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I wonder why?..Northern Ireland Wales and Scotland do...why don't England?

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By:
Angoose
When: 10 Apr 20 11:24
They are, just not in the daily briefing.
They are available in the weekly ONS figures, albeit with a lag.
By:
thegiggilo
When: 10 Apr 20 11:34
There are at least a 1,000 50% of homes are infected and the elderly are being sent back to the homes untested,articles are aound that in six months time these figures will never be seen,we shall see on the next updat as should be nearer 2,000 just for the homes..The figure is 20 so far,a 1000 has been recorded at least lets see what happens it should be today or tomorrow..
By:
lapsy pa
When: 14 Apr 20 14:28
Half of all covid deaths are in Care homes due to data from France,Belgium and Ireland.
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 14 Apr 20 14:32
People just desperate for more death and carnage its quite disgusting really

You people need help, get yourself checked out seriously
By:
lapsy pa
When: 14 Apr 20 14:34
Take a test yourself,weren't you on here claiming you had it?
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 14 Apr 20 14:35
You need help

Seeking death and bad news like the typical low frequency mugs you are
By:
lurka
When: 14 Apr 20 14:36
Definitely a scandal brewing here imo. No reason why they can't report them in the same way as the rest at this stage and you have to ask why that is.
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 14 Apr 20 14:36
We can do without them

Absolute joke, and its mostly the "educated" that are demanding it all

Pathetic
By:
lapsy pa
When: 14 Apr 20 14:36
No, the goverment is covering up,you are colluding.
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 14 Apr 20 14:36
Nope, it was you lot that started questioning it even though they do report it but weekly not daily

These deaths aren't even daily ffs

"colluding" goodbye
By:
Dotchinite
When: 14 Apr 20 14:37
Of course on the one hand these may not be included but against that the whole figures are overstated as its people who had COVID when they died but we have no way on knowing how many actually died from it.
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 14 Apr 20 14:37
Dotch don't bother

This lot want their chains and cage Plain
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 14 Apr 20 14:38
Pathetically spineless ain't the word
By:
lapsy pa
When: 14 Apr 20 14:40
We don't, maybe just maybe,not covid but another underlying health condition is listed as the cause.
By:
lurka
When: 14 Apr 20 14:42
People who had tested + before they died, which is slightly different than people who had covid when they died. The WHO advice is to record all people who died with covid as a covid related death. Not all countries do this. Italy test people after death and report them. Don't think many others do. Not sure if much testing is happening in UK care homes.
By:
lapsy pa
When: 14 Apr 20 14:46
Very little Lurka,seems to be done after the sheet hit the fan, while some care home stopped visiting earlier(fair play) some were left til goverment orders re social distancing etc on the 18TH MARCH.
By:
lurka
When: 14 Apr 20 14:50
Bloke on Sky news who runs a lot of care homes says they didn't have testing or PPE til recently, estimates 2.5k dead in UK care homes and peak still to come.
By:
Dotchinite
When: 14 Apr 20 14:52
AS the sky woman said they were trying to get away from speculation and stick to the facts.
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 14 Apr 20 14:53
The peak has already hit, another 1 or 2 rises and that's it

People are looking for more hysteria and death

Its disturbing ffs

Even when the peak passes you'll still have people in these forums saying they've been hiding real death numbers
By:
lurka
When: 14 Apr 20 14:54
I didn't say he said said it as a fact he said it was an estimate and that testing and PPE is scant
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 14 Apr 20 14:54
Italy and Spain can't produce the hysteria now, so we have to create it

What's happened to nightingale anyway? all these other deaths yet that hospital is empty
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 14 Apr 20 14:56
I've just typed Nightingale London into google and its come up with the one in Wigan ffs

Nothing on the london one at all, its like it dropped out of existance
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 14 Apr 20 14:58
The peak has hit and the numbers just aren't adding up at all, the deaths are nowhere near high enough for a pandemic

So they've changed the narrative up and have started talking about nursing homes, you couldn't make this s*** up

Sad

There's an agenda going on and its beyond disturbing now, the nightingale hospitals are getting no mention, the hospitals are empty for the most part
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 14 Apr 20 14:59
100,000 deaths worldwide, so basically we are heading to the flu/pneumonia type number of 250,000?

And I've noticed a drop in pneumonia deaths... All very odd has to be said
By:
lurka
When: 14 Apr 20 15:03
You repeatedly ignore the fact that a lockdown has been in place and will be for some time, comparing it to flu and previous pandemics where there was no lockdown. No comparison for the umpteenth time
By:
lurka
When: 14 Apr 20 15:05
Why are they still frantically building hospitals if the peak has hit? It hasn't.
By:
mafeking
When: 14 Apr 20 15:06
am i missing something but why are so many people dying in care homes ? on all known evidence this is not a virus that kills quickly. serious symptoms needing hospitalisation to death is a week at least so why are so few seemingly making it to hospital ?
By:
lurka
When: 14 Apr 20 15:08
because they are barely testing at all in care homes and the staff have less PPE than nurses
By:
Angoose
When: 14 Apr 20 15:08
Here is a chart that shows the typical progress of the disease for infected patients.

By:
Angoose
When: 14 Apr 20 15:10
So, broadbrush, hospitalisation 8-10 days from first symptoms, death 5-30 days from hospitalisation.
By:
lapsy pa
When: 14 Apr 20 15:12
Sontaran "100,000 deaths"  Do you think so?


Go away and google "bodies in the streets of Ecuador"(there is a few) look at their death rate and come back and comment
By:
Eric.Cartman
When: 14 Apr 20 15:49
Very interesting chart Angoose...listen there some big guesses their but fairly reasonable...but you have got to question the 85% intial recovery for those in hospital before entering ICU(90% overall)...doubt there much lag between death/recoveries so recorded figures in most countries(not uk) probably fairly accurate, and nowhere in any of the recovery figures does it even suggest such a successful result in hospitals...this chart shows a 1% death rate for total infections...listen i hope i'm wrong but that seems massively optimistic.
By:
mafeking
When: 14 Apr 20 16:04
you don't have to test or be a doctor to see someone seriously struggling with their breathing. just don't get why they're not getting to hospital. it's not as though it's through shortage of critical care beds. not got anywhere near capacity yet
By:
Hanx
When: 14 Apr 20 16:41
You have to look hard for stats on the number of people recovering from Covid-19 too

Doesn't fit any agendas

Stay scared folks
By:
TheGoldenVision
When: 14 Apr 20 16:58
UK 88,000 infected... 11,000 deaths

12% fatality rate

A bit more than the 2-3% originally suggested.
By:
Dotchinite
When: 14 Apr 20 16:59
I will leave the fear to you Hanx.
By:
lurka
When: 14 Apr 20 17:17

Apr 14, 2020 -- 4:58PM, TheGoldenVision wrote:


UK 88,000 infected... 11,000 deaths12% fatality rateA bit more than the 2-3% originally suggested.


Really annoying to see people still reading anything into case numbers and laughable to see them then try to calculate death rates using them. Case numbers aren't accurate as not everyone is tested. UK death numbers aren't accurate either because they don't report all deaths. But by all means use two inaccurate numbers to come up with an even more inaccurate number if it serves some sort of purpose for you.

By:
Eric.Cartman
When: 14 Apr 20 17:21
i reckon mortality rate for infected(including asymptomatic) is running at minimum 3%...thats bad enough until you project it to number of people infected. With death lagging infection by a guesstimation of 18days...that means there were roughly 400,000 total infected 18 days ago...give the next 18 days a average of 700 deaths and that would give you a total of roughly 820,000 infected today (just over 1.2% population)....a long long way from herd immunity.
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 14 Apr 20 17:25
The GoldenVision

Then why isn't 12% of the country dropping? why isn't the streets littered with dead bodies, why isn't their a stench coming from the houses where people have died of it in house

None of it makes sense now because we're well into it, I said we'd need to give it a few weeks to see the true direction of it and its now obvious

12% mortality rate because they are only testing dead patients ffs, and they died of other things most of them

A joke confirmed
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