SontaranStratagem, terry mccann, John.W.Henry.

The same MSM that have been caught lying for years, people on here and up and down the country have called them out for it. The government have downgraded this viruses infection rate from high to low, yet the same media outlets who have been called out as liars and "scumbags" are now telling you the gospel

Sky News themselves have been caught out using the same footage when reporting on Italian ICUs for weeks now, yet people believe what they're being told in the right there and then is the gospel truth.

Now they're using the same stock footage for Spains hospitals as well.

Fire

The link you provided aren't life assurance policies- they are health care coverage.so you pay the premium, get cancer & this insurance pays towards treatment (hospital stay/drugs/ nursing, consultant fees)


Not sure what John was going on about - why would anybody buy life assurance for just one type of death. It wouldn't pay off mortgage if died in Road traffic accident.

What about some of these big sporting authorities taking out insurance on possible pandemics, Wimbledon will pocket millions because of this as just an example

None of these scumbag elite authorities will lose a dime in all this, America is printing money like its going out of fashion so as to protect the big corporations, 10 trillion with more on the way, oh and its you the tax payers that are going to pay for it when they finally let you out again

I'd be sticking two fingers up at them and staying inside, tell them to sort it out themselves

How can you let these pieces of dog s*** (I no longer call them rats because rats have more self respect and morals) run amok like this?

@aspro. Fair enough. your call. Do not let that sidetrack you from what the guy was saying.

He knows its a scamdemic and was prepared to face up and go public with it.

He has put his life on the line by doing that.

Here is the fox news interview again :

try this one from a named and qualified doctor speaking on fox news.    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6A-fAvEEpI

Well worth 6 minutes of your time.

There is a very interesting contribution at about 5 mins in

Very good link that John.
I agree with the doctor/senator

Ye Ice. But some still comment without watching it .

Trying to defend a narrative which is cracking at the seam .

They are as much to blame as the originators. Sad world

This is in the uk Mexico, but you could probably avail of the policy in usa?

.https://www.the-insurance-surgery.co.uk/medical-conditions-life-insurance/cancer-insurance/

The media should never be allowed to operate again after this, this is what you get when you get absolute thick munters running a narrative, they are thick

They can't keep their narrative straight it changes so wildly one minute to the next

Chris Cuomo, the man who only comes down with what he claims to be "the beast" at night time, perfectly fine on camera but is swimming out of his own sweat at 3 in the morning

Sorry but these people are to braindead to produce at coherent story, I actually think sometimes they are double agents and are in fact on our side, because that's how obvious they make it. The elites always get exposed because of their media corporations

Apr 10, 2020 -- 1:40PM, SontaranStratagem wrote:

They've been caught red handed over the past few days bumping the figures But they carry on as if they haven't been caught That Tara Jane Langstons footage in intensive care was obviously from months ago for another illness, some say it was a smoking related illness because she mentions smoking (which has been strangely edited out by the MSM), yet here she is being paraded around on Sky News You could catch these cants committing murder right there and they'd carry on cutting up the body when their rights are being read out, no morals or shame whatsoever, its the absolute front of these people that makes it more comical and disgraceful Sky News yesterday admitted for the first time those 24 hour deaths numbers... aren't 24 hour death numbers but deaths from up to 3 weeks ago. Yet the presenter still went on as if they 24 hour death numbers. These people are facking shameless psychos.

Thanks for coming in Sonta but could you please verify?

That Tara Jane Langstons footage in intensive care was obviously from months ago for another illness

I'm not sure statement that is correct.

https://theglobalherald.com/tag/tara-jane-langston/

Cheers

"Some people claimed the videos were “Fake!” and “didn’t happen” on social media, but news outlets were able to verify her story."

She never mentions "corona virus" once in her first video

She's also put on about 5lbs from the first video to the next, its in the face

Reminds me of the movie prestige, where he says "yeah he comes out, slightly overweight and a little bit drunk, how does he feel taking his bow under the stage?".

Yes the same media outlets who have been caught lying for years trilby

She's an attention seeker trilby, go check out her facebook account, proper little minx all pouting and fake

Quite hot but that's no substitute for a money grabbing fame hungry cow, she's been loving every second of her 15 minutes of fame on camera, the sort of woman who'd happily sell her kids for a go at the big brother house in my opinion

Thanks for the link Fire

tThese are "niche market" policies which pay out on death - regardless of if die from cancer , car accident, virus etc.

So what exactly does that link show Fire. Where are these policies John were talking about where life assurance is only paid out if die in a certain way. It doesn't make much sense- people want their family to be financially protected if they die - it doesn't really matter how they die.

comment on the video mex. try that one for starters . tar.

I may be wrong who knows but you can question the senator by email if you want on his findings.

try this one from a named and qualified doctor speaking on fox news.    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6A-fAvEEpI

Well worth 6 minutes of your time.

There is a very interesting contribution at about 5 mins in

there you go. give it a whirl.

Got a view mex ?

Is he lying mex ?

want to contact him mex ?

Got anything mex ?

Anything at all about the video mex  ?

Has society dumbed you down mex ?

Have you been flattened by the curve Mex ?

John

Yes we can agree that you may be wrong.

You posted some story about life assurance only pays out if death certificate says "cancer " & nothing else.
If any such policies actually exist they are so far from "mainstream " that it will make f-all defence to the large insurance companies.

It basically doesn't matter on the policy if someone dies from cance, car crash or covid19.

Why post that assurance "news" John. Did you make it up or did in come from another website?

John

I don't watch loon-tube videos which have been recommended by an anonymous shiny hat wearer.

A video is a poor way of providing information- it doesn't provide links to where the "information " comes from, it is very difficult to search .

John - did you post lies about life assurance?

The youtube info is way more important than the subject you are obsessing over Mex.
Watch it and see if you think it has validity.

Apr 10, 2020 -- 2:16PM, SontaranStratagem wrote:

She's an attention seeker trilby, go check out her facebook account, proper little minx all pouting and fake Quite hot but that's no substitute for a money grabbing fame hungry cow, she's been loving every second of her 15 minutes of fame on camera, the sort of woman who'd happily sell her kids for a go at the big brother house in my opinion

I'm not sure what to make of it, Sontar but I've not seen any evidence to say she's she's a fraud.  Her anti-5G Change.org petition has been removed from her FB, as has a YouTube video pertaining to her being fake news by Laura Van de Vijfeike.  I didn't dig any further.

A far as putting on 5lbs between videos is concerned, she appears to have been in hospital for nine days - three of which were in an ICU.  I imagine she would have lost lot of weight initially but could she not have regained it in six days?

I'm by no means having a go - simply trying to establish the truth.  Without the truth, we are nothing.  Always seek the truth!

Fire

Thanks for your opinion about how important this loon Tube video is.

You seem unable to unable to provide a link to a life assurance policy which only pays out one one type of cause of death . You have provided two links which don't really demonstrate an understanding of a simple concept.

No wonder you are so keen to move onto a totally different topic.

The topic I'm referring to is the the topic this thread started with!

The first 2 posts on this thread contain youtube clips and are asking for people's response to them.

It is you who is hijacking the thread solely in order to squabble with the usernames who upset you!

You don't even watch youtube clips so why contribute?

Silly Mex

Fire

I can understand why you run away from those couple of cancer life assurance links you provided & want to move to a different topic.

It very much looks like John was publishing misleading garbage regarding how people won't get paid life assurance if die from Covid19.
Nice attemp Fire to provide links but it suggests you don't really understand what life assurance is.
Silly Fire
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I am disappointed but not surprised  by John's misleading claims. Covid19 is not an appropriate subject for people to publish these false claims- just provide a link to the story if it is true.

Why are you on a thread that was created to show info from youtube links, when you don't watch them?

Its obvious you are a troll and were drawn to the thread because of the usernames in the title and wanted yet another squabble!

Stop hijacking threads.

Hey Mex, give it a break buddy.  It's not quite cricket for you to come in here and start battering peeps I've called out to, is it?

Apr 10, 2020 -- 3:00PM, trilby22 wrote:

Apr 10, 2020 --  1:16PM, SontaranStratagem wrote:She's an attention seeker trilby, go check out her facebook account, proper little minx all pouting and fake Quite hot but that's no substitute for a money grabbing fame hungry cow, she's been loving every second of her 15 minutes of fame on camera, the sort of woman who'd happily sell her kids for a go at the big brother house in my opinionI'm not sure what to make of it, Sontar but I've not seen any evidence to say she's she's a fraud.  Her anti-5G Change.org petition has been removed from her FB, as has a YouTube video pertaining to her being fake news by Laura Van de Vijfeike.  I didn't dig any further.A far as putting on 5lbs between videos is concerned, she appears to have been in hospital for nine days - three of which were in an ICU.  I imagine she would have lost lot of weight initially but could she not have regained it in six days?I'm by no means having a go - simply trying to establish the truth.  Without the truth, we are nothing.  Always seek the truth!

Fair play mate at least you didn't insult and asked genuine questions regarding my opinion

I just see it in her eyes, she's defiantly not being honest, constantly looking away from the camera, she can't give eye contact with the camera at all

And she's being used as a poster girl, she's an attractive 39 year old woman, they love people like that

And I'm talking about her interviews with ITV and Sky, she's being used to further an agenda

No worries and I can certainly see where you're coming from Sontar.

https://youtu.be/LBKyuDbzzik

She can't look into the camera at all in that interview

She's a liar in regards to covid 19, she might well have been in hospital for something but she never looked that ill even then, if you can talk for 5 minutes into a camera you've got your wits about you, your in a decent frame of mind. People who are generally sick can't do that, they brush their nose up at food as well, they certainly wouldn't be flapping their gums into a phone mic ffs.

My dad was in ICU after having part of his colon removed and he couldn't eat properly for weeks, his appetite just went, he was pleased when he could get a small yougurt down his neck, because the biggest tell your getting better is the appetite returning.

"flapping their gums" Great expression!

then dont forget about the insurance companies. If you pay premiums on a cancer policy for years and years and years and have cancer,......................................... you get nothing if the cause of death is Covid19 on the DC.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm.................................................



Trilby - hardly cricket for somebody to be posting garbage on the subject of a killer virus then expect the bowling team to use a tennis ball because it might hurt if they get hit with a duke.
Should lies on such a dangerous subject go unchallenged? John has published these claims & for what aim. To undermine the serious message the health authorities & government are giving.

Won't be any first class cricket for a while I fear Trilby. Report that the WIndies test matches will be cancelled. All a bit sad really. Still no excuse to publish lies is it?

If someone tested positive for covid 19 but died in a plane crash, they would add him to the stats.

That’s how ridiculous this is becoming.

I am glad that many others are seeing mex for what he really is.

His term of arguments are always flawed and he always fails to answer the questions posed. you cannot afford a loon such as him any time whatsoever but you can use him as a barometer

I discovered a long time ago that he is a no nothing mindless piece of garbage who has a deformed and blinkered world view.

He tries to pick on Terry by mindlessly questioning him on matters where Terry has only in most cases reproduced an alternative view which mex cannot digest becoz if he was to accept it it would mean the best part of his life he has been living within a lie and his historical bed side chats with his ladyboy would have been littered with untruths.

I am so pleased that so many are wise to his shoite as it was one of my foremost priorities when i started posting on here to get him fully exposed for what he is. A keyboard bully who has an extremely limited understanding of anything.

Over the years i have used him as a gauge to judge wether to look into something which looks as if it may be iffy. If he rounds up on the side of the official spin you can bet your bottom dollar there are flaws in the incident.

Dr. Scott Jensen, a Minnesota family physician who is also a Republican state senator, told "The Ingraham Angle" Wednesday that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) guidelines for doctors to certify whether a patient has died of coronavirus are "ridiculous" and could be misleading the public.

Host Laura Ingraham read Jensen the guidelines, which say: "In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID cannot be made but is suspected or likely (e.g. the circumstances are compelling with a reasonable degree of certainty) it is acceptable to report COVID-19 on a death certificate as 'probable' or 'presumed.'"

In response, Jensen told Ingraham the CDC's death certificate manual tells physicians to focus on "precision and specificity," but the coronavirus death certification guidance runs completely counter to that axiom.

"The idea that we are going to allow people to massage and sort of game the numbers is a real issue because we are going to undermine the [public] trust," he said. "And right now as we see politicians doing things that aren’t necessarily motivated on fact and science, their trust in politicians is already wearing thin."

Jensen gave a hypothetical example of a patient who died while suffering from influenza. If the patient was elderly and had symptoms like fever and cough a few days before passing away, the doctor explained, he would have listed "respiratory arrest" as the primary cause of death.

"I’ve never been encouraged to [notate 'influenza']," he said. "I would probably write 'respiratory arrest' to be the top line, and the underlying cause of this disease would be pneumonia ... I might well put emphysema or congestive heart failure, but I would never put influenza down as the underlying cause of death and yet that’s what we are being asked to do here."

Jensen then told Ingraham that under the CDC guidelines, a patient who died after being hit by a bus and tested positive for coronavirus would be listed as having presumed to have died from the virus regardless of whatever damage was caused by the bus.

"That doesn't make any sense," he said.

Jensen also reacted to Dr. Anthony Fauci's response to a question about the potential for the number of coronavirus deaths being "padded," in which the NIAID director described the prevalance of "conspiracy theories" during "challenging" times in public health.

"I would remind him that anytime health care intersects with dollars it gets awkward," Jensen said.

"Right now Medicare has determined that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you’ll get paid $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator, you get $39,000; three times as much. Nobody can tell me, after 35 years in the world of medicine, that sometimes those kinds of things [have] impact on what we do.

"Some physicians really have a bent towards public health and they will put down influenza or whatever because that’s their preference," Jensen added. "I try to stay very specific, very precise. If I know I’ve got pneumonia, that’s what’s going on the death certificate. I’m not going to add stuff just because it’s convenient."

As mex refuses to watch the fox news interview i have brought to the thread some of the basic transcript.

I would imagine Mex will now label the good Doctor as a tin foil hat wearer

Enough of this bollocks.

Let's start right at the beginning with the opening post and the video and where it was posted. It was posted on Dana Ashlie's site (who you may well ask). This is what she says:

We were told that these days would be this way. On this channel,  I link biblical prophecy to current day events and point to the only real solution. Jesus of Nazareth's orignal followers were said to follow "The Way" and thus, they were 'Keepers of the Way'. I think this is a far better name than "Christian" for several reasons but "The Way" implies ACTION, it implies a NEW WAY of LIFE. Whereas the other is simply a noun, a label. The time for ...

Now why would any sensible person post on this channel?

‘Stay home and save lives’. But if you’re from Milan please fly here unchecked..

Nightingale was a follower of the Way.....

Carrying on with first loon tube, whose interviewing and whose talking? Supposedly an ICU nurse of 30 years for which there is zero evidence.

Anyone who believes this is true is a moron.

Who stands to gain from this? Only one person and it is $$$$$$$$$$$$$ and that's, drum roll, Dana Ashlie.

JWH
I read earlier that in your working life you worked in A,I. ?
Does that stand for ARTIFICIAL INFORMATION ?

No far from it. At the time I was working on Artificial Insemination as in crossing pigs with humans. You were the first success we had.

Nightingale opened last week and still no news on that front and we are entering peak numbers

You've got Trump now saying a lot fewer than 100,000 will die and that they wont need the ship hospitals ffs, but then you've got the MSM reporting about secret graves in new york

Its like watching a really bad b movie, and when I say bad you keep watching because of how comical it is

The Evil Dead springs to mind, so bad it was actually entertaining

Sky News

Mass graves being made in new york to bury the stacking bodies

Without doubt the biggest culprits for sheer fear doom, these clowns have had a field day

Its like watching a alt right media channel on steroids with Sky News throughout this

They've been showing "dying bodies" all through it, showing body bags and telling us all we're next, and coffins despite saying they get sent for cremation after "dying alone, this is what you can expect"

Sky News have really jumped the shark with this event

As for Boris and the "he's walking again" I didn't think it took the legs out I thought it was raspatory affects?

SS - you're right - the fear porn has been relentless...it's become laughable.

Laughable is probably the wrong word to use when people are actually having their lives torn apart

Its so bad gibberish its making people switch it off in my opinion

Sky News have well and truly taken the pi** throughout though, they've moved on from Italy now, they are currently trying to scare people about Spain but that might be coming to an end because their death numbers are falling

New York was a pit stop as well but they've gone quiet on that front in the past week

Maybe that's the goal, scare them so much they can claim the state saved you when it reopens up, saying you might have lost your business and jobs but at least you're still alive

Scum

And we're all supposed to be so grateful when our version of the Chinese Social Credit System is introduced

Being spoken to like kids

"stay inside do as your told"

grown men and women with kids are being told to behave

Fire-and-ice is talking nonsense as usual.  His first link is medical insurance and the second link is a critical illness policy   Critical illness policies payout on diagnosis of cancer, not death by cancer.  So saying a patient died of covid rather than cancer would be irrelevant to these policies (except on the extraordinary circumstance of someone dying of covid who had undiagnosed cancer).  There are no* life insurance policies that pay out only on death by cancer.

*there might be some fraud company that markets something like that but no large company would as the policies wouldn't be sold by brokers because they have the opposite of a unique selling point.

Mexico, you know fine well what I meant by, "It's not quite cricket", so kindly refrain from handing me your verbal pish justifying your reasons for derailing my thread which asked just one question to a particular trio of people.

While you certainly make some valid points in other areas, they were not the topic of this thread.

Thank you and I hope you learn better manners.

Charlie, as I said to Mexico, I was asking three people for their opinions and I specifically said, "be it fake news or true."  So mind your language, mind your manners and I'll thank you to wind yer fkn neck in while your at it.

I'll leave the thread to the two of you to ruin further as I've finished with it. 

SontaranStratagem, terry mccann, John.W.Henry. - Illegitimi non carborundum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnN6T3O7jww

People gonna make ya wonder if you're right
Keep ya wide awake and worried late at night
Why don't ya tell 'em to beat it
Why don't ya tell 'em to eat it
They're just a bunch of clowns
Don't let 'em grind ya down

Sons of bitches, crocodile tears in their eyes
We scare 'em shitless just by showin' up alive
Why don't you tell 'em to shove it
You know they might as well love it
Give you runaround
Don't let 'em grind ya down

Evil bastards ain't got nothin' else to do
Make your life a misery and put you off your food
Don't you dare to go under
Don't let 'em steal your thunder
Listen to the sound
Well let 'em grind that down

wind yer fkn neck in while you're at it.

Trilby

This isn't "your thread" - it is a thread on a Betfair chit chat forum. You have no ownership or control over this thread.
Betfair have a list of terms and conditions which YOU. agreed to.

No changing the rules because you wrongly believe this is your thread "is just not cricket "


As mentioned by myself and others this thread is full of dangerous lies. What isn't cricket is for these dangerous lies to go unchallenged because this is "your" thread.
John's post and Fire's poor attempt to support his friend with a couple of ilrelevant links all fall into the deadly narrative that somehow this virus isn't what it seems.
Trilby - over 100k people have been killed by this virus , nearly 1,000 are dying everyday in the UK & you are crying because someone else is posting on "your" thread. Maybe some sort of perspective about priorities Trilby? It' not exactly cricket to post lies about a killer virus on this forum is it?

Maybe worth reading the laws of cricket & forum T&C. Maybe point out where it is fine to post complete BS about this killer virus. Still the important point is that some people have poster on "your" thread.

So thank and I hope you learn better manners.

If better manners is too much to ask then no1 priority is that you, John, Terry M, Fire, and EVERYBODY else follows the health/government advice (& law) and stay at home. Use Social distancing & save lives.

I will do as I wish Mexico.
No self-important prat like you will EVER lecture me.
Are we clear?

trilby22

What do you make of this one fellas?

An ICU nurse of 30 years speaks out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCgea5o3ALU&feature=youtu.be

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I dont like anonymous voice overs m8. Although there may be reasons why. Interesting but we cannot hang ourselves on it.

try this one from a named and qualified doctor speaking on fox news.    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6A-fAvEEpI

Well worth 6 minutes of your time.

There is a very interesting contribution at about 5 mins in

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Fire-and-ice is talking nonsense as usual.  His first link is medical insurance and the second link is a critical illness policy   Critical illness policies payout on diagnosis of cancer, not death by cancer.  So saying a patient died of covid rather than cancer would be irrelevant to these policies (except on the extraordinary circumstance of someone dying of covid who had undiagnosed cancer).  There are no* life insurance policies that pay out only on death by cancer.

*there might be some fraud company that markets something like that but no large company would as the policies wouldn't be sold by brokers because they have the opposite of a unique selling point.

I gotta admit, I didn't bother to check those links out myself.
I just googled and took links from the top.
I couldn't care less, but thought it'd give Mexico summat to do.
It pleases me that you wasted your time too, Dave.
Idiot


Now where is the quote that Terry McCann wants millions of kids to die? The actual quote, not your twisted interpretation.
That's your next little task.

I will do as I wish Mexico.
No self-important prat like you will EVER lecture me.
Are we clear?


Fire your attitude of "I won't follow health & government advice & "I will do as I lwish " is irresponsible, selfish and illegal.

Are we clear?

I clearly can't stop you from endangering the health and even lives of yourself and many other people but I can point out that your attitude is dangerous.
You seem to have published on an open forum that you are prepared to break the law because "I will do as I like"

The lecture has not just come me - it has come from medical professionals, elected government and scientists. You seem happy enough to break the law and don't seem to care about the potential harm you may be doing by ignoring the government advice.
Isn't that pretty much the ultimate example of nasty selfish irresponsible behaviour.

We can see that you don't understand the basic principles of life assurance now you seem to think that the law doesn't apply to you.

I wish you and your friends and family the best of health & hope you have a change of heart and don't "do as you wish"

Don't be evil .

Reading stuff that isn't there and ignoring what is.
I will do as I wish doesn't mean I'm not lawful
You sir are an idiot
Now I've reported you already for harrasment and not adhering to forum rules.
Carry on, you irrelevance.

trilby22

What do you make of this one fellas?

An ICU nurse of 30 years speaks out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCgea5o3ALU&feature=youtu.be
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I dont like anonymous voice overs m8. Although there may be reasons why. Interesting but we cannot hang ourselves on it.

try this one from a named and qualified doctor speaking on fox news.    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6A-fAvEEpI

Well worth 6 minutes of your time.

There is a very interesting contribution at about 5 mins in

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The topic I'm referring to is the the topic this thread started with!

The first 2 posts on this thread contain youtube clips and are asking for people's response to them.

It is you who is hijacking the thread solely in order to squabble with the usernames who upset you!

You don't even watch youtube clips so why contribute?

Silly Mex

Fire

Err yes it does
Your "I'll do as I wish" was a reply to the " follow government advice & keep social distancing "


The law/advice is there to protect lives. it doesn't allow for "I'll do as I wish" attitude.

Glad you have already changed your attitude and won't be breaking the law. Well done Fire - you hero. Gold star for not breaking the law.

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6A-fAvEEpI

This link needs to be seen

A qualified USA doctor/senator's viewpoint on covid numbers

It is obvious that posters on here with an agenda don't want people to see this kind of viewpoint. Are they evil? Possibly.

They have closed minds and feel threatened by what the doctor is saying.

Deflection and derailment of debate is what they do.

They are not exactly subtle are they?

Misunderstnding what I said and me clarifying it for you doesn't mean you've changed my mind Mexico.
Seriously, you are a strange little fella

This link needs to be seen

A qualified USA doctor/senator's viewpoint on covid numbers

It is obvious that posters on here with an agenda don't want people to see this kind of viewpoint. Are they evil? Possibly.

They have closed minds and feel threatened by what the doctor is saying.

Deflection and derailment of debate is what they do.

They are not exactly subtle are they?

^^^

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6A-fAvEEpI

Fire

There was no misunderstanding

I said you (& myself & everybody) should okay social distancing advice

Your reply was "I'll do as I wish" - it is obvious what you meant.


Fire - don't "do as you wish" , respect the law & advice.

Followed by some personal abuse ?

Deflection and derailment ^^
What do you think of what the doctor/senator is saying here?
Is he evil?
If you have no thoughts, feel free to be quiet.


.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6A-fAvEEpI

question

if you don't observe social distancing, what law have you broken?

Hi Wonder. Most of it covered in The Coronavirus Act 2020.

Was bought in just before Easter break.

correct...however that isn't the law, its a statute

contravening the coronavirus act is not breaking the law

if acts of parliament were laws they'd be called laws of parliament

there will not be 1 prosecution in a court of law for not adhering to social distancing

https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/laws/acts/

An Act of Parliament creates a new law or changes an existing law.



Are you sure you are correct wonder. The good people at Parliament.uk seem to think it is the law. So seems to be a difference of opinion.

Who is correct? Are you sure about this Act of Parliament being different to the law?

The courts will throw them all out mex

Not enough time in the world to deal with them ffs, absolute waste of time the cops doing it in my opinion, but its a power trip for them at the minute

We seem to be at our peak now, which will remain this way for a good 2 weeks, Italy and Spain are well on their way down now

The thing is these numbers are from 2 weeks ago not today, todays numbers are going to be reported in 2 weeks time, then we'll know where we are by then.

I am correct & I congratulate the system its done a great job brainwashing you

legislation is not "the law" as you seem to think, it is statute

"the law" in england is made up of statutes & common law
statutes require societal consent which is implied but can be refused
common law, on the other hand, you are bound by

so you can do something that is illegal but lawful

so I repeat, you are not breaking the law if you don't adhere to social distancing, you are contravening the coronavirus act

2 completely different things

these fixed penalty notices work in the same way that speeding tickets work

speeding on the road is not breaking the law
its contravening the road traffic act
if your speeding causes an accident that injures/kill another person or harms their property, then that's breaking the law

understand the difference?
most people don't

They just get points don't they? for speeding that is

I have no argument to idiot drivers, if they're caught acting pillocks on the road remove their licence, I agree with strict rules in regards to that

Wonder

I hope you are telling the truth are not spreading misinformation about the government's response to this virus.

The people at Parliament.uk clearly think that an act of Parliament is used to create/ amend laws. The Members of Parliament were under the impression that after the Act passed it would be enforced by police/ courts & fines could be given for breaking the law.
The police are under the impression that it is against the law to be out of the house without good reason and/or in a group.

Perhaps wonder it is worth letting these groups of people know that it is fine to ignore this act of Parliament because you don't think it is the law.

You haven't even bothered to provide any evidence as to why Parlaiment.uk are incorrect- just checking you are not spreading misinformation on the subject..

SS

You can also be fined & lose your driving license for speeding  depends on how much over tge speed limit you are.

https://youtu.be/OD7jNQdk2Yc

Here's another masterpiece during all this

a 1 day old baby died of it, only to find out it was "covid complications", whereby the mother went into premature labour after 22 weeks and the baby died

But that's a "covid death" so fack it eh

The media need shutting down, I've been screaming that for years

How they are allowed to get away with their ridiculous hysteria and fake news is quite disgusting on so many levels

BBC/Fox/ITV/CNN etc etc, and all the rag papers need culling, close the absolute pr*** down and lets get back to some normality for the first time 50 years

"breaking the law" isn't a legal term so I have no idea what point he is trying to make. AFAIK the only important issue with an offence under legislation passed by parliament is that the police have to tell you what offence you are committing.

There are various offences detailed in the Coronavirus Act eg

A person commits an offence if the person—
(a)fails without reasonable excuse to comply with any direction, reasonable instruction, requirement or restriction given to or imposed on the person under this Part of this Schedule,

(b)fails without reasonable excuse to comply with a duty under paragraph 62(1) or (2) (duties of individuals who have responsibility for a child),

(c)absconds or attempts to abscond while being removed to or kept at a place under this Part of this Schedule,

(d)knowingly provides false or misleading information in response to a requirement to provide information under this Part of this Schedule or otherwise in connection with the exercise of any power under this Part of this Schedule, or

(e)obstructs a person who is exercising or attempting to exercise a power conferred by this Part of this Schedule.

"breaking the law" isn't a legal term
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But it's a damned good Judas Priest song.

Apr 11, 2020 -- 5:18PM, dave1357 wrote:

"breaking the law" isn't a legal term so I have no idea what point he is trying to make. AFAIK the only important issue with an offence under legislation passed by parliament is that the police have to tell you what offence you are committing.There are various offences detailed in the Coronavirus Act eg A person commits an offence if the person—(a)fails without reasonable excuse to comply with any direction, reasonable instruction, requirement or restriction given to or imposed on the person under this Part of this Schedule,(b)fails without reasonable excuse to comply with a duty under paragraph 62(1) or (2) (duties of individuals who have responsibility for a child),(c)absconds or attempts to abscond while being removed to or kept at a place under this Part of this Schedule,(d)knowingly provides false or misleading information in response to a requirement to provide information under this Part of this Schedule or otherwise in connection with the exercise of any power under this Part of this Schedule, or(e)obstructs a person who is exercising or attempting to exercise a power conferred by this Part of this Schedule.

all those "offences" (a) to (e) contravene the coronavirus act...ie they are illegal
but none of them are unlawful

as long as you state that you refuse your consent to be bound by statute then you are acting within the law and are therefore offered the full protection of the law

same as with speeding tickets, if you accept a fixed penalty notice then you are deemed to have consented

Wonder once again thanks for not bothering to provide any links to back up the "legal principles" which Parliament overlooked.

Maybe a good idea if people just follow Government/ medical advice on social distancing. Then their actions will be both legal and lawful & won't be taken to court or fined.

Is a fairly simple message- avoid meeting people outside household, stay at home . unfortunately nearly a thousand people are dying every day in UK so these restrictions may be in place for a while.

Wonder - do you have any problems with following the advice. I assume you understand what tge advice is & tge reason for the advice.

Maybe a good idea if people just follow Government/ medical advice on social distancing

glad we've got there, finally

Wonder

You still haven't bothered to  provide any link/evidence to back up your legal opinion. Parlaiment are ready to be recalled on your say .


Just stay at home - you may save a life (could even be your own life or that of a doctor/nurse)

Stay at home.
Simples,

mex its called having a lifelong education and, on your 2nd part, I'll do what I like within the confounds of the law

ta

Wonder

Still no link to back up your legal opinion. What a surprise.

Just stay at home wonder- don't be silly because you believe it isn't the law to behave responsibly and stay away from people.

Don't risk killing people Wonder - just stay at home.

trilby22
Date Joined: 21 Aug 10

What do you make of this one fellas?

An ICU nurse of 30 years speaks out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCgea5o3ALU&feature=youtu.be
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John.W.Henry.
Date Joined: 20 Sep 11

I dont like anonymous voice overs m8. Although there may be reasons why. Interesting but we cannot hang ourselves on it.

try this one from a named and qualified doctor speaking on fox news.    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6A-fAvEEpI

Well worth 6 minutes of your time.

There is a very interesting contribution at about 5 mins in
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Listen lads, it is not worth engaging with the likes of Mex. ( there are also many others like Charlie and dave numbers as examples ( loved that description for our dave )

If you don't want to know you will never know.

I cannot afford to block him as i need to see what he is championing as it gives me a heads up to look at the complete opposite for the potential truth, however, for those who cannot put up with his nonsense it may be the only answer.

....same as with speeding tickets, if you accept a fixed penalty notice then you are deemed to have consented

If you ignore a speeding ticket you get taken to court and will be fined.  If your speed is sufficiently excessive you don't ever get a ticket, you are summoned to appear in court.

I still don't know what point you are trying to make. If you commit an offence listed in the coronavirus act, you will do to court and be fined or jailed as appropriate.

*go to court

humanity is doomed

trilby22
Date Joined: 21 Aug 10

What do you make of this one fellas?

An ICU nurse of 30 years speaks out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCgea5o3ALU&feature=youtu.be
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John.W.Henry.
Date Joined: 20 Sep 11

I dont like anonymous voice overs m8. Although there may be reasons why. Interesting but we cannot hang ourselves on it.

try this one from a named and qualified doctor speaking on fox news.    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6A-fAvEEpI

Well worth 6 minutes of your time.

There is a very interesting contribution at about 5 mins in
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/all-charges-under-new-coronavirus-act-unlawful-2czfpt79n

having read this article & this thread its easy to see who knows what they are talking about & who the bluffers are

Just read through this and noted that Wonder caused Mex to stumble over his own usual tripe. Great stuff Wonder