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England not Reporting Care Home and at Home Deaths.
England not Reporting Care Home and at Home Deaths.
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SontaranStratagem • April 14, 2020 6:38 PM BST
Lurka it has peaked, we hit the peak at the weekend, Italy peaked and are still in that peak zone but its going down now. and they coped fine remember. No, I don't remember that. |
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That was aimed at you have to laugh by the way
Who offers nothing but silly digs or insults |
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Italy coped well with it
As did Spain, their health care system were on top of it all the time People were bound to die from various things anyway, we ain't immortal ffs |
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Come on now, edy provides very clever digs.
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Italy's deaths, half of them have been in one area of the country, the rest of the country its way down in terms of numbers, most below 1000 deaths
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so pointing out your logic failure is an insult or a silly dig ?
oh yeah we are at the peak now says sherpa tenzing as he still had 500 ft to climb great says sir edmund we can go back to base camp now having climbed everest |
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I'd say Italy as a whole coped extremly well bar Lombardy, which has a very high % of old people
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yeah, the parts with far fewer infections because of a strict lockdown and restrictions did cope well. I will give you that.
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The peak is the highest number of cases and deaths reported for a particular day, which has been shown to be a lie because they ain't 24 hour death figures, they are up to 2 weeks previously.
so yes we are at the peak, albeit one or two rises above the 1000 |
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Tomorrow's figures will be of interest, I fear that we will see an extended weekend lag as a result of the Easter holiday.
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Spain also coped really well
Angoose, well then the deaths reported tomorrow wont all be for the previous 24 hours would they  they'll be adding in Saturday, Sunday and Monday deaths that weren't added todaySo it means jack anyway |
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Its got to be a 24 hour death stat not a 5 day one ?
People will lose their heads but they needn't bother, there's a lag ffs |
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I predict 1100, and then we can enjoy utter madness being displayed
Even though the media themselves will say it was deaths reported over a longer period But get ready for the "I knew they were hiding the numbers" line being trotted out |
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Eric "Yes it will probably mostly take out old codgers" Care to dehumanize them with some other glib comments.
Of course you will never get old will you? and if you do, what then, you will have little respect for your own worth going by the above, Dignitas perhaps. |
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It might not just take out "old codgers" though
If I have an underlying health condition I'm unaware of, I might suffer with any type of flu as well We ain't immune to sickness, we think we are but we ain't |
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lets be generous 50,000 new cases (x10 actual confirmed), 800 deaths a day...herd immunity xmas 2022 (better book the party)...800,000 deaths
 but 700,000 of them only 5 minutes before their time  |
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I'm 63 Fox...suggest you wind yer neck in a litte
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I wouldnt want anyone to lose their job let alone a business they had built up over years just to protect my life. The fact that so many seem happy to see the ruin of others as a price worth paying to keep them safe is terrible. I wouldnt want it on my conscience.
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I'm 72,so I'll go first,
 I'll leave it to you, if you want to wind yours in a tad. |
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I've got an underlyiing health issue(all 19stone of it)...so it might be a photo finish
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Dotch
The first whingers when this ends, and they are seeing the ruins of their jobs and savings... will the same one's who demanded stricter lockdown Well done you got what you wanted now go and have a whine at someone else Or they can blame the jobless again, only they are jobless this time around but I doubt it'll stop them ffs |
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Stay strong, Eric, that's what people say to me, it may sound trite butI know they mean
well, and so do I. |
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^^^ obviously they dont say Stay strong Eric, to me.
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I think everyone should get behind the Government ;they're doing their best and I defy anyone who thinks they could do a better job. It's a moot point to blame the Government for what's happening in Care Homes as not even those in public ownership (if there are any) are the responsibility of the NHS. It's a fact that if you're in such a home you're nearing the end of your life and if ever resources are such that life and death decisions have to be made then the fit and young should be protected at the expense of oldies like myself.
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The big red flag now is the media making it political
Its all on Trump in America, he should have acted quicker I think we know exactly where they are heading with it over there, no mention of deaths today on CNN just its all on Trump I mean talk about making it painfully obvious, it took them what 3 weeks? |
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you can use statistics in all sorts of ways to make things look good or bad like this for instance
on the https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ there is a column deaths per million of population so lets look at these countries Spain is 386 compared to the UK 178 convert that 386 figure to our population of 67,808,264 you get 25,254 deaths compared to the UK 12,107 Italy 348 = 23,669 France 241 = 16.392 Belgium 359 = 24,418 China 57 = 3877 |
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Spain/Italy/France/Uk/Belgium/Netherlands(even Sweden catching up) have markedly similar death/case rates...suggesting they are probably the norm and can be probably trusted
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yes why not but anyone with an anti government stance aint going to do that
they want headline deaths like UK 12,107 but when you compare that to spain 25,254 they dont wont to know as it doesnt fit their agenda they are now switching their agenda from deaths to PPE to care homes any any thing they can do to discredit the govt imagine if corbinned and flabtard had been in power ffs |
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Is that an example of an anti Labour stance ?
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Sonta, you do know many front line workers have been tested more than once? Sorry if its already been mentioned, rather shoot myself than wade through this bilge.The Testing stats worthless unless you have a whole lot more information, even then doubt it's reliable.
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The amount of pointless comparisons being made between different territories and different diseases/viruses is a recurring feature of this pandemic.
Comparing Spain and Italy to the UK is one. They are weeks ahead of the UK in terms of the spread of it. The only relevance of those two countries' to the UK's spread at this point is that the UK had advance warning of what was coming down the track for them. |
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Scotland reports to date 25% care home and 13% other settings..38% to add to usual tally..imagine England will be similar probably worse.
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What does this mean SK? Have these deaths not been counted from the start or just for that week?
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I think the bbc Scotland website will explain it more clearly than I can...
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Actually if the UK 'official' figs are still hospitals only, which they are, then they all have to be totted up weekly and added on. Same with rest of UK. Must be over 16k deaths then
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yes lurka..dr.john campbell reckons between 30-50 % not being added to create a more honest death toll.
I really worry about the care home death rate in England could be far worse than is imagined..hope I'm wrong. |
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Dont buy the deliberate under reporting nonsense, **** up may be.
Government coming under growing pressure over the effects of lockdown, their only argument for continuing with it is the spread of the virus and numbers of deaths, why would they wish to play those numbers down, talking the numbers up would make more sense if they want to keep us in line. |
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Nonsense. Care and nursing home settings are naturally isolated from the rest of the community and would be relatively easy to lockdown separately. France totted up all their care home deaths, added them on to their total and now include them in their official figures going forward. The UK has the means to do this if they want and the fact they haven't still is scandalous at this stage.
Every government has an incentive to play big numbers down, particularly one which encouraged the spread early on. The numbers are still way too high even without these deaths to consider a relaxation of lockdown. |
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potis..the government went for lockdown far later than other countries even though Italy and Spain warned us of what was coming.
Cummings believes in Eugenics and a "thinning of the herd"..by allowing the infection spread for so long it ensured that the country was going to get hit very hard..as we know the virus mainly kills the old and infirm..I really hope the carnage from care homes is not as bad as I fear. |