality data for all causes
for sure "non-covid19" deaths are down as lots of deaths are being redesignated as covid but there are defo signs of an upturn in deaths

SontaranStratagem • April 16, 2020 9:11 PM BST
Deaths are down below the average

not in england they aren't

Let the restrictions loose like some want and see what would happen.

anyone with a logical mind would have a fair stab at answering.

for sure "non-covid19" deaths are down as lots of deaths are being redesignated as covid but there are defo signs of an upturn in deaths

So you admit they are doctoring the covid figure then?

I think we should have shut downs for flu as well, you claim we have an immunity to that but how do you explain the high deaths previously?

even by their own admission they are massaging the covid figures

how many "covid deaths" is not what I'm interested in tbh
its how many deaths TOTAL

If you test people for cold/flu like symptoms you'd get a high positive rate during the winter months ffs

But we don't test for it so oh well

Thank you wonder, so you admit they are messing with death figures

13,000, how many are actual virus related????

SE and as for the measures taken I'm not really seeing round my way, people are out and about like its a frigging tea party

But the media aren't reporting it now which is telling

They can't hide the curve flattening if they showed us the real lockdown, which is everyone out and about

They can't bs us with curve flattening if they showed us pics of everyone out and about I should say

deaths directly attributed to covid...v few
the phrase they are using frequently is "died after testing positive for CV"...ambiguous wording at best imo

Sontaran you are talking over a flu season many months.This only showed up early march and you have those deaths still with a lockdown to put the breaks on now bearing fruit.

this was growing out of control with a high transmission rate that had to be stopped. Yes the mortality rate isn't high but it would have been a weight of numbers exercise leading to an incredible number of deaths as the spread took off unchecked.

I'm happy enough with the science I've seen and the modelling results to date to think these big scientific organisations would have been on the ball with this.

I suppose like many debates on here if you just don't believe the science it's futile us going round in circles.

Some still think the world is flat that 9 11 was all sorts of conspiracies and we never landed on the moon at all etc etc

It's not worth us falling out over it.

2/3 aint bad SE

SE I would say its the pneumonia that kills people not the flu

And they have admitted in Italy that it was indeed pneumonia (or "chronic pneumonia" to quote one doctor over there) that finished them off, everything we've been told points to a slightly more aggressive flu strain, we saw over 50,000 deaths 2 or 3 years ago from flu related

And I agree, we have no option but to just go along with it, we have to sit and wait until they decide to release us

read the other day an article about italy that said that 99% of covid deaths there was 1 or more underlying health issues
tells you all you need to know

Even when they release the care home deaths it wont be a massive jump, probably 2,000 at most

Maybe 3 to 4,000 home deaths. So 40,000? that's still below the worst flu season 2 or 3 years ago

If you wanna get technical we could double it over the previous 3 months (add in December, January and Febuary) if it hit then, but its convenient it hit when it did

Wonders

How do they usually release the influenza related deaths?

Can't be like this surely? surely its all released at the end of April?

hancock said on average there's 10k deaths a month in care homes even in normal times
surprisingly high figure

Yes but I'm saying the models were running massive deaths in an unchecked community.

The death rate is only so low at present because of the action that's been taken. You keep comparing 2 circumstances that are not the same.

There's no scientist any governments are listening to that didn't think the death toll would have been many fold without the restrictions imposed.

Countries don't shut completely down like they have on a whim.

Wonder

That just tells me they are doing a live exercise even more They need something to pin this economic crash on, we are all going to suffer in some shape or form from that, that's going to kill more than this virus

SE I say lets have a shut down in October then, see how many people we can save from the flu?

There's no way there's 10,000 deaths a month in normal times, that's absolute rubbish

there are circa 50k deaths a month this time of year normally
20% in care homes does that seem high?

So there's 120,000 deaths a year just in care homes?

Like I understand the lock down argument, but why isn't there something being done about that figure IF its true

nothing to be concerned about imo...

Not the virus no

But if you're old and in a care home... I'd be getting worried when placed in one

its an average of 1700 a day when theres a flu epidemic that kicks in when it its 2000 a day or cold weather like beast from the east didnt hit us until march that hit 2000 plus a day

old people die, sad but true
3 certainties in life birth, death & taxes
every day there are more than 100,000 more births than deaths around the world

none of my immediate family will ever be going in a care home

Duke the pneumonia is pretty lethal at its peak and that's my point

We are past the peak of that season now, the warm weather would have taken care of that over the past 10 days

The numbers clearly aren't in sync with the real life situations, and there's graphs going round claiming its above its normal level

Well wonders 10,000 a month deaths, dukes 1700 a day at the height of flu season as well

Something doesn't stack up that's just my opinion. Its like they want us to kick off now as well, so my opinion on that is fight the urge, just play along and see how far they are willing to take it

The little bas*ards want a little riot do they, don't give them one

And just refuse any vaccine they offer anyway

naturellement

To SontaranStratagem

Regarding 5G we know its an electromagnetic force EMF we know that oxygen exists in our atmosphere as O2 therefore it becomes magnetic therefore bonds between the electrons from both molecules can be affected by EMF are they telling us this, they say it doesnt affect humans maybe it doesnt but it doesnt have to if it affects something else

thats why O2 magnetic force works with hemoglobin which is a  metalloprotein which has a metal ion cofactor - iron

thats the basics its infinitely more complicated than that

at 60GHz oxygen molecules oscillate & this severely hinders the process of the oxygen binding to the hemoglobin in the blood...hence people struggle to breathe

doesn't take a genius to work out what happens when people are exposed to 60GHz for a significant period

NYC doctor on youtube saying its like patients have high altitude sickness except their muscles are not tired

I don't believe any of this 5g bollocks
These aren't gamma rays they are radio waves which have been around for over a hundred years.

South Korea have been using it for almost a year widespread.
Their covid figs are low too and it's a densely populated place
Over 425 people per square kilometer

radio waves are far lower frequency juce

5G is a wide range of frequencies anyway

Apr 16, 2020 -- 10:09PM, wondersobright wrote:

radio waves are far lower frequency juce

They aren't, radio waves are 30 hertz to 300 gigs

they are electro magnetic waves the longer the wavelength ie 5G is classed as milimetre or mm as the wavelength can be measured in mm therefore its more magnetic ie has more power

It’s important to first realize that 5G is a communication standard: it doesn’t have physical form. What does have physical form is the actual Carrier wave used to transmit data over the air. This carrier wave is part of the radio spectrum and can take on a variety of frequencies depending on implementation. Initially, 5G networks will actually use the same frequencies as 4G, with higher frequency bands in the mmwave spectrum coming later. 5G can theoretically go up to 300ghz, though currently planned implementations go up to ~40ghz.
So how can 5G hurt you?
There are two ways in which EM radiation can pose a hazard:
It breaks your DNA, giving you cancer.
Photons have a given amount of energy associated with them, given by this formula:
E = f * h
Where f is frequency and h is the Planck constant (6.62607004 × 10^-34 m² kg/s). With this, even the proposed maximum of 300ghz tops out at ~1.24 mili-electronvolt (meV). What we generally refer to as ionizing radiation (radiation with enough energy to break molecular bonds, including DNA) starts at 10 eV, or about 3 orders of magnitude more energy than 300ghz radio waves. In fact, green visible light (roughly 540,000ghz, or 1000x higher) only has about 2.2eV per photon.
So quite simply: 5G won’t give you cancer anymore than staring at a tree will.
It will cook you like a microwave oven.
Another potential danger of EM radiation is sheer power. This is a well-known hazard, as unfortunately discovered by early radar technicians. A high-powered EM source can cause damage to your body, by cooking you: the water in your body heats up and turns to steam given enough energy. This is essentially what a microwave oven does, and can have a whole host of negative effects on the body.
It’s also the same process used by any other cooking method: it’s effectively equivalent to standing in a fire, if not a bit less obvious.
But it’s also the same process that keeps you warm during the summer: the sun’s heat is absorbed by your body. And that doesn’t cause direct damage (although UV can cause skin cancer, but that’s unrelated as it’s ionizing radiation).
So clearly, what matters here is power: it’s the difference between a nice summer afternoon on the beach and having your eyeballs boil...
The FCC puts a 100W limit on ERP per channel in urban areas: that’s the amount of power a tower can transmit if broadcasting in every direction. In practice, the actual power output is much lower (10W per channel is what I’ve been quoted) because the beam is focused. Of course, there are typically many channels per cell tower (a couple hundred seems typical), bringing both the effective power output and ERP up.
If we approximate the source of this power to a sphere with a radius of 0.1m, then we can also calculate that the power per m² will have been reduced by a factor of 10000 by the time it travels 10m. The amount of power received by humans at ground level is actually quite tiny, coming in at well under a watt. In fact, one key aspect of 5G vs 4G is to have more towers spaced less far apart (reducing latency), but outputting less power. So your body will receive doses that are very low. This isn’t like ionizing radiation either, with no safe dose. Your body can easily dissipate 1W of energy, and does so just fine when exposed to the roughly 200-400W/m² it gets from sunlight.
So again, you’d be in bigger danger if you sat beneath a lamp. Not only is the radiation from a lamp of a much higher frequency, it’s also of a much higher power compared to what you get from cell towers when on the ground. My recommendation would just be not to strap yourself to a radio-antenna, and you’ll be fine...
5G is radio.
It is not a Potential Magical Death Ray . It is radio.
Radio has been around since 1887, when Heinrich Hertz made his infamously flawed statement about the implication of having discovered radio-waves.
Asked about the applications of his discoveries, Hertz replied.
"Nothing, I guess."
Radio is not magic, it is simple physics. Radio is the same kind of radiation as microwaves, heat (IR), visible light, ultraviolet, röntgen (X-rays), and gamma rays.
Some of these - UV, X-rays and Gamma are ionising. Ionising radiation is bad for you. But non-ionising radiation is not that. Visible light, IR, microwaves and radio are not ionising, and cannot do the kind of damage that UV, X-ray and Gamma can. This is not magic, nor poorly understood. This is simple physics.
5G is radio. Just radio. Yes, it is radio that is modulated to be able to carry digital data instead of analog data. That does not make it magic. It does not affect the body in special ways. It is radio.
Saying it needs to be studied for safety is equivalent to saying that we must re-examine the potentially harmful effects of table salt, if salt is put into hexagonal salt shakers.
5G is radio. Radio has been around for 140 years. Radio does not become a Magical Death Ray just because we modulate it in a new way."

ericsson.com website 5G will use new radio technology & new frequency bands
its not the same technology being used a century ago

same goes for 6G

if it was the same, they wouldn't be rolling it out 19 to the dozen

It's just modulated differently, doesn't make it any more dangerous

It's been in S Korea for a year already, no obvious effects
If you listen to Terry there should be thousands of deaths already

I make my own mind up juce tbh

Initially, 5G networks will actually use the same frequencies as 4G, with higher frequency bands in the mmwave spectrum coming late

you said it yourself (or C&P)

Not something I would worry about in the slightest, plenty more things in the world to get you first!

There are plenty of benefits too, you can't stop progress, it's coming whether we like it or not

Apr 16, 2020 -- 10:26PM, jucel69 wrote:

Not something I would worry about in the slightest, plenty more things in the world to get you first!

quite possibly

Apr 16, 2020 -- 10:28PM, jucel69 wrote:

There are plenty of benefits too, you can't stop progress, it's coming whether we like it or not

I'm a dinosaur juce

btw have you sold the masks?

cigs and alcohol are scientifically proven to fùck us up but we still PAY for the privilege of killing ourselves
Humans are strange creatures aren't they

Apr 16, 2020 -- 10:30PM, wondersobright wrote:

btw have you sold the masks?

yeh sold most of them for 5-20 quid each, filled in the void from no gambling!
Right I'm off to do my daily walk, laters!

Ketamine !

...a terrible drug !    (I have read )