What Is Happening In French Care Homes?

I don't think this is a French problem, rather a care home one. There is one in Dublin with over 100 cases. I just think they are not the type of people who can do social distancing etc and the staff have less PPE than nurses. The UK still has to do the same as France and add in its figures from these too.

Aye, there will be stories to emerge from all over.

Spain as well.

Remember this from last week....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52014023

Coronavirus: Spanish army finds care home residents 'dead and abandoned'

Spanish soldiers helping to fight the coronavirus pandemic have found elderly patients in retirement homes abandoned and, in some cases, dead in their beds, the defence ministry has said.

Spanish prosecutors said an investigation had been launched.

The military has been brought in to help disinfect care homes in Spain, one of Europe's worst hit countries.

Meanwhile, an ice rink in Madrid is to be used as a temporary mortuary for Covid-19 victims, officials said.

The virus is spreading very fast in Spain - the second worst-hit European country after Italy.

On Tuesday, the health ministry announced that the number of deaths had risen by 514 in the past 24 hours - a daily record.

A total of 2,696 people have now died and there are 39,637 confirmed cases.

A CORONAVIRUS outbreak at a care home has left 13 people dead in just seven days.

Sources said the bug “swept through” 90-bed Burlington Court in Glasgow - despite bosses banning all visits to the care home.

An insider said: “It’s just so sad. How do you deal with something like this? The staff are doing their best to cope.”

The care home looks after OAPs and people with epilepsy, Huntington’s and Parkinson’s Disease.

All the fatalities are being linked to Covid-19, although it is understood not all of the victims had been tested.

Four Seasons Health Care, which runs the home, said two staff members were also being treated.

It said: “With deep sadness we can confirm that 13 residents have passed away over the past seven days.

“The focus is the ongoing care and protection of all our residents and our colleagues.”

The Care Inspectorate said: “Our thou­ghts are with the loved ones of those affected.”

In the UK average stay in a care home is between 2 and 3 years. By definition these are people unable to look after themselves, can't be without human to human contact, approaching the end of their time, most over 70 and likely to have underlying conditions. Most likely won't understand social distancing or won't care at this point in their life (my Nan passed away in a care home and while she was there other residents were frequently popping in to her room).

It is a sad fact that hospitals and care homes are probably the most likely places on earth to catch this virus. I'm not blaming anyone but I am just hoping that I don't get sick from some other disease that requires going to a hospital. I think I would opt to take my chances at home.

Macron needs to step up fast. His wife might be next.

I remember was it the mrsa scandal and people I no cancelled hernia ops,appointments in hospitals at the time

The residents, all with underlying health conditions, lived at Burlington Court Care Home.
Two of the care home's staff members are being treated in separate hospitals after testing positive for COVID-19.

i can see quite a few carers abandoning these homes ...most of the carers are badly paid,poorly looked after and it won't be a terrible blow to them to lose their jobs either

Another 1,053 deaths in france today,escalating figures everywhere.

France reported a further 7,788 cases today and a further 1,053 deaths.
That's three successive days that they've added more than a thousand to their fatality total.

There were reports out of Spain of care homes being abandoned.

Surprised that gigs isn't blaming the tories for this state of affairs ?

why are you bothered with any of these countries   - I thought we lived in england 
ps who runs france spain and italy  - I bet it is them fkn tory sh!te

they are all spivs

treetop 04 Apr 20 19:01 
Surprised that gigs isn't blaming the tories for this state of affairs ?

They've got a terms worth in already in 3 months and hasnt finished yet,i'm sure there's going to be a lot more to come with jhnson around..why wouldn't it..

all very interesting but who is supposedly in charge politically in france  spain and italy? and why are they all fked?

Isn't it that Napoleon Bonaparte fella?

stop it foin - any criticism of the emperor will not end well for you

look what they did to Maturin!!

big killings on the belarus etc from 1200 today

hope you got on some

I just did over 1.5 goals on the Brest game. Had to hang on latish for a few shillings. I half expected it to go down.

Don't let it happen in the UK,act now.

There are 40 clusters in care homes in Ireland atm.

All staff are to have their temp taken twice daily.
Movement of staff minimised.
PPE and oxygen to be provided to homes.
Prevention and control teams being set up to liase with homes.
Financial support to be provided.

Fair point re carers being underpaid etc they have a duty to say they cannot cope at this time too though and won't be thought bad of.

If your granny is admitted to hospital say your last goodbye there and then

Many old people are going to be allowed to die

Let the "not so naughty" out of the jails as well, different meaning to "time" during this,surely happening though. They didn't get a death sentence.

they are waiting for you to go in with a  serious 'condition'  then finish you off with a co19

Thanks Moisok,a kind comment earlier today, in every workplace currently running a simple handheld tempature test before entering should be made compulsory imo, get the rate down and work from there.

Latest figures from France.

Deaths in hospital:  7,091 (+607)
Deaths in nursing care homes: 3,237 (+820)
Total deaths: 10,328

Those figures might be skewed. What if a care resident was moved to hospital and died there. I'd be shocked if care homes didn't account for at least 60%

Varadkar, Harris and Holohan have made some c*ck up of the Nursing home situation in Ireland. On March 10th, Holohan and Harris criticised homes for closing off visitations and stated they were over reacting.

It was 50 homes (multiplied 5 fold in a week) 2 days ago with clusters.....now its 99 ffs

Varadkar and Harris are absolute f**king 5cum

Media are filth raising no questions on it. Mumbling how good we are flattening the curve even though there has been no increase in the rate of testing, hence why the daily rate of increase is dropping

137 cases now in nursing homes in ireland

absolute 5hitshow

So if one of your kids were working at a nursing home where the virus was raging would you be encouraging them to go in tomorrow?  nothing is easy at the moment.

You won't Potlis,hopefully has changed in that the staff have least adequate ppe now,they were struggling not that long ago.
It is a very sad situation and i'm not sure anyone has answers.

Racingqueen just on the 4th of April i said there were 40 clusters in care homes in Ireland,that is now 150% up in the amount of homes, a huge rise, i know that is backdated from possibly up to say around 3 weeks ago.
They seem to be getting tested which is imperative,are the UK testing their care home patients?

Learn from Irelands mistake.

How has it spread to so many homes? People going into them and not showing any symptons? Staff going to multiple homes? I have no idea but it is important to get an answer quick.

Care homes for Old People are particularly vulnerable. The elderly are the most vulnerable to this virus.

They live on top of each other usually in the same building. When the virus gets into this environment, it just runs wild

Sure I have read of care homes in one country where staff abandoned residents and emergency services just found bodies on the floor. The concept of a plague can strike fear into anyone,would any of us welcome having to pick up someone from the floor knowing it could be deadly infectious ?

That was evil Treetop those old people were just left to die

Plus younger people are not quite at the same risk of infection as the old

unforgivable

Just to confirm thats 137 separate nursing homes.

Testing is a farce in Ireland. Media hacks proclaiming the curve is being flattened which is simply untrue. The easiest way to flatten the curve is to do no testing and thats what Ireland are doing. Testing remains on average 1500 tests per day (so no wonder the daily % increase is dropping. Its simple maths, yet no hack seems to have rumbled it). Deaths and ICU occupancy continues upwards) and its clear the DOH and HSE are fudging figures by only releasing the amount of tests done on a weekly basis.

Harris was proclaiming the aim was 15k tests in mid March. He's obviously too busy responding to letters from 6yo kids telling him what a great job he's doing and letting the nation know the Easter Bunny is still coming to actually do his job.

Nursing homes and care settings were the core red light area in the health service where high death rates could be seen. The Irish government saw what happened in Italy and Spain and washed their hands of the Nursing homes. Harris and Holohans advice against closing visitation on March 10th was criminal

Thanks RQ,
Basically for a simple comparison with UK i multiply Irelands numbers by 14,that is an unfair comparison as the  population is obviously more dense in UK.
On that,a similar amount of cases to UK though death rate would be 250ish, that is very weak as both have small levels of testing.
On checking back it seems non essential visitation in care homes was applied on the 6th March,that is open to correction,i am not arguing against more being done more stringently earlier at all.
I smiled re the Easter Bunny,it is hard for children not to be out playing particulary in the good weather, i think LV overall did ok,particulary in making sure everyone has enough to survive.

I don't think a goverment in the world won't play it differently if they couldn't do it again,from what i heard there was an air of complacency last weekend,seems that is gone though with talk of a lockdown for up to a year.

Ah,i am with you now Racingqueen,it seems there was a ban on visiting on either 4th or 6th of March and that ban was lifted on the 10th,yes, a big mistake.

70 infections in Cavan Hospital.

I am fully convinced now Hospitals and care homes are causing the spread and doing nothing to stop it.

It is disgraceful medical staff are being allowed to continue working without appropriate PPE equipment and proper procedure

Now "promising" to test everyone in a care home situation,unreal.

Tests for "everyone who needs one".
Not quite the same as testing everyone and we know that asymptomatic carriers can pass the virus to others.

also 'as testing capacity continues to increase', another caveat. Why would you add these words if you were serious about tackling the problem right away?

It is too late, i presume that HM goverment notice went up today?

You are correct,a big difference re testing everyone and everyone who needs one.

This is just so f sad.

Helen Whatley was wheeled out to do the morning media rounds, another sacrificial lamb.

Big increase in new csaes in Ireland this evening because they are testing care homes.

Why the delay in UK care home testing?

being rolled out right now.

100,000 test capability in UK by end of month.

Then the whole trace and test system will be developed with 18,000 contact tracers.

I thought it was being rolled out on the 15th April?

BBC headline 15th April, "More tests promised for care homes"

So it was also being rolled out then,this was after pressure after the briefing.

So in effect it has done Jack since then,made a false promise and 8 days later going down the same route?

Wait until the civil liberty wallahs get hold of the contact trace reality. They'll go f**king nuts!

Handy hint: if your testing regime is always in the future tense, you never have to go through with it.

I knew you couldn't answer that back Insider Trader,but you see the pattern? kick the can down the road.

You aren't going back to getting that economy going (though a few baby steps with some firms lately),everything is behind and only facing a reaction after the can of worms has been open,slack out.

Ireland has stepped up testing in nursing homes this week. Its new cases have spiked in the last few days as a result. But I think outside of care homes the cases are steadily falling still with an R0 of between 0.5 and 0.8 on latest estimates.

I saw pictures of fleets of medical cars and ambulances going to care homes,the medical swat teams,late but good news which will undoubtly save some lives.
Touch wood seems the community cases have been largely contained due to decisive action early,a gradual,clever lifting on restrictions and not looking that bad there against what could have been,fair play imo.

Yeah it looks like they are finding a couple of hundred new cases a day at least in care homes since they went into them.

Hancock on todays briefing that the reason for allowing visiting in care homes up to lockdown was "they" were guided by "clinical advice", really? why did some homes stop visitors?

Negligence on a huge scale.

And just for Insider Trader, they again said TODAY,testing for care homes is "being rolled out".

With hindsight the key to minimsing the death numbers in every country was to put all your eggs in protecting the old/vulnerable basket and watch that basket like hawk. Billions could have been targeted at solving this given the £3bn a day the lockdown costs.

Tried to call the helpline for people that are most vulnerable and had had an NHS letter. Talked to a computer. No call back in 24 hours. Could be starving with no meds for all they know. Yet 700,000 signed up an NHS community helpers most of whom have been asked to do nothing. Whole thing is a PR sham. Try telling people in care homes the governments' 'we are in it together' PR nonsense is true.

What a complete disaster the whole thing has been from the group think of the 'scientists' who were allowed to influence policy (to the exclusion of any dissenters) and the politicians in every country in Europe and America that hid behind them.

The 'science' led policy has resulted in the quarantining of the younger fitter members of society who have virtually no chance of dying of the virus and the most vulnerable in care homes and the sick in hospital have been left with virtually zero protection.

What a mess of inverted policy throughout the western world.

I'm sorry you didn't get an answer on that helpline,that is unforgivable.
There are supposed local council helplines,i can't vouch for them, ring even samaritians or police if it is really urgent,they will at least offer advice

I wasn't having a "go" at you with earlier post, i am so disappointed with the false promises and maybe a bit soft as well,after a long life they deserve better than that.

We managed to sort out supplies through working the system. But what about the most vulnerable people who absolutely rely on the state to help them?

An example is my wife got a letter on the 10th April from NHS advising she was highly at risk and should isolate for 12 weeks.

10th April! I mean lock down for everyone started on 23rd March. We personally did it a week before that.

What if we had not done our own research?

So fit young people were put under house arrest 18 days before NHS letter to a vulnerable person was received. I hear this has happened to many people who are vulnerable.

Whilst the leading scientists and politicians prance about doing vanity projects like the Excel centre that is empty things like care homes and basics were not properly protected. We clap carers and NHS every week when most are embarrassed they have so little to do  because most services are not operating (don't get me wrong those in ICU are doing a massive service).

Governments are fixated with messaging they will not even tell us what the plan is. That Irish PM even turned up surrounded by cameras to do a doctors shift. They are so vain.

These same scientists and politicians that are leading the fight to save us are so thick they caught the virus themselves - like Neil Ferguson (Guy who published a paper on false assumptions that led to lock down of the young), Chris Whitty (Chief medical advisor for the country), Boris Johnson (Prime Minister) and Matt Hancock (Health Secretary).

How can we trust that awesome foursome to get us out this when they could not even look after themselves?

varadkar is a qualified doctor, hes helping

not vainly shaking hands with corona victims


if clown boris did anything useful it would be news

He would be better off leading the country's plans to protect their vulnerable, especially in care homes, than taking time out to get social media snap shots in medical gear.

There are tens of thousands of other people that could do that but there is only one PM.

all hands to the pump

i know helping irish health service is miles better than stupidly infecting yourself with corona virus for a photo op.

imagine we had a qualified doctor leading the country at this time

or qualified doctors and immunologists running sage intead of a cultish loon