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By:
maleuk01.
When: 12 Apr 20 18:16
2400 &above Senior Master
    2200 - 2399 Master
    2000 - 2199 Expert
    1800 - 1999 Class A
    1600 - 1799 Class B
    1400 - 1599 Class C
    1200 - 1399 Class D
    1000 - 1199 Class E

In general, 1200 is considered a bright beginner. A regular competitive chess player is rated at 1750.

Rating system model

Elo's central assumption was that the chess performance of each player in each game is a normally distributed random variable. Although a player might perform significantly better or worse from one game to the next, Elo assumed that the mean value of the performances of any given player changes only slowly over time. Elo thought of a player's true skill as the mean of that player's performance random variable.

A further assumption is necessary, because chess performance in the above sense is still not measurable. One cannot look at a sequence of moves and say, "That performance is 2039." Performance can only be inferred from wins, draws and losses. Therefore, if a player wins a game, he is assumed to have performed at a higher level than his opponent for that game. Conversely if he loses, he is assumed to have performed at a lower level. If the game is a draw, the two players are assumed to have performed at nearly the same level.
By:
TheNorfolkMafia
When: 12 Apr 20 18:21
I've just got beat on Computer Level 2, again!

Cry

So, Won 1, Lost 4!
By:
maleuk01.
When: 12 Apr 20 18:25
the app i use chess time, and there is 7200+ in Gb and 3.1m worldwide.

1640 gets you in the top 2,000 worldwide. Just over 2000 rating would get you in the top 100.

1630 gets you in top 100 in uk.

There are obviously a few at the topof leaderboard who use computer programmes as they have a higher rating than Carlsson, so scrap those and even slightly higher.

They have leaderboards, so the facts are there Charlie.

1905 would get you to top board in most uk clubs (first team), there will be a few players 200and slightly over.

But at 2,200 theywould be playing national and international tournies.

A grandmaster is 2400 remeber.
By:
Charlie
When: 12 Apr 20 18:35
malekln01
We must be talking at cross purposes. I don't know the app you're using so if that's what they say then that's what they say.

In the rest of the world their figures would be meaningless.
By:
Charlie
When: 12 Apr 20 18:39
I've just had a look on my pc but couldn't play a game. I honestly don't believe they are a reputable source of chess grading.
By:
maleuk01.
When: 12 Apr 20 18:40
it is i just logged on andlooked at leaderboard and ratings.

0-1000 (0-3 months of experience) The realm of the beginning chess player. At this stage the player has just learned the game, they constantly leave pieces en prise, and make many blunders. Player has no tactical, endgame, or positional knowledge. Player does not know about chess strategy and has no evaluation or analysis skills.

1000-1100 (3-6 months of experience) Beginning player now has several games under their belt. They have very basic tactical knowledge and they continue to make blunders and to leave pieces en prise. Plays without a plan.

1100-1200 (1-2 years of experience) Beginning player continues to make many blunders. At this level they have learned basic tactics. Occasionally leaves pieces en prise, but this is not a common occurrence. Sometimes plays with a plan, but the plan is usually incorrect. At this point the player sees many offensive tactics but they miss most defensive tactics.

1200-1300 (2-3 years of experience) Player begins to understand that chess is a two player game, and begins to ask what the opponent’s last move is threatening. Blunders still occur but less frequently. One major reason for their rating increase, is that player stops leaving pieces en prise. Player has intermediate tactical skills but still misses many defensive tactical shots. Starts to build an opening repertoire, which gets them into the middlegame with a better position. Very limited endgame and positional skills. Starts making better plans due to limited endgame and positional knowledge.

1300-1400 (3-4 years of experience) Advanced beginner. Players at this level have reached an intermediate thought process. player Looks for Checks, Captures and threats after opponents moves. Does not leave pieces en prise. Very good with offensive tactics and improving on the defensive tactics side, but still misses some. Still building opening repertoire. Starts learning basic endgame and middlegame strategy, but knowledge is still very basic. This level is an important milestone for the beginning chess player because they are on the verge of being an intermediate player.

1400-1500 (5-6 years of experience) Intermediate level player. Good thought process, does not leave pieces en prise. Advanced tactically, both on offense and defense (might occasionally miss a defensive tactic). Has an opening repertoire and plays pet openings. Has intermediate endgame, positional and analysis skills. One of the reasons for low rating is players poor positional evaluation abilities. Will probably need a chess coach to improve further.

1500-1700 (6-7 years of experience) Advanced intermediate player. Advanced tactical skills and thought process. Player has Intermediate endgame and positional skills at this stage. Intermediate positional evaluation and analysis skills. Should have a chess trainer, and play against strong opposition in order to improve as well as a strong focus on the endgame, positional and evaluation skills.

1700-1900 (7-8 years of experience) Near expert level player. Advanced tactical skills and thought process. Very strong endgame and positional skills. Intermediate evaluation skills. Very good analyst. Player needs to continue focusing on evaluation and analysis skills. Opening theory knowledge becomes an important component for further improvement. Player has a good database of structures that that can help them when they reach unfamiliar positions in OTB play. Player should reach expert level in approximately 2 more years, which falls in line with expert theory which claims that it takes 10 years to become an expert in any field.
By:
Charlie
When: 12 Apr 20 18:44
maleuk01
Not disputing you are correctly quoting what they say. I am disputing that they are not in alignment with the rest of the chess world.
By:
maleuk01.
When: 12 Apr 20 18:46
Its called ELO system Charlie, used Worldwide to grade players.

Not sure what system you use.

Above 1500 on a chess website would be easily inside top 10%
By:
maleuk01.
When: 12 Apr 20 18:50
yes they are,

on a free website you get casual players, so a lot of under 1200.

It does show though at 1900 you are a serious good player.

The article above even states to get above 1500 the vast majority of players would need a chess coach.

Try downloading the site, chesstime, its free.
By:
Charlie
When: 12 Apr 20 18:53
maleuk01
I played club and tournament chess for about 40 years until I gave up over a rules dispute (smoking). I know ECF grades and ELO grades and how to convert between the two. I played board 1 for my local club and often in top three for county. The grades you mention don't make sense to me.
By:
Sica Dan
When: 12 Apr 20 18:56
1905 is still a strong  player for most clubs and i suspect would ensure a top 4 board
excluding the elite clubs.
By:
maleuk01.
When: 12 Apr 20 18:57
i have a friend got me to download the site, he has played 2300 games on there and is rated 1394, though is normally around 1400-1500 and he tries so hard to get to over 1500 and stay there.

my current rating is 1640, its 92nd out of 7248 GB and 1935 out of 3.1m.

It isnt out of kilt with world chess as it uses the same grading system.

Main thing is to play learn while we all have time on our hands lol
By:
Charlie
When: 12 Apr 20 18:57
No.
By:
Charlie
When: 12 Apr 20 18:57
That was to Sica Dan.
By:
Charlie
When: 12 Apr 20 19:08
I was an ok player in the real world where you sat down, shook hands, wished each other good luck (but didn't really mean it) and got on with it. I then proceeded to drink as many beers as could in the time control. It was a night out for a club match or a weekend away for a tourney. A bit of fun but I did take it seriously at times.

I was generally around the 2000-2200 mark. Occasionally beat a few gms, ims, etc but had a seriously negative score against them - as it should be being an amateur against professionals. If I played a 1900 player I'd consider it a gimme but probably would lose because I'd be pissed.
By:
maleuk01.
When: 12 Apr 20 19:09
well google it, they are the grades.

If at a chess club and had a rating of 2000+ you would be playing regional and national competitions, 2200 is an international master and obv playing international tournies.

Carlson the best ever player is rated about 2875, the highest rating ever achieved i think.
By:
Charlie
When: 12 Apr 20 19:15
maleuk01
I refuse to get involved in this. I've told you the truth. I was playing regional but not national competitions. If you play in Open tournaments anyone can turn up and there were always GMs that did. I played Nigel Short (I think he was 16) in the last round of a competition to decide the winner. It wasn't me.
By:
politicspunter
When: 12 Apr 20 19:16
The thing that eventually led to me giving up playing over the board was my nemesis, the clock. When folks are younger and sharper, they can churn out quite a lot of pretty decent moves fairly quickly. As they get older, well, it's just not so easy. Many clubs I played in years ago were "works" social clubs and you could play to a very reasonable time control (and have a few pints as I did then) knowing you weren't going to get chucked out at ten pm. As the manufacturing sector fell, a lot of these clubs disappeared, moving instead to schools and community centres where you had to be out sharpish and consequently the rate of play became much faster. I persevered for a while but really struggled, often losing on time in superior positions.
By:
Sica Dan
When: 12 Apr 20 19:18
Charlie, 1905 would have placed you on board 5 for Glasgow's Div 1 champions.Top 4 or even 3
for the rest.The champions have an IM on board 1
By:
maleuk01.
When: 12 Apr 20 19:20
Charlie i smell b sh1t.

2200 is an internatonal master, and not one who goes for a few beers and a laugh player.

Beating Grandmaster's is serious chess, and again to get to that level you would be taking chess extremley serious and lots of analysis of various games, even to get to sit opposite them.
By:
Charlie
When: 12 Apr 20 19:20
pp
I think all chess players can relate to that, somehow time goes faster.

The master of time-trouble is Alexander Grischuk. If he could manage it he could be world champ.
By:
Charlie
When: 12 Apr 20 19:21

Apr 12, 2020 -- 1:20PM, maleuk01. wrote:


Charlie i smell b sh1t.2200 is an internatonal master, and not one who goes for a few beers and a laugh player.Beating Grandmaster's is serious chess, and again to get to that level you would be taking chess extremley serious and lots of analysis of various games, even to get to sit opposite them.


Ok, how do I prove it?

By:
politicspunter
When: 12 Apr 20 19:26

Apr 12, 2020 -- 1:20PM, maleuk01. wrote:


Charlie i smell b sh1t.2200 is an internatonal master, and not one who goes for a few beers and a laugh player.Beating Grandmaster's is serious chess, and again to get to that level you would be taking chess extremley serious and lots of analysis of various games, even to get to sit opposite them.


To be fair I think (in days gone by) 2400 and up was IM and 2500 and up was GM.

By:
Charlie
When: 12 Apr 20 19:27
I'll tell you my opening repertoire if you ask.
By:
politicspunter
When: 12 Apr 20 19:28
Btw, I have seen some seriously decent 2000+ club players, pished out of their face, dismantling opponents at weekend tournaments.
By:
Charlie
When: 12 Apr 20 19:28
May have been me!
By:
maleuk01.
When: 12 Apr 20 19:30
i wouldnt know if regraded, but 2400 is grandmaster and 2200 international master.

As i say on a largish chess website i use 1640 is inside the top 2,000 out of 3.1m players, which is still a good standard.

but is garbage for experts.
By:
Charlie
When: 12 Apr 20 19:32
There is only one person who knows me in the flesh who can substantiate or not not about my chess and that is Foinavon.
By:
maleuk01.
When: 12 Apr 20 19:33
yes please as i dont know traditional openings as i dont study it.

Started playing white with Pawn to C4 as it seems to throw a few players rather than the q or k pawn
By:
politicspunter
When: 12 Apr 20 19:37
I remember going regularly to the biggest weekend congress at Blackpool. One of my pals had 3/3 in the second top section by the Saturday night. Anyway, he and another mate got pished and finished up in a lap dancing club till six in the morning , came back to the b and b, had roughly an hours sleep, woke up looking like casper the friendly ghost, couldn't eat breakfast but managed to down two cans of lager on the way to the venue in the Winter gardens, then two more during the game, crushing his opponent in about twenty moves before going back to the pub, topping up plenty then easily beating his final opponent, picking up about a grand for first place.
By:
Charlie
When: 12 Apr 20 19:37
moisokuk01
How do I say this delicately, but if you're at that stage then you're not very good. Good is relative though.

Don't take the piss but I am willing to help anyone with their chess given their standard I can help.
By:
Charlie
When: 12 Apr 20 19:39

Apr 12, 2020 -- 1:37PM, politicspunter wrote:


I remember going regularly to the biggest weekend congress at Blackpool. One of my pals had 3/3 in the second top section by the Saturday night. Anyway, he and another mate got pished and finished up in a lap dancing club till six in the morning , came back to the b and b, had roughly an hours sleep, woke up looking like casper the friendly ghost, couldn't eat breakfast but managed to down two cans of lager on the way to the venue in the Winter gardens, then two more during the game, crushing his opponent in about twenty moves before going back to the pub, topping up plenty then easily beating his final opponent, picking up about a grand for first place.


Had a very similar experience apart from winning! It was a horrible place to play as was far too hot.

By:
macarony
When: 12 Apr 20 19:41
I used to play at school at dinner time break was just starting ti get the gist when I sneezed and snottered all over the chess board...never went back after that
By:
Charlie
When: 12 Apr 20 19:42
that meant the venue was far too hot with no air-conditioning or natural air flow. Horrible. I think darts players have said it's too hot.
By:
maleuk01.
When: 12 Apr 20 19:44
im not very good compared to experts, but in lets say my workplace of 200, i gaurentee i would be the best and inside top 2000 out of 3.1m is pretty good.

Esp with just playing casual.
By:
maleuk01.
When: 12 Apr 20 19:45
but its relative, im def not upto playing club chess, maybe bottom board in rubbish team.
By:
Charlie
When: 12 Apr 20 19:47
I didn't mean to knock you maleuk01 I was just questioning your, or the sites, grades.
By:
maleuk01.
When: 12 Apr 20 19:50
well they are the figures on the site.

Thats a fact.

1640 gets you in top 2000 out of 3.1m players.
By:
elisjohn
When: 12 Apr 20 19:52
Confused, what the heck is chess 960?
By:
Charlie
When: 12 Apr 20 19:54
Try Chess.com or lichess both are excellent and free.
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