struggling for a sacraficial lamb

Larry it is then.

No, they've stuck up Patel

She can spank me anytime

out of the bunker

She stumbled over the testing figures. Anyone catch it?

I know how to rewind but still couldn't make it out

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Thanks

Burberry

They must be saving the sacrificial lambs for Ramadan.

A new channel 4 plonker

Usual Filth from four ,All I can say is thank fook steptoe and Abbott are not at the helm ..

this Korean torture is getting distinctly boring & repetitive

wraparound bookcase, must be clever

1.3 million people in the NHS. 21 reported deaths covid 19 positive.

9875 reported deaths of people covid 19 positive.

Any passing away from the disease is a tragedy but the NHS worker figure is disproportionately lower than the nation as a whole. It's a disgrace that media are making out that all of the NHS deaths are down to lack of PPE. It's possible of course but NHS workers are no more immune than anyone else, and as they are working the inherent risk is higher.

i'm still waiting for some brave journo to ask how medical staff have actually caught the virus? Presuming they are all PPE protected; the cleanliness of their hands is not an issue either

theres been 200 nhs candidates for possible death on ch 4 this week crtamming into small rooms holding hands breaking every social distancing rules in the book all for the x factor glory of getting a wave,thumbs up,on live tbv,they should be ashamed of themselves, I wouldn't waste a 10p paper hat on any of them,never mind a 3 grand hamza suit

Apr 11, 2020 -- 11:43AM, Baphornet wrote:

i'm still waiting for some brave journo to ask how medical staff have actually caught the virus? Presuming they are all PPE protected; the cleanliness of their hands is not an issue either

It can't be proven retrospectively. If they were commuting the 2 metre rule is nearly impossible to maintain. They could be sharing a household with someone who had the virus with little or no symptoms. Any investigation will likely concentrate on the vulnerability/risk assessment and if they had the PPE issued. For example I believe one of those workers was a part time radiographer. Who wouldn't have had the same vulnerability to exposure as a full time ICU nurse.

When Patel was asked if she would apologise to NHS staff for the failings that are leading to the shortage of PPE, her response was to say that she is "sorry that people feel that there have been failings". Is that good enough? Is she suggesting that there have not been failings, and that NHS are just perceiving it that way?

Apr 11, 2020 -- 11:50AM, 1st time poster wrote:

theres been 200 nhs candidates for possible death on ch 4 this week crtamming into small rooms holding hands breaking every social distancing rules in the book all for the x factor glory of getting a wave,thumbs up,on live tbv,they should be ashamed of themselves, I wouldn't waste a 10p paper hat on any of them,never mind a 3 grand hamza suit

Plus police and fire service people doing the clap for carers thing, mingling with each other.

How dare you try and apply logic to the numbers cider.

As a counter to it though could it be that the deaths we are seeing now are from people who got infected 3 or more weeks ago when numbers in hospitals were much lower. Localised PPE shortages now could result in a surge of NHS deaths later down the line as they are being exposed to it now whilst most people are at home on the sofa?

The army and many others are working night and day to source and distribute PPE but tragically it could still get hit when surges occur locally in some cases.

How dare I apply logic It's statistically impossible for one section of 1.4 million people to avoid death from the virus. And as I alluded to they have inherent risk as they are not able to stay at home.

All sections of society are going to lose people to the virus. I'm calling out the disgraceful way it is being reported.

Cider: my thoughts are that they have caught it elsewhere. Which somehow deflates the issue. I still think the question should be asked though

It's an undoubted challenge IT. It's one everyone is aware of, nobody is not issuing PPE as a policy decision. One of the toads asked Patel can she give a date when everyone will have the PPE they want. I'm unable to put into words the contempt that question deserves, one from an individual who ought to have a modicum of intelligence.

Of course its a relevant question particularly when front line staff are dying
If Gov't give honest answers it would help instead of attempting to obfuscate with every reply  .. if they haven't got enough equipment say so and why
Good on the hacks in attempting to get an intelligible response

The requirements are changing on a daily basis so it's literally impossible to answer. It's equally impossible to prevent randoms taking to twitter saying their colleagues aren't getting PPE.

I can't see Patel getting away with the pathetic "sorry you feel that way" response. And as for Hancock, suggesting that PPE equipment will only run out if NHS staff on the frontline don't use it properly. That is contemptible. Why can't they take responsibility and admit their failings, intsead of these ptronising and insulting comments?

The channel 4 stooge used a proxy, stating NHS workers are saying that widespread deaths are being caused by lack of PPE, does she want to apologise to them. Clearly she should apologise for something that is incorrect, or at least there is no evidence for.

*not (important!)

If he'd have said does the government apologise to anyone who has had to work without the required PPE, that would have been a fair request imo and she should have. But the yellow belly used a proxy and ramped it up seeking a gotcha.

So, is it not true that NHS staff are reporting shortages of PPE equipment? Is that a myth?

The stooge was using a proxy to say it was causing widespread deaths.

the fact is cider is attempting to articulate a response favourable to fatty patel ... she should have apologised  .. NHS staff have appeared on telly saying that PPE equipment is in horribly short supply ... that is a fact

deaths are an inevitable consequence of the absence of respiratory equipment

From what I've seen NHS staff have appeared on telly from their home saying  front line colleagues are stating they aren't getting the PPE they want. I've not yet seen one who is themselves saying they aren't getting the required PPE. I'm not watching all shows all of the time of course.

The BMA are saying that supplies of PPE are at "dangerously low levels" in some parts of the country, notably London and Yorkshire.

Most of these briefing questions are aimed at trapping the government, not seek out helpful information.

I take your point, but at least 19 NHS doctors or nurses have died from exposure to the virus. That is a fact, and unfortunately there will be a lot more. One thing in Patels' favour is that no one can accuse her of not social distancing. The Home Secretary has been conspicuous by her absence these last 3 weeks.

It's at least 21 now sadly, 2 more reported. I'm not trying to take away from that tragedy. There's no direct link to lack of PPE though, as of now anyway.

Apparently Robert Jenrick is back on tomorrow from his home in Southwell.. erm  Herefordshire.. erm Newark...

Working on a Sunday, unlike all the key worker primary reporters who are so key it appears they have the Easter weekend off.

Jenrick, another of the "do as I say, not as I do" school of thought.

Robert is married to Michal, and together they have three young daughters. They live in Southwell near Newark, and in London.

Apr 11, 2020 -- 1:10PM, eyeball wrote:

Robert is married to Michal, and together they have three young daughters. They live in Southwell near Newark, and in London.

Their family home is in Herefordshire though.

Obviously

So he should have gone to Souhwell when his wife and three young children are in Herefordshire

Erm, his wife works in London.

Erm, they are in Herefordshire currently and went there before any travel restrictions.

Hmm, his wife works in London and all their children attend school there.

He sent his wife and children to their 2nd , 3rd , 4th home whatever it is to get them out of London . He has not been commuting back and forth to parliament ever day . He stated that the house in Herefordshire was his "family home ". According to his website , it is not . His wife works in London . His children school in London . He is in a position of power . An important member of government . He lied.....

All that counts (obviously) is where his family is/was once the lock down was in place. No matter how many properties that they have. The alternative is the whole family traveled for no good reason.

And where were they ?

So you guessed ?

I don't care when or where they went . The fact is he lied . What for ? You'd think they would know better with their law degrees ?

All of that is fine Cider, so why the need to lie about it being his family home ?

Anyway, you make a valid point regarding the line of some of the questioning employed at these daily briefings.

One example of this was a question directed towards Jenny Harries.
It turned out to be the final question and I can't recall who asked it, but it came in the aftermath of the Calderwood drama.

The journo asked a valid question then tacked on a request regarding whether Harries had visited a second home since the start of the lockdown.
Hancock answered the first part and then shut down the briefing in the usual manner.

It was exactly the right thing to do, the journo having no business to go on a fishing trip with Harries.

He stated they went to Herefordshire before the travel restrictions. I stated it upthread, as I'm not there I can only go off what he has confirmed. Granted it's not a luxury most of us will enjoy, I assume they have London boltholes for work there, a constituency home and a family home.

The London home is the family home

What are you suggesting, his whole family should have commuted to London from Herefordshire during the lock down instead of him alone commuting to Herefordshire. He is the key worker.

Yes that was highly embarrassing with Harries, Angoose. I don't think we've seen her publicly since. She seems to be such a genuinely kind hearted person.

I saw her on FYI with the kids and she was great with them.

Not at all, perfectly reasonable for him to join his wife and kids in the Herefordshire home.

However, there is significant evidence that shows the London home is his family home.

Both him and his wife work in London, his kids go to school in London, neighbours have stated that he is never sighted in Herefordshire and that the builders have been there for extended periods over the course of the last year.

His website makes no mention of it as he doesn't wish the good folks of Newark to be reminded of it, it was brought up and used against him in election campaigns.

So, simply clarify that the wife and kids had travelled there before the shutdown was put in place and that he had gone to join them at the earliest opportunity. Don't claim it is the family home when the evidence shows that it is not.

Jenrick owns two, £2m homes in London, one of which is a £2.5m townhouse less than a mile from the Houses of Parliament and also purchased Eye Manor, a Grade I listed building in Herefordshire for £1.1 million in 2009.

This according to his wikipedia page says he owns two £2million London homes?

I did read that he was renovating it, maybe the website was just out of date it happens. It's the old storm in a teacup. How about these reporters travelling around the country to film some joggers in a random park and empty beaches. They are more appropriate targets.

So now we have 2 houses in London where he and his wife work and the kids attend school, a rented house in Newar and another house in Herefordshire which he claims is the family home but according to newspaper reports, neighbours say that claim is "codswallop". Oh and he travels another forty miles or so to his parents house.

All of that is irrelevant, his family was in Hereforshire before the lock down measures were implemented. Which property he considers the family home only he would know, but which property they were in at the start of the lock down is what matters in regard to following the rules (as unnecessary travel is ruled out)

I have no problem with the man being rich . No problem with him owning several homes . No problem with him protecting his family . The problem I have is him lying about his "family home" . It's like he thought it would be frowned on so he told a small lie . i'd rather he said that he was staying in his country residence or holiday home . Maybe he thought that wouldn't go down too well. ?.....silly boy

So you can determine what he can and can't consider is his family home? It's such a non story.

He can consider whatever he wants, but the home that him, his wife, and his kids go home to after work and school each day is what the rest of us consider a family home

I only own one property Funnily enough I still consider my Mum's home the family home, but I don't live there.

I consider that I am the best footballer and the best tennis player in the world.
No bugger else does though

I guess it's more of an emotional thing than the permanent residence. Just semantics really.

That's one way to describe it, certainly one that a lawyer might use.

All of this can be made to go away and Jenrick can come out of it smelling of roses.
All he has to do is to give over all of his excess properties to NHS for the remainder of the pandemic.

Over to you Robert

Apr 11, 2020 -- 2:29PM, Angoose wrote:

All of this can be made to go away and Jenrick can come out of it smelling of roses.All he has to do is to give over all of his excess properties to NHS for the remainder of the pandemic.Over to you Robert

Or give both his houses in London over to the homeless during this crisis?

After all, neither are the "family home". Just spare property really.

And as the Housing Minister, he understands and appreciates the plight of the homeless.

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So, is it not true that NHS staff are reporting shortages of PPE equipment? Is that a myth?

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yes there are some. 1,500,000 people work for the NHS and getting everyone PPE is a big logistical job as it is in every country in the world. Unless you have a better distribution system to offer why not just some respect to people in the army, NHS and government who are trying the best they can instead of moaning from your sofa?

As Housing Minister he'll also know they can't afford a £2m house in London.

Which is why they’ll really appreciate such a kind gesture from a caring, sharing, Tory.

why not just some respect to people in the army, NHS and government who are trying the best they can instead of moaning from your sofa?

Who says I don't respect them? Your comments do not make sense. It is the lying politicians that I don't respect.

It’s the old deflection technique.

Honestly, the absolute cr@p that I read on this forum every day is truly depressing. A few years ago I stopped reading or posting on this forum because of trolls and idiots looking for an argument. It was only lockdown boredom that drove me to start using it again. Barely 3 weeks later, I'm running into the same disingenuous shyte that drove me away in the first place. I think it's time to self-isolate from this nuthouse of a forum once again. Clearly I've not missed much this last few years.

That's not aimed at Angoose.

I find it depressing to read the complaints day after day about how badly our government and public service workers are doing during this unprecedented crisis. No country in the world is coping well.

Sorry if I came across angry I just think it easier to complain from the sidelines than try and solve these issues. I firmly believe everyone in the government, civil service, army and NHS are doing their best working night and day on this.

Which is why they’ll really appreciate such a kind gesture from a caring, sharing, Tory.

it's the old lefty fekwit gruniad politicising any subject remark

It’s that old devil called love again