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By:
UBLE/REGY
When: 15 Apr 20 23:04
I hope she realises some of us need things to bet on....or we won't survive that long
By:
jucel69
When: 16 Apr 20 00:48

Apr 15, 2020 -- 11:04PM, UBLE/REGY wrote:


I hope she realises some of us need things to bet on....or we won't survive that long


I can imagine it's at the forefront of her mindLaugh

By:
GRANTCKING
When: 16 Apr 20 00:52
Scared im sick of the liga pro hockey after 3 weeks, need real sport!
By:
jucel69
When: 16 Apr 20 01:02

Apr 16, 2020 -- 12:52AM, GRANTCKING wrote:


im sick of the liga pro hockey after 3 weeks, need real sport!


Laugh You must be scraping the barrel for things to bet on!
Have you indulged in any esports yet??

By:
GRANTCKING
When: 16 Apr 20 01:05
I have!
By:
jucel69
When: 16 Apr 20 01:08
LaughLaughLaugh
By:
Des Pond
When: 16 Apr 20 01:15
She's right, unfortunately. Not sure how her colleagues will feel about her saying it so soon, but there will be lockdown (in one form or another? for at least 12 months, probably longer.
By:
jucel69
When: 16 Apr 20 01:55

Apr 16, 2020 -- 1:15AM, Des Pond wrote:


She's right, unfortunately. Not sure how her colleagues will feel about her saying it so soon, but there will be lockdown (in one form or another? for at least 12 months, probably longer.


It's impossible. The country couldn't survive.
Each day costs eye watering amounts of cash

By:
UBLE/REGY
When: 16 Apr 20 01:57
I can imagine it's at the forefront of her mind jucel69

Sad
By:
Des Pond
When: 16 Apr 20 02:05
Not full lockdown or a version as restrictive as what we have now, but there will be restrictions of some level for 12 to 18 months. I wish it wasn't the case, but it is.
By:
Richie_Burnett
When: 16 Apr 20 02:22

Apr 16, 2020 -- 1:05AM, GRANTCKING wrote:


I have!


Crazy

By:
casemoney
When: 16 Apr 20 02:34
Well Furlough cannot last longer than 3 months ,They have to do something ???
By:
casemoney
When: 16 Apr 20 02:35
As for a Vaccine , if it needs to Be injected it will a long time to vaccinate 60 plus million people Shocked
By:
mrcombustible
When: 16 Apr 20 07:40
That is if they find a vaccine. Not a certainty by any means
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 16 Apr 20 09:47
No vaccine has ever been made for a coronavirus.

There will be some form of social distancing and limits on gathering etc.
By:
differentdrum
When: 16 Apr 20 10:29
Well said Nadine Dorries.

No surprise the media are now getting really uppity having been called out. You would think they are the ones running the country.

There have been numerous questions at the daily briefing which have been bordering on the ridiculous and were never going to be answered. No more than effectively mischief making. Those on the podium have just pandered to the journalists. A mistake. Quite rightly Sturgeon doesn't waste time on massaging egos with follow up questions and neither should anyone else. 

This is about what should be a very clear, simple message, with no distractions. The big question is why they need to keep repeating it.
By:
Dotchinite
When: 16 Apr 20 12:43
She clearly doesnt mean in its current form. The media jumping on statements to scare morons has been a big feature of this problem. But if she means no premier league football in front of 50,000 people or similar gatherings than i think that could still be the case in a years time.
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 16 Apr 20 13:10
It's impossible. The country couldn't survive.
Each day costs eye watering amounts of cash


Agree with that.  Nadine isn't the sharpest tool in the box as she manages to contradict herself.  She also doesn't think journalists should ask the most important question and hold the government to account.  Wasn't impressed with her in IMAC, and think she should stick to writing books.
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 16 Apr 20 13:18
She clearly doesnt mean in its current form.

She almost certainly doesn't, but she refers to full lockdown, so she didn't think before she posted.
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 16 Apr 20 13:25
They have set up plans to relax restrictions in Germany and Austria already, but then they are countries that have clearly handled the situation much better than the UK.  Nadine's post suggests the govt doesn't have a plan.  That's clearly bollox as they obviously have plans, but her tweet suggests a passive reactive approach.  Hopefully that is just her and not symptomatic of a general malaise in government.
By:
Angoose
When: 16 Apr 20 13:27
Perhaps Nadine Dorries requires to better think through the implications of her tweets before posting them.
By:
paulypaul
When: 16 Apr 20 13:34
Once the schools go back (after half term is my guess) people will relax and that could be dangerous. Huge call for the Govt and they are damned either way.
By:
duffy
When: 16 Apr 20 13:37
No large gatherings in Germany until at least September.
By:
Just Checking
When: 16 Apr 20 13:39
Well that's the Nurnberg rally cancelled but at least they'll get Oktoberfest.
By:
Just Checking
When: 16 Apr 20 13:41
"Perhaps Nadine Dorries requires to better think through the implications of her tweets before posting them. "

Perhaps the country (and especally our media and social media) should grow the **** up and stop acting like hysterical children with learning difficulties lurching from one outraged overreaction to another, calm down, and try and understand what people are saying and why they say it and the difficulties involved in that is a huge and complex picture.
By:
Angoose
When: 16 Apr 20 13:43
Why did she post if it she didn't want a reaction ?
By:
lapsy pa
When: 16 Apr 20 14:12
The Italian foreign minister alluded to the same as ND.
By:
UBLE/REGY
When: 16 Apr 20 14:17
A lot will depend of the number of deaths

Once the Virus has peaked and starts to gradually diminish, that will effect how we react

I see we have now passed 13,000 deaths today
By:
UBLE/REGY
When: 16 Apr 20 14:24
I think she has described a worst case scenario

Everything will depend on how far the virus has diminished...that will be the pattern
By:
twizzle22
When: 16 Apr 20 14:27
Good post JC
By:
hong kong fooey
When: 16 Apr 20 20:01
They cant do right for doing wrong.Why they dont read this forum is beyond me.Some people on here have all the answers.
By:
Angoose
When: 16 Apr 20 20:06
You are right, some people on here do have all the answers, just to the wrong bleeding questions though Cry
By:
Just Checking
When: 16 Apr 20 20:13
hong kong fooey
They cant do right for doing wrong.Why they dont read this forum is beyond me.Some people on here have all the answers.
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Oh yes. What we should do is replace Boris with Piers Morgan, and all the scientific advisors and cabinet minsters with the most vocal "experts" on chit chat, twitter, and who rant on call ins on talk radio. With the benefits of 20/20 hindsight, their vast knowledge base, their time machines and bountiful amounts of testing and PPE resources from the magic storage (that the Tories are hiding from us for Eton and Hedgefund reasons), it'll all be sorted.
By:
Angoose
When: 16 Apr 20 20:21
You are very opinionated for someone who believes that opinions shouldn't be expressed.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 16 Apr 20 20:26
Calm down dears

Perhaps maybe someone who wasn’t stupid enough to catch the virus might know a little more than the Prime Minister, The Health Secretary, The Health Minister, The Chief Officer, The Scottish Secretary who all caught it and Michael Goves daughter, the Care Minister, Therese Coffey and the Housing Minister who haven’t got a scooby on how to deal with it and where is Rees Mugg?

Experts my a*rse and politicians who cannot lead and you think they know more than some on here, really?

Well I haven’t got it and I wouldn’t allow thousands of people a day to fly here but what do I know? I know how to socially distance for a start!
By:
HonkyJoe
When: 16 Apr 20 21:39
The problem here isn't so much the opinionated posters. It's the idiotically arrogant views of the European politicians who believe they're the only ones who can have the answers. Why don't they take the time to look at what many of the (supposedly less well developed) Asian countries have done? Especially since many of the Asian countries have been dealing with SARS et al, and know a little about how to tackle these things.  South Korea set a clear model a few weeks ago, and continue to lead the way today.

70-75% of those who display symptoms have a raging fever. Get everybody (businesses and individuals) to temperature test, and set up makeshift antigen testing stations across all cities so that everybody who has a high temperature can be tested for the virus. (As of the middle of March, South Korea had only tested 270K people out of a population of 51 Million - that was an impressive achievement for then, but many European countries will be able to knock out 50K tests a day by the end of April, so testing itself shouldn't be a problem as long as you're targeting those with high temperatures. There's no need to test an entire population, as the Americans are talking about.)

Once you've got somebody testing positive, you get them to write down a list of all of the people they've been in close contact for a prolonged period for the last seven days. (That'll generally be the people they live with, a few people they work alongside, and one or two close friends.) Contact those people and tell them to get themselves tested, and try and get them to give you a further list of contacts etc. It's a lot of spadework, but it's not particularly difficult in itself. We could take on thousands of new staff temporarily and have them trained up in a few days. The key is to find out the source of the virus. In South Korea, around 80% of the cases came from just a handful of people. Work your way back until you find the source - or you run out of people who are testing positive - and you can then work back out again. In that way you can identify large groups of infected people and simply lift them out of the system. Let the rest of the people go about their normal business.

Contact tracing is the key. All European countries need to be doing it, as it's the way you work out who is infected, and isolate them so that they don't have the chance to infect anyone else. Apps might possibly help with the spadework, but basically it needs lots of people ready to make lots of phone calls. Many of the Asian countries are having great results with this. Australia also did it, and possibly didn't need to bother with their shutdown. (Many are crediting Australia's good results to their partial shutdown, but if you look at the figures, they had likely already controlled it with early contact tracing before the shutdown started to have any significant effect.  At least they seem to understand the need to have a proper system in place, and are working on having a much bigger-scale contact tracing system in place before opening up fully again. That's more than we can say for the clueless European countries.)

We could have temperature testing, mass antigen testing (50K a day would probably be fine, and 100K better still), and a national contact tracing system in place by the second week of May, and we could then send everybody back to work and keep a lid on the infections. Or we could just f**k around with economically destructive shutdowns and partial shutdowns for the next twelve to eighteen months, and spend the next fifty years writing history books about why we've been relegated to being a third or fourth-rate country.
By:
Dotchinite
When: 16 Apr 20 22:10
Great post.
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 16 Apr 20 22:21
70-75% of those who display symptoms have a raging fever.

I don't know the exact figure but that's clearly incorrect.  I'd suggest from The Diamond Princess figures, that around 20-40% have a temperature above 37.5%
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 16 Apr 20 22:23
If my memory can be relied upon, of the geriatric population of the DP, just over 50% of those who tested positive didn't have a temperature.  Throw in the age of the passengers and that figure only goes down.
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