Chit Chat
Sir
FANTASTIC
The big concern is, as to who gets control of it, and how sensibly it will be spent!
Apr 15, 2020 -- 8:35PM, Coachbuster wrote:
NHS top staff will do well out of all this cost saving by the public
tbf 8,000,000 is a drop in the ocean of the total budget of 139,000,000,000
A good chunk of that 139 billion is frittered away on overpaying for absolutely everything & a bloated mgmt, admin system
Well done Captain Tom.112 amazing.
Although the cynic in me is wondering just how much the family themselves contributed?
Apr 15, 2020 -- 9:22PM, UBLE/REGY wrote:
Most lucrative zimmer frame walk since Weinstein was in court. crispWell done Captain Tom.112 amazing.
99, stop ramping !
Apr 15, 2020 -- 9:28PM, GRANTCKING wrote:
cheeky little early xmas bonus for the middle manager
wonder what happens to that actual cash?
does it just go into the NHS pot, or to a local hospital ?
Take a bow sir
They are fully funded by the taxpayer
Surely there are better causes out there
Apr 15, 2020 -- 10:31PM, The Leopard wrote:
NHS is 20% underfunded.....that is why we are locked down......because the Tories ran them down over 10 years
now that's bollocks, 139 billion is underfunded?
Look at A&E's now, 50% down in attendance
Just shows how much people have been taking the pìss over the years
Apr 15, 2020 -- 10:34PM, The Leopard wrote:
Heads will roll !
No they won't
They won't get back in power in your lifetime
Apr 15, 2020 -- 10:35PM, The Leopard wrote:
People are scared of going into the A&E in case they catch Corona… You can't blame them !
Just shows you that they were wasting the NHS time before then doesn't it!
Apr 15, 2020 -- 10:36PM, jucel69 wrote:
Apr 15, 2020 -- 9:35PM, The Leopard wrote:People are scared of going into the A&E in case they catch Corona… You can't blame them !Just shows you that they were wasting the NHS time before then doesn't it!
Why would somebody go into A&E and wait 4-8 hours if they are wasting NHS time.
Apr 15, 2020 -- 10:37PM, The Leopard wrote:
Tories were in power for the last 10 years…… They had a policy of austerity…… they have pushed the NHS to the brink.
Not that old chestnut, 139,000,000,000 is to the brink
NHS trusts going into debt due to underfunding !
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jan/18/nhs-hospitals-overspend-by-up-to-141m-a-year
Some English hospitals are overspending by as much as £141m a year due to NHS underfunding, staff shortages and demand for care, according to Whitehall’s spending watchdog.
King’s College healthcare trust, which runs two hospitals in London, ended last year £141.4m in the red – the biggest deficit among England’s 232 trusts that provide services.
Ten trusts recorded a combined deficit of £758m in 2017-18, which was 69% of the £991m loss that trusts collectively posted, the National Audit Office (NAO) said.
Another London trust, Barts Health, had the second largest deficit – £108.8m – while the United Lincolnshire hospitals trust was £81.23m in the red.
In addition, the Department of Health and Social Care had to make £3.2bn of emergency loans to trusts in acute financial distress. This was an increase of £2.8bn on the previous year.
Growing numbers of clinical commissioning groups, the bodies that hold the NHS budgets in local areas, are also spending more than they receive. Together they overspent by £213m.
After eight years of tiny annual budget increases, the health service as a whole is carrying an underlying deficit of £4.3bn, the NAO said.
The figures show that the NHS in England is grappling with budgetary problems that are unsustainable, the NAO concluded in its annual review of health service finances.
The watchdog said it welcomed the government’s pledge to increase NHS funding by £20.5bn a year by 2023-24 after years of the service struggling to meet soaring demand while receiving tiny budget uplifts since 2010.
It warns, however, that a series of risks and conspicuously widespread understaffing threaten to undermine the NHS’s ability to deliver the ambitious plans to improve care set out in the long-term plan it published last week.
The NAO’s report stated that: “Difficulties in recruiting NHS staff presents a real risk that some of the extra £20.5bn will either not be used optimally – more expensive agency staff will need to be used to deliver additional services – or will go unspent as even if commissioners have the resources to commission additional activity, health care providers may not have the staff to deliver it.”
It also warns ministers that continuing to cut spending on public health, capital projects and medical education and training, in order to give the NHS more money for frontline care, “could affect the NHS’s ability to deliver the priorities of the long-term plan”.
Richard Murray, the chief executive of the King’s Fund, said hospitals were not to blame for overspending, even by sums as large as £141m.
Murray added: “Despite some NHS trusts being in the red by more than £100m, NHS Improvement aims to clear all provider deficits within two years. Complex NHS finances are bedevilled by short-term fixes, fragile workarounds and unrealistic expectations that leave some trusts in significant deficit whilst others are in significant surplus.”
Anita Charlesworth, the director of research and economics at the Health Foundation, said: “Workforce shortages are the greatest threat to delivering high-quality care to all those who need it. But spending on training and education has fallen by 17% in real terms over the last five years.”
A government spokesperson said: “The long-term plan, backed by a significant funding increase of £20.5bn a year by 2023-24, rightly sets out that putting the NHS back onto a sustainable financial path is a key priority and is essential to allowing the NHS to deliver further improvements in care.”
Jucel69 0
I think he has gone for a lie down
Apr 15, 2020 -- 11:32PM, The Leopard wrote:
I think we should stop the free service to the whole of the world....that would be a start !
yeh this also
Apr 15, 2020 -- 10:46PM, The Leopard wrote:
You get bamboozled puzzled by large numbers…… LOL!NHS trusts going into debt due to underfunding !.https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jan/18/nhs-hospitals-overspend-by... English hospitals are overspending by as much as £141m a year due to NHS underfunding, staff shortages and demand for care, according to Whitehall’s spending watchdog.King’s College healthcare trust, which runs two hospitals in London, ended last year £141.4m in the red – the biggest deficit among England’s 232 trusts that provide services.Ten trusts recorded a combined deficit of £758m in 2017-18, which was 69% of the £991m loss that trusts collectively posted, the National Audit Office (NAO) said.Another London trust, Barts Health, had the second largest deficit – £108.8m – while the United Lincolnshire hospitals trust was £81.23m in the red.In addition, the Department of Health and Social Care had to make £3.2bn of emergency loans to trusts in acute financial distress. This was an increase of £2.8bn on the previous year.Growing numbers of clinical commissioning groups, the bodies that hold the NHS budgets in local areas, are also spending more than they receive. Together they overspent by £213m.After eight years of tiny annual budget increases, the health service as a whole is carrying an underlying deficit of £4.3bn, the NAO said.The figures show that the NHS in England is grappling with budgetary problems that are unsustainable, the NAO concluded in its annual review of health service finances.The watchdog said it welcomed the government’s pledge to increase NHS funding by £20.5bn a year by 2023-24 after years of the service struggling to meet soaring demand while receiving tiny budget uplifts since 2010.It warns, however, that a series of risks and conspicuously widespread understaffing threaten to undermine the NHS’s ability to deliver the ambitious plans to improve care set out in the long-term plan it published last week.The NAO’s report stated that: “Difficulties in recruiting NHS staff presents a real risk that some of the extra £20.5bn will either not be used optimally – more expensive agency staff will need to be used to deliver additional services – or will go unspent as even if commissioners have the resources to commission additional activity, health care providers may not have the staff to deliver it.”It also warns ministers that continuing to cut spending on public health, capital projects and medical education and training, in order to give the NHS more money for frontline care, “could affect the NHS’s ability to deliver the priorities of the long-term plan”.Richard Murray, the chief executive of the King’s Fund, said hospitals were not to blame for overspending, even by sums as large as £141m.Murray added: “Despite some NHS trusts being in the red by more than £100m, NHS Improvement aims to clear all provider deficits within two years. Complex NHS finances are bedevilled by short-term fixes, fragile workarounds and unrealistic expectations that leave some trusts in significant deficit whilst others are in significant surplus.”Anita Charlesworth, the director of research and economics at the Health Foundation, said: “Workforce shortages are the greatest threat to delivering high-quality care to all those who need it. But spending on training and education has fallen by 17% in real terms over the last five years.”A government spokesperson said: “The long-term plan, backed by a significant funding increase of £20.5bn a year by 2023-24, rightly sets out that putting the NHS back onto a sustainable financial path is a key priority and is essential to allowing the NHS to deliver further improvements in care.”
As soon as I saw you were quoting the Retardian I stopped reading it
You do realise Blair's PFI (that has now been written off by the Tories) caused a lot of problems for hospitals
No, I didn't go for a lie down, just been out to do 15k in the garden
Got to keep lungs going!!
Apr 15, 2020 -- 11:32PM, The Leopard wrote:
I think we should stop the free service to the whole of the world....that would be a start !
This I will agree on.
If I don't have insurance where I live I'm left to die.
I know a bloke who died in Thailand and because he had an outstanding bill they left him in the temple to rot in a box.
All that was left of him was bones after a few months, they wouldn't release the body for a funeral!
15K ? ......more like a line of K !
The study, published in the journal Policy and Politics, details how NHS yearly expenditure on management consultants almost doubled from £313 million in 2010 to £640 million in 2014.
Andrew Sturdy, professor in management at the University of Bristol, said: "Our research has clearly shown that management consultants are not only failing to improve efficiency in the NHS but, in most cases, making the situation worse.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/21/hospitals-waste-money-hiring-management-consultants/
Just hope it helps people directly now, not into the NHS black hole
a massive well done to him though.a true example to us all.
But he smashed his target after more than 640,000 people made donations to his fundraising page.
As he finished the challenge, he said: "I feel fine, I hope you're all feeling fine too."
The NHS isn't a charity. We are all supposed to be paying for it so that when the time comes when we or are loved ones need it then it's available. Not so we can allow Amazon et al to pay 0.000001 tax or Prince Andrew can have a chauffeur take him to the local swimming pool.
The best this motley crew can do is come up with a badge ffs.
There really, really needs to be a proper inquest once this is done because it's been an utter disgrace.
Apr 16, 2020 -- 11:59AM, tictacman1 wrote:
A 99-year-old war veteran has walked 100 laps of his garden to raise more than £12m for the NHS.But he smashed his target after more than 640,000 people made donations to his fundraising page.As he finished the challenge, he said: "I feel fine, I hope you're all feeling fine too."
Send him around again for another £12m
....light-weight !
give the money to the nurses and cleaners might be £300 each
Now that is a spiffing idea mad dog
Apr 16, 2020 -- 3:36PM, nineteen points wrote:
if he makes it to 20mill the cowardly buffoon will be around to shake his hand!
Corbyn should be self isolating due to his age, I believe.
Keep it going Captain Tom.
Apr 18, 2020 -- 12:52AM, The Leopard wrote:
Just Giving are taking a £2m cut.....Nick Ferrari had a big go at them this morning
quelle surprise, I'm sure there will be a few more fingers in that pie too
i also salute his internet team and all those that have donated to
his cause.
brilliant, brilliant stuff.
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suns UV rays kills the virus stone dead
Got to open a hospital today
Wonder what treat he get for his 100 th birthday?
C'mon Morgan, shame the ****s.
The South Midlands Mail Centre has dealt with 25,000 cards, but that number could rise ahead of Capt Tom's birthday on 30 April.
Centre manager Stephen James said: "None of the team have ever known one person receive so much mail."
Going by that house he lives in
Need all fire wood he can get hold of
has a smash hit and is no 1
in TOTP
Wunder if Pans Peolple could come out to
seranade him
https://www.inyourarea.co.uk/news/liverpool-baker-creates-bust-of-colonel-tom-moore-to-celebrate-100th-birthday/
