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for todays press conference
doris  out of action
gove out of action
jenrick  in the bunker
hancock would imagine he,s in bunker today after today,s row

looks like its the wooden raab again, last man standingshah if there desperate after a few car crashes in this format

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By:
Angoose
When: 11 Apr 20 15:32
Larry it is then.
By:
Angoose
When: 11 Apr 20 15:53
No, they've stuck up Patel Laugh
By:
Foinavon
When: 11 Apr 20 15:57
She can spank me anytime Love
By:
1st time poster
When: 11 Apr 20 16:10
out of the bunker
By:
Fire-and-Ice
When: 11 Apr 20 16:22
She stumbled over the testing figures. Anyone catch it?
By:
Fire-and-Ice
When: 11 Apr 20 16:23
I know how to rewind but still couldn't make it out
By:
Cider
When: 11 Apr 20 16:25
334974
By:
Cider
When: 11 Apr 20 16:28
.https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1248965290496536578
By:
Fire-and-Ice
When: 11 Apr 20 16:31
Thanks
By:
Cider
When: 11 Apr 20 16:42
Burberry Love
By:
flushgordon1
When: 11 Apr 20 16:46
They must be saving the sacrificial lambs for Ramadan.
By:
Cider
When: 11 Apr 20 16:48
A new channel 4 plonker
By:
casemoney
When: 11 Apr 20 16:51
Usual Filth from four ,All I can say is thank fook steptoe and Abbott are not at the helm ..
By:
Baphornet
When: 11 Apr 20 16:53
this Korean torture is getting distinctly boring & repetitive
By:
Cider
When: 11 Apr 20 16:57
wraparound bookcase, must be clever Cool
By:
Cider
When: 11 Apr 20 17:37
1.3 million people in the NHS. 21 reported deaths covid 19 positive.

9875 reported deaths of people covid 19 positive.

Any passing away from the disease is a tragedy but the NHS worker figure is disproportionately lower than the nation as a whole. It's a disgrace that media are making out that all of the NHS deaths are down to lack of PPE. It's possible of course but NHS workers are no more immune than anyone else, and as they are working the inherent risk is higher.
By:
Baphornet
When: 11 Apr 20 17:43
i'm still waiting for some brave journo to ask how medical staff have actually caught the virus? Presuming they are all PPE protected; the cleanliness of their hands is not an issue either
By:
1st time poster
When: 11 Apr 20 17:50
theres been 200 nhs candidates for possible death on ch 4 this week crtamming into small rooms holding hands breaking every social distancing rules in the book all for the x factor glory of getting a wave,thumbs up,on live tbv,they should be ashamed of themselves, I wouldn't waste a 10p paper hat on any of them,never mind a 3 grand hamza suit
By:
Cider
When: 11 Apr 20 17:52

Apr 11, 2020 -- 5:43PM, Baphornet wrote:


i'm still waiting for some brave journo to ask how medical staff have actually caught the virus? Presuming they are all PPE protected; the cleanliness of their hands is not an issue either


It can't be proven retrospectively. If they were commuting the 2 metre rule is nearly impossible to maintain. They could be sharing a household with someone who had the virus with little or no symptoms. Any investigation will likely concentrate on the vulnerability/risk assessment and if they had the PPE issued. For example I believe one of those workers was a part time radiographer. Who wouldn't have had the same vulnerability to exposure as a full time ICU nurse.

By:
Des Pond
When: 11 Apr 20 17:54
When Patel was asked if she would apologise to NHS staff for the failings that are leading to the shortage of PPE, her response was to say that she is "sorry that people feel that there have been failings". Is that good enough? Is she suggesting that there have not been failings, and that NHS are just perceiving it that way?
By:
Cider
When: 11 Apr 20 17:55

Apr 11, 2020 -- 5:50PM, 1st time poster wrote:


theres been 200 nhs candidates for possible death on ch 4 this week crtamming into small rooms holding hands breaking every social distancing rules in the book all for the x factor glory of getting a wave,thumbs up,on live tbv,they should be ashamed of themselves, I wouldn't waste a 10p paper hat on any of them,never mind a 3 grand hamza suit


Plus police and fire service people doing the clap for carers thing, mingling with each other.

By:
InsiderTrader
When: 11 Apr 20 17:55
How dare you try and apply logic to the numbers cider.

As a counter to it though could it be that the deaths we are seeing now are from people who got infected 3 or more weeks ago when numbers in hospitals were much lower. Localised PPE shortages now could result in a surge of NHS deaths later down the line as they are being exposed to it now whilst most people are at home on the sofa?

The army and many others are working night and day to source and distribute PPE but tragically it could still get hit when surges occur locally in some cases.
By:
Cider
When: 11 Apr 20 17:57
How dare I apply logic Cry It's statistically impossible for one section of 1.4 million people to avoid death from the virus. And as I alluded to they have inherent risk as they are not able to stay at home.
By:
Cider
When: 11 Apr 20 17:59
All sections of society are going to lose people to the virus. I'm calling out the disgraceful way it is being reported.
By:
Baphornet
When: 11 Apr 20 17:59
Cider: my thoughts are that they have caught it elsewhere. Which somehow deflates the issue. I still think the question should be asked though
By:
Cider
When: 11 Apr 20 18:07
It's an undoubted challenge IT. It's one everyone is aware of, nobody is not issuing PPE as a policy decision. One of the toads asked Patel can she give a date when everyone will have the PPE they want. I'm unable to put into words the contempt that question deserves, one from an individual who ought to have a modicum of intelligence.
By:
geordie1956
When: 11 Apr 20 18:16
Of course its a relevant question particularly when front line staff are dying
If Gov't give honest answers it would help instead of attempting to obfuscate with every reply  .. if they haven't got enough equipment say so and why
Good on the hacks in attempting to get an intelligible response
By:
Cider
When: 11 Apr 20 18:20
The requirements are changing on a daily basis so it's literally impossible to answer. It's equally impossible to prevent randoms taking to twitter saying their colleagues aren't getting PPE.
By:
Des Pond
When: 11 Apr 20 18:22
I can't see Patel getting away with the pathetic "sorry you feel that way" response. And as for Hancock, suggesting that PPE equipment will only run out if NHS staff on the frontline don't use it properly. That is contemptible. Why can't they take responsibility and admit their failings, intsead of these ptronising and insulting comments?
By:
Cider
When: 11 Apr 20 18:25
The channel 4 stooge used a proxy, stating NHS workers are saying that widespread deaths are being caused by lack of PPE, does she want to apologise to them. Clearly she should apologise for something that is incorrect, or at least there is no evidence for.
By:
Cider
When: 11 Apr 20 18:26
*not (important!)
By:
Cider
When: 11 Apr 20 18:31
If he'd have said does the government apologise to anyone who has had to work without the required PPE, that would have been a fair request imo and she should have. But the yellow belly used a proxy and ramped it up seeking a gotcha.
By:
Des Pond
When: 11 Apr 20 18:35
So, is it not true that NHS staff are reporting shortages of PPE equipment? Is that a myth?
By:
Cider
When: 11 Apr 20 18:40
The stooge was using a proxy to say it was causing widespread deaths.
By:
geordie1956
When: 11 Apr 20 18:41
the fact is cider is attempting to articulate a response favourable to fatty patel ... she should have apologised  .. NHS staff have appeared on telly saying that PPE equipment is in horribly short supply ... that is a fact
By:
geordie1956
When: 11 Apr 20 18:43
deaths are an inevitable consequence of the absence of respiratory equipment
By:
Cider
When: 11 Apr 20 18:44
From what I've seen NHS staff have appeared on telly from their home saying  front line colleagues are stating they aren't getting the PPE they want. I've not yet seen one who is themselves saying they aren't getting the required PPE. I'm not watching all shows all of the time of course.
By:
Des Pond
When: 11 Apr 20 18:48
The BMA are saying that supplies of PPE are at "dangerously low levels" in some parts of the country, notably London and Yorkshire.
By:
Cider
When: 11 Apr 20 18:49
Most of these briefing questions are aimed at trapping the government, not seek out helpful information.
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