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Dumb remainers still support these fk wits?

the break up of the eu is the next big crisis

"the break up of the eu is the next big crisis "
Yes I've been reading lots of commentators saying this has been a disaster for the EU, not just a couple Eurosceptics, commentators in the EU, in the US etc. Basically the northern countries leaving Spain/Italy out to dry and the PI[-G]S countries thinking a whole lot of "well **** you then". Italy was already well fecked off. It's a lack of solidarity and help in time of need .. I'm sure, despite being able to enjoy the huge unheard of current economy and job saving injection solidarity from being part of the UK, money that it would never have been able to afford itself if it had went independent in 2014 with the huge deficit and lack of ability to get cheap credit (a bailout the EU would never have given), as oil hits 18 year lows and yet more job losses there look to be coming, the SNP will STILL want Scotland to leave and join the EU.

Apr 8, 2020 -- 1:04PM, Just Checking wrote:

"the break up of the eu is the next big crisis "Yes I've been reading lots of commentators saying this has been a disaster for the EU, not just a couple Eurosceptics, commentators in the EU, in the US etc. Basically the northern countries leaving Spain/Italy out to dry and the PI[-G]S countries thinking a whole lot of "well **** you then". Italy was already well fecked off. It's a lack of solidarity and help in time of need .. I'm sure, despite being able to enjoy the huge unheard of current economy and job saving injection solidarity from being part of the UK, money that it would never have been able to afford itself if it had went independent in 2014 with the huge deficit and lack of ability to get cheap credit (a bailout the EU would never have given), as oil hits 18 year lows and yet more job losses there look to be coming, the SNP will STILL want Scotland to leave and join the EU.

???????

Refusing to issue bonds to help the effected countries.

At the same time Trump in America is going the opposite way getting trillions in federal bonds to help the states.

Countries like the Netherlands think why should we pay for Italy and Spain?

The big difference is people in Idaho think of themselves as Americans. People in the Netherlands think themselves as Dutch.

The Federal EU was never going to work due to this.

Been a massive costly experiment on the many but it has enriched the lucky few.

true but you make it sound like the usa doesnt enrich the lucky few

The Italian elections aren't due until 2023 but Salvini's League party currently clear in the polls.

Perhaps the EU should fracture into say 3 looser unions. The Latin or Southern union (PIGS), the Northern union (Germany/Netherlands/Denmark etc), and the Eastern union (Visegrad group plus Baltics). They might all be happier..

The Germans might want the Northern Union called the Central Powers of course

I think T=there is a 3 tier Europe eg Premier, JAM and Pariah; Covid-19 has exposed their ideology "all for one, and one for all". It's more like me (Premier) 1st, the rest 2nd eg a ban on ppe exports by Germany; gazumping on acquisition of ppe; the closing of borders, etc - some non_EU countries were still opening their borders to foreigners.

Did we see medics from Germany, France and Netherlands helping out Italy or Spain? Nope, Romania and Norway; Germany, France and Netherlands can talk-the-talk but walk-the-walk is a totally different matter.

Self-preservation precedes any agreed policy within the EU.

Even the BBC reporting the EU are a joke...

"The European Union risks failing as a project in the crisis, Italy's PM tells the BBC"

It took a worldwide virus pandemic for you remain mongs to see it lol.

I fully understand the criticism from eurolovers, but from eurosceptics that have been all us and only us for years, yay control over our money, boo anything paneuropean, boo less economic powerful pariah states, boo giving a cent to anything about the EU or other countries (foreign aid)...it seems a tad silly.

In particular the issuing of eurobonds is a big step away from national sovereignty. A good step for the federalists. Weird to see the EU enemies come out in support for a step towards less sovereignty.

...and, maybe unsurprisingly, I somehow have some minor doubts if they'd support it if the UK was still a member of the EU

One also has to ask what devices the likes of Italy would have available to them without EU membership.

Germans shltting it cos they have all the money

The eurobonds thing is just a plot by the federalists. The EU countries can and will help through a much enhanced ERM and ECB without going that unnecessary route.

Apr 9, 2020 -- 10:02AM, saddo wrote:

Germans shltting it cos they have all the money

Yeah no suprise most hospital beds, testing kits everything...Germany are the EU, 2 wars? no they won...but the proud brexiteers started their cancelation!

They got that cocky with VW emmisions etc, the games up EU, your members list in 2030...

GERMANY

Not our fault we worked harder than you and didn't cancel our entire producing sector to have more waiters.

The UK could have more hospital beds than everyone else if it wasn't the world's by far biggest enabler of corporate tax dodging.

On Mr. Ferrari btw.

https://twitter.com/JenniferMerode/status/1247867962486374400

Very good Saddo,

Remember your buds Edy, Lisbon2 and all that,we paid it all back the last time and will consider paying some of it back this time,failing that schnapps or a few Nenas to help those self isolating on the Dingle penninsula.

Apr 9, 2020 -- 10:16AM, edy wrote:

Not our fault we worked harder than you and didn't cancel our entire producing sector to have more waiters.

*and sell the little production that is left to the ****g Germans, Chinese and Indians...along with a lot of the infrastructure.

That's Chiiiinnnnnnnnnnna to you Mr Edy

I don't think you're meant to prolong the consonant n like that. Would probably come across as stuttering if you tried to say it like that.

Good grief, the old chestnut about hard-working Germans again. Industrial productivity is all about investment, automation and organisation. In those respects, Germany has been quite successful.

I thought they got the turks to do it for them

And if you want better engine pollution figures? Just make em up.

Apr 9, 2020 -- 12:15PM, Foinavon wrote:

Good grief, the old chestnut about hard-working Germans again. Industrial productivity is all about investment, automation and organisation. In those respects, Germany has been quite successful.

Please, we all know Germans are all about saving up the Deutsche Mark, not spending or investing it. Schwarze Null and Sparbuch are all the hype.

Who do ya think invented austerity?

aust ria obviously

Germany is the most economically successful nation in the EU, and 4th or 5th in the world with the biggest surplus in 2017, according to wiki, even more than China as their exports are mainly heavy machinery, vehicles, etc, unlike China. But, China is investing for its future by buying in/up raw materials and commodities from Africa (mainly), and the rest of the world.

Germans are undoubtedly hardworking and productive - they are not shirkers - no doubt a lesson learned after the humiliating defeat in the 2nd World War. Similarly, Japan, another loser in that war. And, it's no coincidence these two countries have learned from it.

But, Germany and the Netherlands not helping out Italy - an EU founder - in this pandemic is insensitive and inexcusable esp after Germany agreeing to give mega annual handouts to new EU members of pariah economic status eg Poland and Bulgaria, etc, solely because these countries promote their cause ie acting as buffers against any possible invasion from Russia.

And, it was Norway and Romania who helped with sending medics to Italy none from either Germany, France, Netherlands, Spain, Luxembourg or Belgium - the senior EU members.

No, Austria only ever invented nasty and bad things. Did you know Austria only came to be because it was where we Germans banished our worst of the really bad, safely surrounded and locked away by mountains.

..then modern transporation made it possible for them to get out again

Germany has  btw. sent tons of stuff to Italy, taken in Italian patients and German doctors have also gone to Italy. I'd suspect a few of the other countries you mentioned also have. Not new from you though, impossible123, to just frankly talk out of your bumhole without having researched anything at all.

The Norwegian and Romanian medical staff you mentioned were deployed through an EU mechanism/programme btw.

But, Germany and the Netherlands not helping out Italy - an EU founder - in this pandemic is insensitive and inexcusable esp after Germany agreeing to give mega annual handouts to new EU members of pariah economic status eg Poland and Bulgaria, etc, solely because these countries promote their cause ie acting as buffers against any possible invasion from Russia.



why would modern day Russia want to invade Germany or any other non USSR country ?

But what have the Romans ever done for us? Eh?

The UK could have more hospital beds than everyone else if it wasn't the world's by far biggest enabler of corporate tax dodging.


....and we were besotted by a Healthcare System that sucks up money and that no other country in the world has replicated

What country would you model after?

edy supports the 4th reich and its poodle  the vichy french in their attempts to spread eastward in their latest landgrab but failed again

has this happened before

The EU is more important than the UK.

It is more important that the the EU prospers than that the UK prospers.

THE EU is fooked  and if they dont help Italy that will be another one gone ..

Apr 9, 2020 -- 2:30PM, moisok wrote:

edy supports the 4th reich and its poodle  the vichy french in their attempts to spread eastward in their latest landgrab but failed againhas this happened before

Yeah, even we are beginning to realize the march east is too problematic. Will go north west in our next landgrab and depopulate Great Britain for Lebensraum.

The low motivation of Leavers, wishing on the EU its demise, makes a civilised person vomit.

we all know where the arrogant (I'm allright jack) biscuit brain is coming from

A uk hater to his very core

why not pop over and join them

Yes the Italian PM wants them to leave he said the EU , is a shyte box run by Germans

Apr 9, 2020 -- 2:53PM, casemoney wrote:

Yes the Italian PM wants them to leave he said the EU , is a shyte box run by Germans

Did he really?

YES

Source?

The fact that I took rapid financial action to the protect my family from becoming poorer because of moisok (and others) voting for Brexit seems to nettle him. So, I must repeat: through these hard times, my family will always be all right.

You can have very nice coffee and cakes in Vienna. It's not all bad edy as I'm sure you know.

Will still be horrible because there'll be some Austrians around, even in Vienna.

Indeed, never trust anyone who puts figs in coffee.

Seems to be a concerted economic plan,the Dutch and Germans in.

Plenty of Funding Required for Merkles Marauders ...

The reason why Germany became the economic miracle is simple the country was split in half capitalism on one side communism on the  othe other West Germany was not allowed to fail the rest of the west made sure of that

Same everywhere Casemoney, i am happy to see the showing solidarity,bit of a free for all re borders last month alright,but everyone caught in the headlights, .

Half a trillion recovery fund,rejoice lads, ye got nearly 12 hours!

Hopefully after all of this the uk will rejoin the EU and let Germany guide us.

puppy eyes.

About turn ......

The German army has given 60 mobile ventilators to the UK. A ploy to beg us not to leave the cesspit of EU? 60...but only asap - what a gesture!

300 arrived from China today. I hope they will be checked and tested before the Covid-19 peak arrives.

I honestly think they would give you more and try and help if they could Impossible.

Apr 9, 2020 -- 10:39PM, impossible123 wrote:

The German army has given 60 mobile ventilators to the UK. A ploy to beg us not to leave the cesspit of EU? 60...but only asap - what a gesture!

I thought UK already left the EU?

Apr 10, 2020 -- 10:25AM, detraveller wrote:

Apr  9, 2020 --  9:39PM, impossible123 wrote:The German army has given 60 mobile ventilators to the UK. A ploy to beg us not to leave the cesspit of EU? 60...but only asap - what a gesture!I thought UK already left the EU?

Lol

Didn't you guys leave at the end of Jan? Or was that just the confirmation that you'll leave at some point in the future? I honestly don't know.

All I know is that my brexit January bet ended up a loser so I assumed it had happened.

You'll end up on ze list if you continue to question impossible123's wisdom and knowledge.

Norway sent medics and nurses to Italy, and Taiwan helped us with ventilators. But, the Germans banned the export of PPE to other EU members; EU member gazumped one another for PPE; Germany and Netherlands opposed to share the expense of tackling Covid-19 (in Italy) or any EU member. Instead they proposed a "loan" to be repaid later rather than an EU Covid-19 central fund.

At a time like the present every country esp those in close proximity ought to help one another whenever possible, and now just confined to membership of the Federal State of Europe only. In the case of Italy that did not happen either - money is paramount.

The holders of the money will naturally want to maintain their current advantage over the others when this is done. What if Italy can't repay any loan, will they be asset stripped like Greece?

nothing compared what china will be up to  -  europe up for sale !!!

a most satisfying conclusion for the chinese government

I am learning mandarin as fast as I can go

I know where the money is when the chips are down - and yes  the chinese do chips as well

The Norwegian medical staff were volunteers that were deployed to Italy through an EU programme that Norway is a member of. They were not "sent" by Norway per sé. Medical staff from other countries, including Germany, also went to Italy on a voluntary basis.

EU countries, including Germany, sent tons of PPE stuff to Italy.

If you want to mutualise debt, you also have to mutualise the budget policies. For that, you'd need a union that is a lot closer than it currently is. Not all members seem to be willing to give up sovereignty over their budgets.

Apr 10, 2020 -- 1:28PM, moisok wrote:

nothing compared what china will be up to  -  europe up for sale !!!a most satisfying conclusion for the chinese governmentI am learning mandarin as fast as I can goI know where the money is when the chips are down - and yes  the chinese do chips as well

The UK already mostly belongs to China.

'moisok', you are too old to be learning Chinese now. You'd be better off boycotting products from China, but not the Chinese food in your local takeaways/restaurants. The Chinese outside China are no friends of the Chinese government otherwise they'd have flocked home ages ago - China is a booming and a land of many opportunities.

EU = Nationalism before Solidarity. Even the big hitters eg Germany and France cannot agree; Germany and Netherlands vs France and Italy.

-  A few here must be disappointed the Eu has agreed the 470 BN bailout fund.  Italy is going nowhere as it is in bad need of EU help and will get it and they know it.

-  Also,its a bit tiresome that the EU-bashing persists even post-Brexit. Very clear some think Brexit is only a real success if EU breaks-up, its as if the UK alone leaves then somehow it wont be complete. Fact is UK will break-up long before EU ever will. Brexit is old news for EU - most countries just want to see the back of us, we are not that important

-  A thank you to Germany for sending us ventilators might be a bit more dignified than complaining its a devious plan to keep us in the EU. FFS

Also,its a bit tiresome that the EU-bashing persists even post-Brexit.

As I said I can actually understand some of it. Some of it must have been disappointing for europhiles. I just find it a bit silly that those who have been shouting "OUR MUNNIES!!!!!!!! OUR LAWS!!!!!!!!! OUR SOVEREIGNTY" the loudest for years as part of the brexit debate are now bemoaning that the EU is potentially not using the crisis to dramatically advance an ever closer, potentially irrreversible, union by mutualising debt (and with it budgets).