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Special Report - Johnson Listened To His Scientists About Coronavirus
Special Report - Johnson Listened To His Scientists About Coronavirus
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Pity about you Just Checking,ignore that report and carry on in your own bubble.
A factual account,way too brutal and to the bone, you then say "lefties", unreal. |
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Just Checking..you are pleased with our governments actions?
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By the end of January, scientists in China began releasing clinical data. Case studies published in the British medical journal, The Lancet, showed 17% of the first 99 coronavirus cases needed critical care. Eleven patients died. Another Chinese study, in the same magazine, warned starkly of a global spread and urged: “Preparedness plans and mitigation interventions should be readied for quick deployment globally.”
Edmunds recalled that “from about mid January onwards, it was absolutely obvious that this was serious, very serious.” Graham Medley, a professor of infectious diseases modelling at the London School and chairman of SPI-M, agreed. He said that the committee was “clear that this was going to be big from the first meeting.” At the end of January, his committee moved into “wartime” mode, he said, reporting directly into SAGE. IN PLAIN ENGLISH, COULD NOT BE CLEARER BUT NOTHING STOPS BORIS FROM THE PERCEIVED GLORY OF BREXIT MURDERING SCUM |
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What a vile hateful bigoted moron.
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as per the article Edmunds was an outlier. It is not at all clear that his opinions were passed on to ministers by the group as a whole.
Raising the threat level to 'moderate' on Jan 30th hardly indicates to ministers it is time to impose lockdowns etc and SAGE dismissing a lockdown as late as March 12th....... |
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He spoke up,you collude.
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ISOLATION PERIOD IS 14 DAYS, YOU ARE STILL A SPREADER AFTER YOU BECOME WELL AGAIN
14 DAYS UNLESS A TORY WHO DO WHATEVER THEY LIKE WITH NO REGARD FOR OTHERS |
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The cabinet met, were advised, took no action..........
WHERE ARE THE VENTILATORS |
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The public still demonstrating that we would have needed a police state to effect a lockdown despite daily news figures that should do the trick.
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In Ireland by law this Easter,if you travel beyond the 2k limit without due course, key worker or chemist, it's 2500 fine and up to 6 months jail time.
People will stay in or face the wrath. However thousands perhaps, but many anyway have already arrived by boat from the UK and across the border. On this occasion they will receive a very hostile welcome.. |
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My take on the article is that there is more left unsaid than said.
It alludes to tensions within the various groups feeding advice to government, but mostly it alludes to groupthink. There will have been individuals who attempted to raise concerns that this virus was much more serious than allowed for in pandemic planning exercises. There will have been individuals who attempted to express their beliefs that the British public would willingly embrace strict lockdown measures if the message was suitably delivered. But, for reasons that we can only speculate on, these beliefs were unable to be given the weighting that they merited. I don’t think that the article is particularly critical of Johnson, I don’t think it is particularly critical of the process by which advice is delivered to government. Instead, it tends towards the Swiss cheese model that is so often cited in the subsequent analysis of planning and execution failures. A series of failures took place, the failsafes that would have trapped the first failure were simply not present or similarly failed, the domino effect kicked in. For now, we are where we are, with a lot more crucial decisions remaining to be made than those that have already been taken. I just hope that the undefined impediments that appear to have hindered the response to date do not continue to hinder the many big decisions still to be made. |
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they are still arguing amongst themselves about the next step.
science cant make decisions about what we do, thats up to government. you cant expect them to get everything right, that would be impossible,...but you cant defend all the mistakes that have been made. lots of stuff to learn from when its over, but not many folk looking good....except qe2 perhaps, |
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Lots of eminent medical and scientific experts inputting to the process, lots of egos, lots of professional rivalry.
Who knows what the dynamics of these various groups looked like, who knows which individuals had the ear of certain special advisers. Good leadership cuts through all of the negative aspects that invariably exist within such powerful and influential groups. Good leadership fosters a culture whereby the greater good overcomes self interest. Far too early to be arriving at conclusions as to how this crisis has been handled, but not too early to be considering how future decisions can be better than those that have already been taken. |
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This thread did boil over but Godwin's Law hasn't been reached yet.
Godwin's Law states that as an online argument grows longer and more heated, it becomes increasingly likely that somebody will bring up Adolf Hitler or the Nazis. Well Done Forumites! |
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^ You just brought it up !
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This governments' idea of being proactive is do absolutely nothing then find someone else to blame.
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its all guesswork as far as i can see.
so following what works in italy or france or spain whilst being ready to clampdown on social interaction looks the safest way forward for government. |
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Computer models with a large number of assumptions, so yes, informed guesswork, but guesswork none the less.
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pick the right guesser to advise you
tough for government to know who is going to be right. which tipster will pick the derby winner ... |
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You can never guarantee that you will arrive at the correct decision, but the closest that you can get is to ensure that you have a strong decision making process.
Have a deep understanding of your own blind spots and prejudices. Demand that you receive a manageable range of divserse views, a series of options from which to form an opinion, ask questions and probe the responses before taking a decision. |
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....and explain why you took that advice, cut out the lies.
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And hopefully it amounts to something a bit more substantial than rock, paper, scissors
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Poetic Justice that Boris Johnson has caught it himself?
Still I hope he recovers I would not wish anyone dead |
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Perhaps he exhausted himself mentally getting us out the EU?
He has been a little slow dealing with the virus |
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Nothing prepares a chancer for having to manage the response to a national crisis.
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if this is the response to a deadly virus let loose upon an innocent world by a vile murderous dictatorship i cannot wait to hear what the same people who pour scorn on the govt. that had to deal with this unprecedented nastiness have to say about those that are responsible for it, lied about it, made it many times worse by keeping it secret for 6 weeks(who knows how many more corpses) and are killing those who tried to stop it. and using the state army of internet bots to lie about it
that will be quite something. except it wont |
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If China has released the real figs everybody would have been petrified but the lock down would have happened far earlier and saved hundred of thousands of lives
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We only really needed to lock down the OLD tbh...but we are not bright enough to see that oh well
and younger ones with underlying health conditions because they are the ones catch it So why lock down the healthy??????????????????? |
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Judging by the quality of posts on here, and the overall intelligence level, perhaps a police state is your best hope. Bernard Matthews springs to mind.I
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Just Checking 08 Apr 20 21:09 Joined: 25 Jun 06
I think one of my main memories of all this won't be the lockdown, it'll be the final proof of just how disgusting the little hateful lefties politicising all this, rewriting history over and over, and spouting total bilge 24/7. Bigotry and prejudice to the max. I sincerely hope that will be one of your most abiding memories Just Checking |
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Looking at his post in the cold light of day, do you think that he may be concede that he was being somewhat hysterical and melodramatic
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No of course he won’t
He is typical of people who cannot see what they are in the mirror and are so one dimensional in their thinking they can only put up one narrative and seem incapable of questioning. They are followers not leaders and the hypocrisy at criticising people for bile, bigotry and prejudice shows exactly how small minded and of limited intelligence they are. There is little point in having a discussion with most of them although I concede there are a few who are clearly intelligent and interesting but rarely elucidate their views so it is hard to engage them. |
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OP for Stewarts Rise.
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What is it with all this 'our great NHS' as if it's the envy of the world like the BBC is supposed to be. They are both shíte. Germany's health system is the envy of the world. British politicians seem to spout an awful load of shíte about being best in the world at numerous different things. As soon as you hear a politician say that you know he is waffling.
Both Bojo and Hancock came out and said they were prepared for a pandemic. Complete lies and take everything they say with a pinch of salt. |