ROBERT JENRICK

so whatever reason a government  3 month in with an 80 seat maj, have from a handpicked cabinet
dpris
cummings
mr gove
lizz truzz
pritti patel
notsocleverly
Williamson
mr rees mugg
bobby jenrick
mrs cofey
who they cant trust in front of press during a world crisis , and jose mourhinio thinks he has selection problems,and theres probably a good few others not named, larry and Dylan last seen warming up in downing street

I can understand his journey to his parents as not doing so is committing a cardinal sin worse than any political decision he'll ever have to make in the future, if he has one. But, journey to family "undeclared" home  in Hertfordshire whilst working in London on 2 separate occasions is taking the biscuit; he's not one for exercise.

I thought everyone of us in the present climate has to make some sort of sacrifice eg give up work due to "lockdown"; shop infrequently and only if necessary; short exercise outside once a day.

Yet this plonker has done none of that eg continue to work in London; drive to his "undeclared" family home; do Samaritan work for his parents; his constituency in Nottingham. So, what has he sacrificed during this "lockdown"? I understand he's a minister, but he's still gallivanting between London, his constituency in Nottingham and "family" home in Hertfordshire.

I wouldn't trust the current cabinet on a park bench never mind the front bench in the Commons
Where's Righteous-Smog at the moment ...he's like the Scarlet Pimpernel

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You won’t see Jenrick in front of lectern any time soon.

Seriously IT

Would you want that man to deliver food to your home?

Do you realise. Calderwood did not endanger anyone? Jendrick endangered his whole family

^

So you think that anyone that goes to work in an essential role e.g. running the government, NHS, delivery drivers and so on should not see their kids until this over?

Maybe you are right as anyone that leaves the home and goes back into to is endangering the household.

Both him and his wife spend the week working in London.
They have three young children.

Where do they go to school?
London, Newark, or Herefordshire ?

Schools are shut. Maybe they go to boarding schools. Not really relevant as they have been living in Herefordshire since the lockdown as I understand it.

It is relevant if the kids go to school in London.

Or in Newark, where he rents a home at £2,000 per month which is paid for out of public funds.

Your replies obfuscate the truth IT .. Jenrick was wrong to do what he did particularly when he was preaching the Gov't rules and expecting everyone to adhere to them using the police if necessary .. you know it as well as anybody on here so why defend what is indefensible

From his website

Robert is married to Michal, and together they have three young daughters. They live in Southwell near Newark, and in London.

Maybe that's how Bojo and the others got infected ie gallivanting from one meeting/group of people then to family. What a bunch of plonkers? I hope they've learned from what's happening with Bojo.

A fine Chap obviously an emergency run with food and Medicine for his Parents .. Well done Rob ...

how dare the crypto fascist new progressives on here  tell a bloke he can't visit his family

fascists to a man from the guardianistas

What happened to the local community delivery service? His parents were on their list and already being helped. He cannot gallivant from one property to the next in this climate - minister or no minister. I hope this's signed his political death-nail.

A former MP described him as "arrogantly selfish".

Hey moisok, as you are a little red book holding, Labour Party member of forty five years standing, do you support Jenrick having three houses, letting one out and travelling back and forwards with his family between them under the current guidelines?

I would like as many houses as possible  - it is a good idea to let out your property for holidays but not sure about long term lets.
Another friend of mine has three but uses two  several months of the year.

Property can be a very good investment over time

as well as soccerball betting.

Fascist new progressives like your lot fantasypunter would stop us from doing anything at any time any where in normal times.
You simply hate opposition.  Your way is the only way - we know your type

As a conservative voter as I am myself,

moisok, as you are a little red book holding, Labour Party member of forty five years standing, do you support Jenrick having three houses, letting one out and travelling back and forwards with his family between them under the current guidelines?

PP I was expecting a thank you on the "OAKES" thread , have you no manners ??

I am not defending anyone.

I am asking the general question... should ministers and others doing essential work be allowed see their kids during lockdown if their work is in a different location to where their family is living?

I notice none of the haters are willing to answer that one.

Are his parents 3 monthers ?? My Mo in law is not had to get her Shopping yestrday , the cupboards were bare ...

Hey Case.  Is your wife's maiden name Hubbard?

and does your MiL have a dog?

its the complete and utter arrogance,entitlement that stinks ,everyone elese either in jest or een serious when they put their shoes wonders,jokes with wife that's your 2nd dog walk today etc etc,but this fella is driving round the country doping more miles than alan whiker,visiting more houses than a postman and thinks he,s doing nothing wrong and justifies it by saying its within the guidelines,whilst the rest of us arnt even visiting parents,grandkids,grandparents within a mile of us,if he doesn't go forget what any government minister, pcplod telling you there are no guidelines ,at least no guidelines that cant be explained away,
plod don't give him a visit buyt fgind tgime to tell a bloke he cant sit in his own garden and searching peoples shopping basket, predict civil un rest shortly

raab could sack him but wont because he,s one of doris,s best friend s, another tory failing rees mugs intelligent test

Dog yes , Hubbard no Tril

despite  lord rees mugs opinion I,m pretty convinced that every single cabinet minister ,would giving enough rope,all of

got burned alive in Grenfell
all managed to catch the virus
and all managed to  break their own lockdown guidelines and social distancing rules,

rees mugg must be highly embarrassed to be forced to sit around a table with them,

So what about this Jenrick fella, Case?  Has he actually done a Calderwood or is it just the usual suspects talking pish?  I've not been following the story.

I think people who have made a pile deserve their higher status in life.  If you ain't then it is tough luck and you ain't going to get any of mine so just stow it.

Thees mps are the ones that have been caught!
How many say one thing and then do the opposite?
It's almost as if they don't truly believe what they are told to say on covid!

Apr 10, 2020 -- 3:29PM, InsiderTrader wrote:

I am not defending anyone.I am asking the general question... should ministers and others doing essential work be allowed see their kids during lockdown if their work is in a different location to where their family is living?I notice none of the haters are willing to answer that one.

Clearly it makes perfect sense for Jenrick, his wife, and their three young daughters to live in the same property during the lockdown.
But what is their usual home ?

It has been reported that his wife works in London during the week, we don't know if his kids go to school in London.

If the kids do go to school in London, then he has taken them away from a hotspot and moved to a second home, something the good folks of Cornwall were requesting others not to do.

If his kids do not school in London, when does Jenrick and his wife ever see them ?

Disclose the full facts.

he,ll go for lying now anyway probably because he,s calling the house their at their main home despite everyone who no,s him,paperwork etc think his Newark house is his main house away from London,the journo,s now checking kids school arrangements,council tax arrangements,commons expenses claims etc etc,
expect more u turns,clarifications and probably resignation eventually ,best go before he embarrasses best friend doris ,during his recovery

He apparently claims for the Newark house, £2k a month rent.

!st time   i don't get your post sorry  your grandma is worser than wot mine iz

handjob hancock rejoins the fun and games, by asking 10 of his staff into his small office breaking every social distancing rule seems to be a common theme with nhs staff and workers,all absolute morons,obviously hancock as he,s told us all,thinks he,s superman now and wont get it again,so couldn't give a fooook

to be fair to jenrick in years gone by he,d have been in a bunker with ann Widdicombe ,not the worst outcome to be locked away with pritti patel,

Thank goodness no one from my party has broken any rules.

Will be interesting to see who has drawn the short draw to attend todays briefing.
Equally interesting to see if they continue with the recently introduced courtesy of allowing journalists a follow up question

3 cabinet ministers plus their advisor have had the symptoms of Covid-19; Hancock'd recovered, Bojo's reportedly getting better and Gove in isolation. No news about the advisor DC, which means there's a weak link in the chain of government regards Covid-19 virus.

I'd expect ministers and others doing "essential" work be allowed to see their kids during lockdown. Nevertheless, it has to been kept to a minimal for fear of contracting the virus. If one is a member of the inner cabinet responsible for making the day-to-day decision about Covid-19 then probably not esp given 3 cabinet members have been struck down with the symptoms; the more exposure to unrelated people the more chance of getting the virus.

And, if the MP/cabinet minister is advising the public about the ways to minimise the chance of contracting Covid-19 like Mr Jenrick is then the answer will be no, "he must not gallivant from his work place to the family home everyday" for his own sake, his family's sake, the cabinet and people he'd be meeting in the coming days. If so, he ought to be working from home as much as possible.

I'm sure a better way could have been found.

That makes sense impossible.

Same for doctors and nurses. Should they really see their family between shifts?

handjob got todays gig,jenrick must be worried handjob would sell his grandma if he thought it was of benefit to himself,

The government’s daily coronavirus press briefing is due to begin shortly and will be fronted by the health secretary Matt Hancock.
He will be joined by the deputy chief medical officer for England, Jonathan Van-Tam and the chief nursing officer for England, Ruth May.

who,d have thought in the midst of a world crisis handjob would manage to give his 500th shout out  to burberry,the chavs and football hoolies must be gutted

Some doctors esp those treating Covid-19 patients have been living apart from their families so that they do not infect them; some hospital nurses on the frontline and carers in care homes have done the same too as far as I know. This is a sensible course of action.

And, I hope these NHS staff and carers who are risking their lives daily will as a token of appreciation for their sterling work in this health crisis a meaningful financial reward and a certificate to recognise the role they each play after this crisis.

North East & Yorkshire appears the slowest (to catch on).

probably more likely  to be the last to be hit

bearing in mind what the spokespeople have said today lets get to the question ... why did Jenrick flout the rules

yeah as nearly 1000 people had their deaths recorded being covid 19 positive, the priority question is why a minister traveled home

No ruth, laura or pest today, the small things.

if enough people keep flouting the rules which is likely when supposedly able (sic) ministers are allowed to crcumvent them it is a relevant question
the number of deaths will go down when EVERYBODY abides by the rules

If any minister flouted the rules I would quite agree. Travelling home to his wife and three kids is not quite a house party.

LBC ask about inbound flights. Minister and experts say no point in stopping the flights. Why?

Because the virus is already here...

So we can’t drive to a park but an Italian can fly here unchecked. Utter garbage. Lies lies and more lies.

Dumfukkery of the highest order!

One minute they say if you use masks it will take away from NHS they say the evidence points to use of masks not being effective.....so why do the NHS wear them!

Dum Fukks!

People can fly in from New York but you can’t sunbathe even if isolated

handjob delighted nhs hasn't been over run,always handy to have 900 a day dying to keep freeing up beds, contrary to what they say the nhs been over run will be a sign the death rate is slowing and beds not getting freed up, if people were very ill but not dying we,d be 5000 beds short now

bikers,walkers,park goers getting a kicking but not a word from anyone about jenrick doing a tour of the midlands

Not everyone has a deep rooted seething gene

If buzz feed won't do it, your luck might be out!

they have for shoppers,kids and mams in parks,barbecues in gardens, etc etc snitcher,s plod everywhere

JVT is a good egg.

He ought to have been more forthcoming given the scrutiny he'd be under given his role ie declared his home in Hertfordshire is his present family home and the London (declared) one prior to or since the lockdown. I also think he'd have asked his Party or a senior cabinet minister about his need to help out his parents when their local community is helping out too.

What he's done is giving the impression he'd do as he pleases because he's a minister. And, travelling to and from work to his family daily in Hertfordshire does not correlate with the advice he's been giving to the nation which is extremely naive given his brief.

I do not think he's connected to the joe public society.

cider you were happy to start a thread about 'lefties' not understanding the very simple government slogan- stay at home  protect the nhs save lives, now you are excusing a government minister. obviously the slogan isnt the same as the actual policy so perhaps it is no surprise the public are a bit confused.

JVT a veritable genius

Do not wear masks for you own safety

What a Dum Fukk!

I will not be looking to him for safety advice!

Jenrick is a key worker, that's why he was in London. He drove home to where his family is living, hardly a complex situation to have a grip of.

regardless of jenrick, both gove and the pm werent even sure of the policy and gave either incorrect or misleading information at one time or another.

the slogan is not the policy, are you telling me you havent left your house?

Injera, I wish the questioner could have asked why (post the answer) given Italy is in the thick of it. Maybe that's the drawback of a digital Press Conference.

There are four reasons to be able to leave home, being a key worker is one of them.

so your blanket description of 'lefties' not understanding the slogan is incorrect, thank you.

Not all lefties obviously, the ones playing dumb were.

the pm didnt know his own rules. a few days before mothering sunday he was asked if he was going to see his mum and he answered that he hoped to get to see her. this was against government guidance at the time. a clarification had to to be issued saying he would skype her.

a table of the advice at the time -
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/government-issues-new-advice-everyone-17935827

over 70s strongly advised against having friends and family to the house which is exactly what the pm was planning on doing.

here are three reports of what he said and there is clearly contradictory advice in there, at the press conference he says different things about over 70s in the space of a few sentences.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/coronavirus-boris-johnson-hopes-see-21727894

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-mum-coronavirus-mothers-day-self-isolate-tv-address-today-a9415496.html

https://www.andoveradvertiser.co.uk/news/18323150.pm-hopeful-seeing-mother-sunday-despite-word-warning-elderly/


micahel gove went on gmtv and was asked whether the children of split parents could move houses, he said 'you should not be moving children from home to home.” but he added there will be children with unique vulnerabilities and needs, where their situation may be different. half an hour later he went on the bbc to 'clarify' (because as a politician he couldnt just admit he got it wrong) that children could move between homes.

clearly the original poster is confused between the government's stated rules and a slogan that doesnt correctly express those rules. you can leave your house for quite a few reasons. he shouldnt need this explained to him but there we are.

all the way through this saga the government's messaging has been extremely poor, it is inconsistent. no wonder some of the public are confused.com and unfortunately there are also many idiots out there, it has absolutely zero to do with political persuasion.

been a key worker doesn't allow you to travel 40 miles to see your parents
doesn't allow you to float between 3/4 adresses

according to government there is absolutely no difference between a key worker and a non key worker who cant work from home

it does if you are filming homes under the hammer

Cider, I understand, but 3 cabinet ministers including their advisor have developed symptoms thus clearly there's a weak link somewhere within the government communication network. And, this will need to be fixed asap otherwise any of the remaining ministers could succumb.

autistic people can leave their homes multiple times a day after a court case victory.

all i am saying is that the rules are not clear cut, confusing messages all the way through this from the government havent helped.

The scottish cmo was travelling with her whole family back and forth. The fact that she had no good reason to do so is patently obvious. I'm sure all MPs outside the M25 went home to their families, Jenrick is a minister so left later to carry out duties and did a skype interview once he was home. Trying to hang him for it is desperate stuff.

So it was ok for the press to ask multiple questions of her but not to ask questions of Jenrick.

Her position was untenable. Joe Pike actually asked about Jenrick at the Scottish briefing earlier today, only he would know why.

personally, i am not hanging him, it just shows the rather simplistic slogan doesnt actually represent what the policy is.

Apr 10, 2020 -- 6:16PM, Cider wrote:

Her position was untenable. Joe Pike actually asked about Jenrick at the Scottish briefing earlier today, only he would know why.

He was hardly going to get clarity from Nicola Sturgeon.

He works in London , his wife works in london . I would guess his children school in London . He has two homes in London , another "home" in Herefordshire and a rented property in his constituency paid for by the tax payer . He obviously sent his family away from London to be safer . Lucky he has that option but it is a "Do what I say , not what I do ." , attitude ......

it also adds to confusion and resentment for the public, a wealthy government minister with multiple homes has a lot easier time than those cooped up in inner cities.

Apr 10, 2020 -- 6:17PM, jollyswagman wrote:

personally, i am not hanging him, it just shows the rather simplistic slogan doesnt actually represent what the policy is.

I move that 99.9% of people know the rules. The rules themselves are not unclear. The reason why I started the thread you referenced was to discuss the leftist agenda to create the false narrative that they aren't clear.

The 0.1% being cabinet ministers.

i refer you to my earlier post where i listed the pm and gove not understanding their own rules, look at the link to the mirror it includes footage of the pm contradicting himself and his own government's advice in the space of a few sentences.  gove gave incorrect advice on gmtv and then not long after had to say something completely different on the bbc. of course as a politician he couldnt just say what he had said earlier was wrong, instead he said he was clarifying his earlier comments or some such rubbish.

the highest politicians in the land do not understand their own rules. some people are indeed dumb, some are confused and some dont care. it isnt evidence of a leftist agenda.

(btw i am definitely not a leftie i just dont appreciate the way you framed it).

The leftist agenda was the media reporting that people didn't know if sunbathing counts as exercise.

although rent claims,schooling,council bills will show different I,m sure the good folk of Newark are celighted to no their constituency mp regards his local home as his 3rd home
from a 2nd/3rd home he lectured people live on tv quoting the quenn to stay at home obey the rules, if wasn't bad enough then visited his aty risk parents to drop stuff off which local people and volunteers were already dropping off

As I pointed out, they were trying to give people an excuse for not following the rules. I don't believe anyone could conceivably genuinely think that sunbathing is exercise.

Cider, that can only happen in the UK. Sunbathing a form of exercise? It's an alternative to being a couch potato except one is being fried in the sun.

From his own website
Robert is married to Michal, and together they have three young daughters. They live in Southwell near Newark, and in London.

Apr 10, 2020 -- 6:40PM, impossible123 wrote:

Cider, that can only happen in the UK. Sunbathing a form of exercise? It's an alternative to being a couch potato except one is being fried in the sun.

After Ridge asked Matt Hancock about some people being confused still, and was he saying people couldn't sunbathe under the one exercise per day for an hour maximum exemption, SKy News were running the breaking news ticker 'Matt Hancock states sunbathing is banned in the UK'

cider thanks for that, i missed that bit. maybe looking for a story but not a leftist agenda, imo. you think differently.

what about the pm and gove not understanding their own advice? if the government dont understand their own advice or if the rich (jenrick) have more acceptable reasons to move around then dont be surprised if the public are confused or think they can ignore the official advice.

rolling news need headlines/stories   some people are morons

For what it is worth, I believe this issue with Jenrick to be little more than a storm in a teacup.

However, many will see it as described by jollyswagman i.e. a wealthy government minister with multiple homes ensuring that his family have a more comfortable time than those cooped up in inner cities.

All he had to do was come out with a statement that displayed just a hint of contrition, story laid to rest.
Instead, we get a standard "ride it out" dismissal, and Jenrick will now be placed in to isolation along with Patel.

Calderwood at least had the courage to come out and face the media who were baying for her blood.

people understood like me or thought they understood a key worker was a worker who,s job was on government list and employers would furlough everyone else, then tory mp, after tory mp went on tv to say anyone who couldn't work from home had to continue to go to work unless their boss said otherwise, basically within 48 hrs there was no such thing as a key worker,just people who couldn't work from home

Apr 10, 2020 -- 6:52PM, jollyswagman wrote:

cider thanks for that, i missed that bit. maybe looking for a story but not a leftist agenda, imo. you think differently.what about the pm and gove not understanding their own advice? if the government dont understand their own advice or if the rich (jenrick) have more acceptable reasons to move around then dont be surprised if the public are confused or think they can ignore the official advice.rolling news need headlines/stories   some people are morons

jolly, once one sees the left agenda in the mainstream media, one can't unsee it! I was never political at all until the majority of MPs in parliament at the time tried to overturn the referendum result. There are genuine people on the left side of politics, but they are swamped by the more vocal types that can't abide an opinion that differs from their own. I'm happy to debate anyone on any topic as long as they remain relatively civil.

Likely there have been times where the government and advisers haven't been able to follow the letter of all the guidance. They have been working for us though, it's not happened for selfish reasons. Mostly due to the ancient, antiquated nature of #10 and Westminster parliament where people are squeezed into limited spaces. Hindsight is a great thing and let's be honest, not many people thought the situation we're in now was a genuine prospect even a month ago. CV 19 is genuinely the silent and invisible killer.

the majority of MPs in parliament at the time tried to overturn the referendum result - that is a different subject but the current pm voted against leaving the eu twice and the current home secretary voted against leaving three times. in contrast hammond and gauke both voted to leave the eu four times but because they wanted parliament to have an appropriate amount of time to examine the final withdrawal bill they were purged from the conservative party. if the erg had voted en bloc the original withdrawal bill would have had enough votes to pass on the third attempt, the erg stopped brexit.

you started a thread or went on a thread where you said you liked cummings because he triggers lefties. a few weeks ago (before lock down but after some panic buying had occurred) kuenssberg reported that a government source had told her that london was to be locked down. this would undoubtedly have led to even more panic buying. the very next day when asked about this the pm said london would not be locked down. this was a reckless lie to spread, imo, whoever that government source was (usually its cummings) should have been sacked for spreading disinformation and charged with misfeasance in public office. this is a scandal yet the 'leftie' media have made nothing out of it.

there was a covid 19 thread on here that got deleted, i cant remember when it started but i think it was more than a month ago. the people on it expressing concern have been proved correct.

you are all basically fascists  - who would stop a geezer wanting to visit his mum

you are all disgusting and just using this situation to make political capital on a tiny insignificant gambling forum

go look at your pathetic selves  ha ahahahahahahah

Although I'm happy to debate anything like I said, I don't really have any appetite to rehash the Brexit arguments again! Let's just say that my opinion is that the majority of MPs wanted to overturn the result of the referendum. I referenced that subject only because that is what sparked my interest in politics, not because I wanted to cover well worn arguments again.

Your second para is pure supposition. Apart from Kuenssberg reporting an apparent leak from an apparent unnamed source. The BBC is a public broadcaster anyway, has a duty of care and should not be reporting hearsay and speculation via unnamed 'government sources' in my view. I stand by my assertion that Cummings triggers the leftist mainstream media. Often by design I suspect.

I said not many people thought the situation we're in now was a genuine prospect even a month ago. The world markets started properly crashing on 5th March so I should correct that it was actually a little over a month ago. Time perception is a bit off key at the moment

Maybe you would like to debate how come the Prime Minister, The Health Secretary and The Chief Medical Officer also the mother of Dorris’s unborn child all got the virus and today the Deputy Chief Medical Officer said do t bother wearing a mask becaus3 the benefits were unproven scientifically?

Should we listen to the people in charge?

THEY DO NO KNOW  and it appears only the chinese lab know

think about it

if you know how to control it

if you can control it  etc