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Anyone know. Haven't seen much telly lately..would have thought they would show a bit after bigging it up while they were doing it
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We should all be pleased if the Nightingale hospitals have no / few patients as it will prove the lockdown has been effective
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Load of bollix
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May be Future plans to use them to treat Virus only if the Numbers drop , Would free up Hospitals to deal with regular Patients , and may help regarding containment ..
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a dozen
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They will be used for something , Sadly Body storage if nowt else , Funeral back log must be unreal .
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I demand for all lockdown restrictions to be eased immediately so we can fill the fooker up!
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 Honestly think going forward they will be used for corona ahead of general Hospitals makes Sense if you think about it .. |
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We are 2 weeks behind in knowing death numbers
And that's a point, this "lag in deaths", we were told 3 weeks ago the NHS were getting ready for the "surge", well if there's a lag in deaths being reported they would have already been seeing the surge?? me thinks there's a plot hole here... a big one but don't tell anyone....  Yet the hospitals are claiming they are within capacity ffs, did they ever see that surge |
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There was a significant increase in cases and despite the increases levelling off now the numbers are still pretty grim looking to MOST i know.
The lockdown has done it's job because the alternative would have seen these places full up and the hospitals fooked. Seems to disappoint some that the deaths have been kept as low as they have. Strange. |
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Sontaran
Do you think the numerous estimates of deaths 200k+ come August with no interventions would have been acceptable? |
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That's not my argument here SE
My argument is they were waiting for a surge, but these deaths and cases are "in a lag", they would have been seeing the surge right about that time or even before it And still no one is being tested, there's people out there being refused a test 200k wouldn't have died SE, nowhere near, 13000 deaths and these deaths go back to March 1st, that 6 almost 7 weeks and there's evidence out there that they are doctering the figures with other illnesses, like heart attacks and even cancer deaths. |
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Not if he was among them ,he wouldn't
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the surge has been over the last 10 days or so
have you not been seeing the numbers? |
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Case
Then why are Sweden not really seeing any? It depends how these deaths are being "reported" doesn't it, you can easily stick a covid tag on the body and bada boom bada bing |
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last 3 weeks (during lockdown) have seen statistically significant increased mortality in england
normal levels prior to that |
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sontaran sorry but you are proving why i shouldn't be talking to you
you've had an unprecedented lockdown that has stopped and reversed an exponential spread and yet you still want to use the lower deaths as evidence the disease isn't potent? |
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its possible that's due to people requiring life saving treatment not getting that treatment
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No SE
The hospital staff are finding time to perfect their dance moves as well judging by the social media, dancing in empty wards Something doesn't smell right That's wrong wonder, I've been seeing that graph getting trotted out but yet pneumonia and flu deaths are down, car crashes are down, silly accidents are down So whoever produced that graph is contradicting that |
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Deaths are down below the average
So that graph is utter turd And why are pneumonia and flu down? |
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You can't compare the numbers in a lockdown to a normal flu season without restrictions
 totally illogical and you don't seem to grasp it. the lockdown was always going to stop the spread and flatten the graph the problem is there is no herd immunity and still massive chunks of the population with no immunity so easing up measures is a juggling act. |
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I'm not looking at graphs SS, I'm looking at public health england mortality data for all causes
for sure "non-covid19" deaths are down as lots of deaths are being redesignated as covid but there are defo signs of an upturn in deaths |
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SontaranStratagem • April 16, 2020 9:11 PM BST
Deaths are down below the average not in england they aren't |
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Let the restrictions loose like some want and see what would happen.
anyone with a logical mind would have a fair stab at answering. |
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for sure "non-covid19" deaths are down as lots of deaths are being redesignated as covid but there are defo signs of an upturn in deaths
So you admit they are doctoring the covid figure then? I think we should have shut downs for flu as well, you claim we have an immunity to that but how do you explain the high deaths previously? |
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even by their own admission they are massaging the covid figures
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how many "covid deaths" is not what I'm interested in tbh
its how many deaths TOTAL |
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If you test people for cold/flu like symptoms you'd get a high positive rate during the winter months ffs
But we don't test for it so oh well Thank you wonder, so you admit they are messing with death figures 13,000, how many are actual virus related???? |
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SE and as for the measures taken I'm not really seeing round my way, people are out and about like its a frigging tea party
But the media aren't reporting it now which is telling They can't hide the curve flattening if they showed us the real lockdown, which is everyone out and about |
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They can't bs us with curve flattening if they showed us pics of everyone out and about I should say
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deaths directly attributed to covid...v few
the phrase they are using frequently is "died after testing positive for CV"...ambiguous wording at best imo |
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Sontaran you are talking over a flu season many months.This only showed up early march and you have those deaths still with a lockdown to put the breaks on now bearing fruit.
this was growing out of control with a high transmission rate that had to be stopped. Yes the mortality rate isn't high but it would have been a weight of numbers exercise leading to an incredible number of deaths as the spread took off unchecked. I'm happy enough with the science I've seen and the modelling results to date to think these big scientific organisations would have been on the ball with this. |
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I suppose like many debates on here if you just don't believe the science it's futile us going round in circles.
Some still think the world is flat that 9 11 was all sorts of conspiracies and we never landed on the moon at all etc etc It's not worth us falling out over it. |
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2/3 aint bad SE
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SE I would say its the pneumonia that kills people not the flu
And they have admitted in Italy that it was indeed pneumonia (or "chronic pneumonia" to quote one doctor over there) that finished them off, everything we've been told points to a slightly more aggressive flu strain, we saw over 50,000 deaths 2 or 3 years ago from flu related And I agree, we have no option but to just go along with it, we have to sit and wait until they decide to release us |
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read the other day an article about italy that said that 99% of covid deaths there was 1 or more underlying health issues
tells you all you need to know |
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Even when they release the care home deaths it wont be a massive jump, probably 2,000 at most
Maybe 3 to 4,000 home deaths. So 40,000? that's still below the worst flu season 2 or 3 years ago If you wanna get technical we could double it over the previous 3 months (add in December, January and Febuary) if it hit then, but its convenient it hit when it did |
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Wonders
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How do they usually release the influenza related deaths?
Can't be like this surely? surely its all released at the end of April? |
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hancock said on average there's 10k deaths a month in care homes even in normal times
surprisingly high figure |