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I think the next step has to be for the Government to offer a vision of how we get out of this.
Obviousy, long-term, it's vaccination but that's too open-ended for the moment. People cannot cope with that, when the scientific consensus is we're 9-18 months away from something tested, safe and effective.
So it has to be testing.
Testing to see if you have ever had the virus and then confering a degree of freedom for those who HAVE had it and recovered and on the (tricky!) assumption that gives you immunty from ever getting it again.
You will have to carry papers (evoking visions of every authoritarian society you've ever imagined) or a writsband ....tattooo, hell, float with me on this but that is the only way forward I can see to restoring a degree of normality to society in the mid-term.
For now of course, it's all about staying in and hunkering down.
Obviousy, long-term, it's vaccination but that's too open-ended for the moment. People cannot cope with that, when the scientific consensus is we're 9-18 months away from something tested, safe and effective.
So it has to be testing.
Testing to see if you have ever had the virus and then confering a degree of freedom for those who HAVE had it and recovered and on the (tricky!) assumption that gives you immunty from ever getting it again.
You will have to carry papers (evoking visions of every authoritarian society you've ever imagined) or a writsband ....tattooo, hell, float with me on this but that is the only way forward I can see to restoring a degree of normality to society in the mid-term.
For now of course, it's all about staying in and hunkering down.
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Will social distancing evolve in to capitalist distancing ?
People wont tolerate others being let out whilst they arent. Its a totally ridiculous idea.
Italy are looking at the exit strategy
First when deaths are low the following will happen
1)Adults upto aged 30 years old will be allowed OUT
2)2 WEEKS LATER ADULTS AND CHILDREN upto age 40 will be allowed out
3)Further 2 weeks before adults upto 60 allowed out
4)Then another 6 weeks adult upto 70 will be allowed out
Now the bad news anyone over 70 will remain in lockdown for another 12 weeks!!!
Thus the death rate will be measured
First when deaths are low the following will happen
1)Adults upto aged 30 years old will be allowed OUT
2)2 WEEKS LATER ADULTS AND CHILDREN upto age 40 will be allowed out
3)Further 2 weeks before adults upto 60 allowed out
4)Then another 6 weeks adult upto 70 will be allowed out
Now the bad news anyone over 70 will remain in lockdown for another 12 weeks!!!
Thus the death rate will be measured
And what you have described is based entirely on age, not on the basis of health.
Letting people out on the basis they have had the virus you are trying to shield them from IF they carry the right papers would be a totally and utterly unacceptable solution.
1. We do not live in a 'your papers please' society.
2. It encourages people to get the disease.
3. It would mean having to test 66,000,000 people and record and issue papers which would be gobble resources. Some people would get tested before others causing riots.
It could work on a limited scale for NHS workers being allowed back to work but for the general public no chance.
1. We do not live in a 'your papers please' society.
2. It encourages people to get the disease.
3. It would mean having to test 66,000,000 people and record and issue papers which would be gobble resources. Some people would get tested before others causing riots.
It could work on a limited scale for NHS workers being allowed back to work but for the general public no chance.
you,d imagine schools will be 1st but will parents,teachers agree to be so called guinea,letting the so called covidiots out to fill pubs seems to miss the point
This is Great Britain. We didnt leave the EU so we could follow the Italian style of policing or a German ID card scheme.
We have our own history of standing up for freedom and liberty and we should be showing the world how its done
We have our own history of standing up for freedom and liberty and we should be showing the world how its done
Imposing a lockdown was the easy bit, unwinding it is quite a different proposition.
No easy solution.
No easy solution.
Some form of herd immunity, regardless of the term, is the outcome for every single place on the planet.
It's just we've shown we aren't adult enough now to deal with reality. The only difference for any of us is the angle of the infection curve......
It's just we've shown we aren't adult enough now to deal with reality. The only difference for any of us is the angle of the infection curve......
difference now been when herd immunity was 1st put forward discussed it was based on evidence saying young healthy people wernt effected and it still got ruled out,we now no that evidence is wrong so cant see that been the answer,here,usa,germany hospitals full of under 50,s no room to get the older people in
Herd immunity could be the only answer if we cant get a vaccine is a short time as its impractical to keep lock down for a long period.
Can you please define your understanding of herd immunity and how it would be achieved.
BASICALLY SELLING yellow rubber bands on ebay for a tenner,well that will be it after the 1st week,
handjob Handcock thinks he should be the pied piper of an exit strategy superman,immune but if he is immune he,s useless to a herd immunity plan,we want people who havnt had it to catch it of those who currently have it, he might as well be put him on lockdown because he,s of no help in either scenario
Just Checking 05 Apr 20 12:59
It's just we've shown we aren't adult enough now to deal with reality.
Im not sure theres enough evidence for that. Boris shut the pubs and cafes down on a Friday, we had one nice weekend to meet family and friends and and then he rolled the police out on Monday. Of course it was going to be difficult to persuade people to social distance but he hardly even tried. And it needs places like UK, US, scandinavia to take the lead on this sort of thing because very few others would.
How many opportunities like this can our species afford to squander to show that we can cooperate in a crisis without a threat of violence or tyranny? We need the opportunity to learn and yes, maybe fck up a bit to start with, to get through these trial runs amicably before a much bigger crisis comes along.
It's just we've shown we aren't adult enough now to deal with reality.
Im not sure theres enough evidence for that. Boris shut the pubs and cafes down on a Friday, we had one nice weekend to meet family and friends and and then he rolled the police out on Monday. Of course it was going to be difficult to persuade people to social distance but he hardly even tried. And it needs places like UK, US, scandinavia to take the lead on this sort of thing because very few others would.
How many opportunities like this can our species afford to squander to show that we can cooperate in a crisis without a threat of violence or tyranny? We need the opportunity to learn and yes, maybe fck up a bit to start with, to get through these trial runs amicably before a much bigger crisis comes along.
Pleasegive ... what precisely about anything you said contradicts anything I said?
The idea it will just "go away" if we wish hard enough, and it's Boris's fault if it doesn't ... err... er..
The idea it will just "go away" if we wish hard enough, and it's Boris's fault if it doesn't ... err... er..
Letting people out on the basis they have had the virus you are trying to shield them from IF they carry the right papers would be a totally and utterly unacceptable solution.
1. We do not live in a 'your papers please' society.
2. It encourages people to get the disease.
3. It would mean having to test 66,000,000 people and record and issue papers which would be gobble resources. Some people would get tested before others causing riots.
It could work on a limited scale for NHS workers being allowed back to work but for the general public no chance.
Under any other circumstances I'd agree with you. I think it's scandalous the way the press in particular, given there is no standing parliament and the official opposition have been rudderless for months, have not raised civil liberties once as an issue.
However, therein lies the answer to the first point you made - it appears that not only are we careering towrds a 'your papers please' society, the public mood is one of bovine acceptance of this, to the point where there are tales of the Police being overun by neighbours snitching on neighbours going ou more than once a day or for more than an hour. If the Government does crack down on the right of people to exercise outside of ther homes, due to the action of a tiny minority hell bent on that trip to Brockwell Park or to that barbeque, it'll be interesting to see if we bovinely accept it or if this is an infringement too far.
I hadn't thought people would delibertley try to get the disease in this situation - if a test showed you've never had it then you'd be classed (in Hanx's fantasy world) the same as someone who'd had it and recovered. But - duck! run ! hide! - is this a bad thing in the long game? Now THERE's a debate to be had!
Addressing your third point, I think one of the positive things to come from this crisis is the speed at which far-reaching decisions can be made. Witness the kitting out of Nightingale Hospitals in 9 days! Amazing what can be achieved when the focus is on clinical outcome rather than pushing papers around. The overarching point being that if we do get to 100,000 tests a day (yeah, okay....pause for laughter) then 66 million tests doesn't sound tht daunting. Yes it's a huge bureacratic exercise too but what's the alternative?
I should say I'm not committed to any of this, just riffing some ideasm because my fundamental point is that we have GOT to be given a vision of a way out of all this that's plausible and time-codified. If we're not then how long do you think we can just drift on, staying indoors?
1. We do not live in a 'your papers please' society.
2. It encourages people to get the disease.
3. It would mean having to test 66,000,000 people and record and issue papers which would be gobble resources. Some people would get tested before others causing riots.
It could work on a limited scale for NHS workers being allowed back to work but for the general public no chance.
Under any other circumstances I'd agree with you. I think it's scandalous the way the press in particular, given there is no standing parliament and the official opposition have been rudderless for months, have not raised civil liberties once as an issue.
However, therein lies the answer to the first point you made - it appears that not only are we careering towrds a 'your papers please' society, the public mood is one of bovine acceptance of this, to the point where there are tales of the Police being overun by neighbours snitching on neighbours going ou more than once a day or for more than an hour. If the Government does crack down on the right of people to exercise outside of ther homes, due to the action of a tiny minority hell bent on that trip to Brockwell Park or to that barbeque, it'll be interesting to see if we bovinely accept it or if this is an infringement too far.
I hadn't thought people would delibertley try to get the disease in this situation - if a test showed you've never had it then you'd be classed (in Hanx's fantasy world) the same as someone who'd had it and recovered. But - duck! run ! hide! - is this a bad thing in the long game? Now THERE's a debate to be had!
Addressing your third point, I think one of the positive things to come from this crisis is the speed at which far-reaching decisions can be made. Witness the kitting out of Nightingale Hospitals in 9 days! Amazing what can be achieved when the focus is on clinical outcome rather than pushing papers around. The overarching point being that if we do get to 100,000 tests a day (yeah, okay....pause for laughter) then 66 million tests doesn't sound tht daunting. Yes it's a huge bureacratic exercise too but what's the alternative?
I should say I'm not committed to any of this, just riffing some ideasm because my fundamental point is that we have GOT to be given a vision of a way out of all this that's plausible and time-codified. If we're not then how long do you think we can just drift on, staying indoors?
"Letting people out on the basis they have had the virus you are trying to shield them from IF they carry the right papers would be a totally and utterly unacceptable solution."
Nope, it's sensible. It makes totals sense.
I'm a libertarian and I see it makes sense. If they want to push it to create further ID checks and controls, THEN I'll get very angry.
But that was a Blair type thing, and we thankfuly have a liberal type PM.
Nope, it's sensible. It makes totals sense.
I'm a libertarian and I see it makes sense. If they want to push it to create further ID checks and controls, THEN I'll get very angry.
But that was a Blair type thing, and we thankfuly have a liberal type PM.
So people like Boris and Hancock that were lax in their understanding of the virus and caught it get the privilege of getting their papers (or biometric tracking id card/phone) stamp whilst the rest of us who took precautions get confined to house arrest.
Give me a break.
That is nonsense and the 50m plus people that probably have not had it yet know it is.
Give me a break.
That is nonsense and the 50m plus people that probably have not had it yet know it is.
pity despite 24/7 questions not a journo savy enough to ask hancock about it
Just Checking • April 5, 2020 6:58 PM BST
Pleasegive ... what precisely about anything you said contradicts anything I said?
The idea it will just "go away" if we wish hard enough, and it's Boris's fault if it doesn't ... err... er..
Probably a misunderstanding on my part, apologies
Pleasegive ... what precisely about anything you said contradicts anything I said?
The idea it will just "go away" if we wish hard enough, and it's Boris's fault if it doesn't ... err... er..
Probably a misunderstanding on my part, apologies
Just seems a little weird that the CSO and the Health Sec that are giving out the advise seemingly both failed to follow it themselves.
We are now getting threatened with more and more draconian laws by these people that cannot even look after themselves.
We are now getting threatened with more and more draconian laws by these people that cannot even look after themselves.
No problem pleasegive :) And thanks for the apology.
I've been wrong before (not least that time in the car when I thought it was just a fart) :)
I've been wrong before (not least that time in the car when I thought it was just a fart) :)
Then of course you have Scotland's Chief Medical Officer not following her own advise.
Do these people know something we don't?
Do these people know something we don't?
Lord Sumption The real problem is that when human societies lose their freedom, it's not usually because tyrants have taken it away. It's usually because people willingly surrender their freedom in return for protection against some external threat. And the threat is usually a real threat but usually exaggerated. That's what I fear we are seeing now.
Wow
Wow
Totally.
You have citizens complaining at other citizens sunbathing on an empty beach.
You have citizens complaining at other citizens sunbathing on an empty beach.
He went on..
The pressure on politicians has come from the public. They want action. They don't pause to ask whether the action will work. They don't ask themselves whether the cost will be worth paying. They want action anyway. And anyone who has studied history will recognise here the classic symptoms of collective hysteria.
The pressure on politicians has come from the public. They want action. They don't pause to ask whether the action will work. They don't ask themselves whether the cost will be worth paying. They want action anyway. And anyone who has studied history will recognise here the classic symptoms of collective hysteria.
Current restriction in Austria.
LOCKDOWN
Yes. Certain towns under full quarantine. Internal movement banned, except to go to work, supermarkets, health facilities. Schools, universities, restaurants and non-essential shops closed.
OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES
Allowed but not in groups. Face masks mandatory in supermarkets.
STATE OF EMERGENCY
No
BORDERS AND TRAVEL
Open, but checks and screenings.
INTERNATIONAL FLIGHTS
Restricted. Austrian Airlines grounded until April 19.
EVENTS
All events banned. Gatherings of more than five people forbidden.
LOCKDOWN
Yes. Certain towns under full quarantine. Internal movement banned, except to go to work, supermarkets, health facilities. Schools, universities, restaurants and non-essential shops closed.
OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES
Allowed but not in groups. Face masks mandatory in supermarkets.
STATE OF EMERGENCY
No
BORDERS AND TRAVEL
Open, but checks and screenings.
INTERNATIONAL FLIGHTS
Restricted. Austrian Airlines grounded until April 19.
EVENTS
All events banned. Gatherings of more than five people forbidden.
Austria will enact a gradual easing of its coronavirus lockdown measures next week, which would make it the first EU country to take steps toward normalization, Chancellor Sebastian Kurz announced Monday.
At a government press conference, Kurz said the country could expect some sort of "resurrection after Easter," with non-essential shops allowed to reopen under strict hygiene measures starting on April 14.
Wearing face masks in public — especially in supermarkets — has been made mandatory as of Monday. The measure is expected to be expanded to public transportation next week.
From May 1, all stores, shopping malls and hairdressers will be allowed to reopen — but other services, as well as restaurants and hotels, must stay shuttered until mid-May, with a final decision to be taken in mid-April, he added.
While exams will go ahead, classes in schools will remain suspended until at least mid-May. Events will be banned until at least the end of June.
The government will still extend restrictions on movement until end of April, which means Austrians can only leave their homes to work, shop, help vulnerable people, or exercise.
As of today, Austria has 12,008 confirmed cases, based on 111,296 tests. Health Minister Rudolf Anschober said that the country's doubling rate of confirmed cases fell from 3.6 days in mid-March to 16.5 days last week.
At a government press conference, Kurz said the country could expect some sort of "resurrection after Easter," with non-essential shops allowed to reopen under strict hygiene measures starting on April 14.
Wearing face masks in public — especially in supermarkets — has been made mandatory as of Monday. The measure is expected to be expanded to public transportation next week.
From May 1, all stores, shopping malls and hairdressers will be allowed to reopen — but other services, as well as restaurants and hotels, must stay shuttered until mid-May, with a final decision to be taken in mid-April, he added.
While exams will go ahead, classes in schools will remain suspended until at least mid-May. Events will be banned until at least the end of June.
The government will still extend restrictions on movement until end of April, which means Austrians can only leave their homes to work, shop, help vulnerable people, or exercise.
As of today, Austria has 12,008 confirmed cases, based on 111,296 tests. Health Minister Rudolf Anschober said that the country's doubling rate of confirmed cases fell from 3.6 days in mid-March to 16.5 days last week.
Interesting Gus...Bayern resumed training today..a good sign.
testing the public whever we receive the testing apparatus will be a massive game changer ... i read somewhere that anywhere from 0.5% to 5% may have had the virus in whatever form - so that could be 600 thousand up to 6 million ... i'd like to know if i have been subjected to it despite not feeling anything out of the ordinary
the equipment can help to direct resources and to identify hot spots and larger contagion areas ...
one things for certain we need to do it properly as autumn / winter could give further concerns of another outbreak if we don't contain it now
the equipment can help to direct resources and to identify hot spots and larger contagion areas ...
one things for certain we need to do it properly as autumn / winter could give further concerns of another outbreak if we don't contain it now
Labor demanding to know the strategy
Have to wait for Boris to be better
Which is going to be 2 weeks at least
The Economy need to be stirring by June or else will be in the
STONE AGE
Have to wait for Boris to be better
Which is going to be 2 weeks at least
The Economy need to be stirring by June or else will be in the
STONE AGE
yoiuve got a short memory
we,re all prepared to take a financial hit for a good few years
that's what the brexiteers used to tell us,prepared to lose their jobs, financial hit etc,so weve got at least 19 million volunteers if the government are looking for them
we,re all prepared to take a financial hit for a good few years
that's what the brexiteers used to tell us,prepared to lose their jobs, financial hit etc,so weve got at least 19 million volunteers if the government are looking for them
meanwhile priti patel greeting a flight from Rumania tomorrow with 180 fruit pickers aboard,priti must have give up her 8 million economically inactive plus the current millions of inactive workers
NObody should be prepared to take the sort of financial hit we are likely to get from this. Its total madness.
Whats the point of getting through this and ending up with no NHS 10 million unemployed and a collapsed currency.
Whats the point of getting through this and ending up with no NHS 10 million unemployed and a collapsed currency.
Agreed Dotch..this is total madness.Keep the oldies in for a bit longer but get the working population back to work pronto.Hitchens is spot on.
suppose it depends you if you think people wopuld just carry on normal life, I,d suggest most of the companies relying on consumer spending would go anyway,airlines,holidays,epl football matches,etc the worlds changed be a long time before the general public will be prepared to part with their cash to sit amongst crowds pretending their enjoying themselves, pictures from spain n Italy today where those who did make use of relaxed measure looked like they were splitting some uranium ,going to be a long rd
leisure/entertainment industry are going to have to open up and wait to see how business goes before hiring staff rather than just take them straight back,
luckily for those unemployed the tory,s have convinced everyone living on uni credit is a breeze piece of pish,bit of a jolly,
they might be about to find out they've been spoon fed aload of shoite, remember just for Gideon give the curtains a twitch
leisure/entertainment industry are going to have to open up and wait to see how business goes before hiring staff rather than just take them straight back,
luckily for those unemployed the tory,s have convinced everyone living on uni credit is a breeze piece of pish,bit of a jolly,
they might be about to find out they've been spoon fed aload of shoite, remember just for Gideon give the curtains a twitch
Furlough scheme extended to end of June
Suggest quarantine to last a long time
Or until we run out of MUNIE
Suggest quarantine to last a long time
Or until we run out of MUNIE
It's just a one month extension and has largely been driven by the threat of employers commencing the 45 day redundancy consultation process.
Looking online the lockdown maybe continued longer in the worst hit areas
Converseley why cant the low hit areas be let off early
e.g Southwest
Very low figures
Converseley why cant the low hit areas be let off early
e.g Southwest
Very low figures
ABOUT TIME HANCOCK GREW SOME BALLS AND ANSWERED
THERE IS NONE ....................AND THERE IS NOT ONE FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE
sick of listening to Bollox questions getting Bollox answers ...
THERE IS NONE ....................AND THERE IS NOT ONE FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE
sick of listening to Bollox questions getting Bollox answers ...
Provided the trends continue to improve over the next few days, I think the clamour for lock down to start being eased will now gain momentum.
Did I hear correctly yesterday that one of criteria for coming out of lockdown was that there has to be no risk of a second wave/peak ?
If so, it does lead to an obvious question
If you can prevent wave #2 when covid has already taken a stronghold, then why could you not prevent wave #1 when we started with zero cases ?
Surely the only way there can be no risk of wave #2 is by herd immunity - either by a vaccine (could be 9 months away, could be never) or by enough people catching it (except we're on lockdown). Anyone know where they are going with this ?
If so, it does lead to an obvious question
If you can prevent wave #2 when covid has already taken a stronghold, then why could you not prevent wave #1 when we started with zero cases ?
Surely the only way there can be no risk of wave #2 is by herd immunity - either by a vaccine (could be 9 months away, could be never) or by enough people catching it (except we're on lockdown). Anyone know where they are going with this ?
I've mentioned this elsewhere it certainly needs explaining as it's a very loose objective with no obvious way of measuring it.
I'm amazed none of the media seem to have jumped on it in the daily briefings tbh but then again everytime an exit is mentioned it's batted away with this is not the time so I think they've given up going down this line at present with their questions.
If you test loads and track and trace contacts aggressively you can avoid a lockdown. S Korea and Japan did this and didn't have one.
But once you have let it get out of hand it's too late for that because you don't have enough human resources or tests to do that.
So now you have to wait until your numbers return to very early stage levels and do that, take it seriously from day 1 which they should have done in the first place.
The fact that they are already talking about lockdown release shows either 1) they are lying, fobbing off the public and lockdown will remain until we reach those levels which is a lot more than 2 weeks away or 2) they will release lockdown too early and probably have to reinstate it in some areas at least.
But once you have let it get out of hand it's too late for that because you don't have enough human resources or tests to do that.
So now you have to wait until your numbers return to very early stage levels and do that, take it seriously from day 1 which they should have done in the first place.
The fact that they are already talking about lockdown release shows either 1) they are lying, fobbing off the public and lockdown will remain until we reach those levels which is a lot more than 2 weeks away or 2) they will release lockdown too early and probably have to reinstate it in some areas at least.
I don't think most of them have a clue and don't want to put their head on the chopping block ,they are desperately hoping the boss is fit soon.
The Prime Minister bulldozed through the remainers who did everything they could to stop Brexit.
He will make the decision when he is fit.
But without a vaccine, and one that is safe and able to be produced in millions of doses how do we go to back to normality safely.
Without a vaccine (or the virus vanishing or evolving to a safer variant) elderly people and those with health issues are at risk of death by such mundane activities as a family wedding , religious gathering , catching the bus etc.......
This would be the new norm.
Try persuading people to work to 67 and contribute to pension funds with that future.
The Prime Minister bulldozed through the remainers who did everything they could to stop Brexit.
He will make the decision when he is fit.
But without a vaccine, and one that is safe and able to be produced in millions of doses how do we go to back to normality safely.
Without a vaccine (or the virus vanishing or evolving to a safer variant) elderly people and those with health issues are at risk of death by such mundane activities as a family wedding , religious gathering , catching the bus etc.......
This would be the new norm.
Try persuading people to work to 67 and contribute to pension funds with that future.
sixtowsix. Forget working to 67 for a pension. If we dont get back to work soon there will be no pensions at all.
Work til you drop is coming.
Work til you drop is coming.
They got rid of SARS without a vaccine, but it hadn't spread nearly as much. There were only about 8-9k cases worldwide but the death rate was 10%. An effective vaccine may never be discovered. The best option might be to clamp down on cases on a worldwide basis until the virus dies off like SARS did. But so much co-ordination required for that to happen and not in a position to think about that until most countries get it under control a lot more than it is now.
Vaccines for coronaviruses have proven difficult to produce, they have never made one. They tried for years with the SARS one but never got there. And if immunity is short-lived a vaccine may not afford much protection either and the virus dying off might be the end of it rather than an effective one-off vaccine.
They already increased pension age after 2008, so it will prob go up again after this. Everyone works for a few years because these mugs didn't take it seriously enough from day 1.
Vaccines for coronaviruses have proven difficult to produce, they have never made one. They tried for years with the SARS one but never got there. And if immunity is short-lived a vaccine may not afford much protection either and the virus dying off might be the end of it rather than an effective one-off vaccine.
They already increased pension age after 2008, so it will prob go up again after this. Everyone works for a few years because these mugs didn't take it seriously enough from day 1.
Brazil seemed to Have cracked 12 Deaths per million ,Trying cracking down on anything over there
The figures are more laughable than China's ..
The figures are more laughable than China's ..
Dutch Football
@FootballOranje_
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Confirmed: No football in the Netherlands until September with or without an audience.
Meaning it is now almost certain that the Eredivisie season cannot be finished .
Decisions need to be made asap.
@FootballOranje_
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Confirmed: No football in the Netherlands until September with or without an audience.
Meaning it is now almost certain that the Eredivisie season cannot be finished .
Decisions need to be made asap.
If you can prevent wave #2 when covid has already taken a stronghold, then why could you not prevent wave #1 when we started with zero cases ?
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there was never a time when there was 'zero cases' ...by the time the Wuhan clan were put on those coaches at Brize Norton, the air was thick with covid and it was spreading all the time in pubs and stadia right under everyones noses ....quite literally
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there was never a time when there was 'zero cases' ...by the time the Wuhan clan were put on those coaches at Brize Norton, the air was thick with covid and it was spreading all the time in pubs and stadia right under everyones noses ....quite literally
the horse had already bolted ... what should have been a 6F sprint is now a marathon
Apr 21, 2020 -- 7:01PM, lurka wrote:
They got rid of SARS without a vaccine, but it hadn't spread nearly as much. There were only about 8-9k cases worldwide but the death rate was 10%. An effective vaccine may never be discovered. The best option might be to clamp down on cases on a worldwide basis until the virus dies off like SARS did. But so much co-ordination required for that to happen and not in a position to think about that until most countries get it under control a lot more than it is now. Vaccines for coronaviruses have proven difficult to produce, they have never made one. They tried for years with the SARS one but never got there. And if immunity is short-lived a vaccine may not afford much protection either and the virus dying off might be the end of it rather than an effective one-off vaccine.They already increased pension age after 2008, so it will prob go up again after this. Everyone works for a few years because these mugs didn't take it seriously enough from day 1.
So we are wasting our time then
Just let everyone out and let it do its thing then surely?
Oh no we need to be on house arrest for ever and ever amen
And why are Holland planning on reopening schools but not doing football behind closed doors?
I mean what?
I mean what?
We can't have our breadncircuses back dotch
But the kids can go back to indoctrination classes
But the kids can go back to indoctrination classes
why football sonts ? ...not really an essential service ...be happy to see football cancelled for the next 10 years to be honest with you and see maybe 20/30 or so clubs go under... pigeons home to roost and all that
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