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That's what Jenny was saying, in her polite manner. I can appreciate it's scary for the NHS workers on the front line. But it's clear some are demanding more than what's deemed needed for the tasks they are carrying out.
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Testing is such a red herring, it won't change anything at this stage.
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Why on earth they are using the China data in their calculations, lord knows. Didn't they watch Chernobyl.
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scientists in china/usa think the virus is airborn and tests in hospitals say it lingers in wards 8 hrs after supposedly been cleaned,if anywhere nearly true no suprises hospitals getting swamped with the virus,and makes a nonsense of the 2 metre rule, nothing conclusive either way yet obviously
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would explain rapid spread around the world though as compared to only spreading if someone directly transfer droplets to you or you get them of a hard surface
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Ok so swearing at me really goes a long way to underpinning your argument.
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In my job if you dont have the correct ppe you stop the job and if the ppe isnt up to standard then heads roll.
All ppe is be tested to the limit to be able to get onto an approved list. I know in health care their will be shortages and health staff are left with no option some of the time. Not sure whether wearing nitrile gloves, protective suits and face masks is going to really protect them 100%. Health workers are just in an impossible position. |
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Don't get me wrong, I ain't a consultant or a nurse fighting this on the frontline but this ain't no game or time to push an agenda. People away from the frontline are very scared about the lack of protective equipment that is available, I'd hate to be those really fighting this because I know for a fact that even there it's sub-standard. If you need any proof then look at the comparison of the equipment between Italy and the UK and we're miles behind yet so many of their doctors have already died. If we're lucky maybe we won't lose as many, but the sad losses have already started.
We've got student nurses now caring for patients, and in my team even office-based staff are now being asked to re-train in case they need to go and help at in-patient wards. Jeez, the NHS has even bought PPE from a fetish website because that's all the could get. Nurses are no longer able to even hold their children because of the fear of passing the virus on, and probably go to work not knowing whether they'll come home again and see their families again. I'm under no illusion that the NHS ain't badly run and overbloated at times, and makes plenty of mistakes. But to say this is "media brainwashing" and "push an agenda", seriously just **** off. |
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HEY CIDER go and do one!! ho ho
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Of course it is attempted brainwashing from the media, and for the most part a socialist agenda. Bitter NHS 'worker' contacts a media outlet, does a skype from their bookcase lined home office, moaning about lack of PPE for 'colleagues'. It always seems to be 'colleagues', not the individuals themselves who are gaining public attention.
It's easy to say, and can't be disproved. A lot of these people crave social media attention I'm afraid to say. There's absolutely no doubt there are isolated shortages in places, the NHS is a behemoth of an organisation, including GP surgeries, old folk's homes, chemists, support staff and support agencies, paramedics et al. Anyone who thinks this issue isn't being politicised is a fool. The US, largest economy in the world has more shortages than we do. |
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.https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-love-islands-dr-alex-george-says-his-spirits-are-high-on-nhs-frontline-11965646
Despite reports about some hospitals feeling they do not have enough or sufficient protective equipment to help treat patients safely, Dr George does not feel this is the case at his hospital. "My spirits are high. I feel like we've got enough protective equipment on the frontline to do what we need do and to be able to perform our job as safely as possible," he said. "Of course, none of us want to catch the coronavirus, all of us want to remain safe and that is absolutely paramount." |
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Someone who is, actually, on the front line, has what he needs. Funny that.
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did you know that Ronnie Corbett's father ran a 'Partly damaged pet shop' which went under as squashed hedgehogs were not in vogue.
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the media should not be using these press conferences to try and catch the government out. they've got an almost impossible job making life and death decisions with no right or wrong answer and basically no precedent to fall back on
they should be trying to help the public be more informed not looking for a headline. some of the questions have been absolutely ludicrous |
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PPE doesn't really look up to the job at all ,the masks look like something my dentist would wear.
I was told also that one of the problems will be with ill fitting masks, or masks not fitted properly to start with. Interesting how they work in Naples ... keeping teams apart in different rooms with those copping the viral load are donning the heavy gear, and what looked like gas masks . Co workers in the adjacent room never entered into the covid 'hotspot' Probably learning from Bergamo |
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I do think Gove is one of the better Government presenters. He lies with conviction unlike Jenrick who was awful today.
Seriously I don’t like et tu Gove at all but he is a good politician apart of course for stabbing his pal in the back and rendering himself untrustworthy I think Gove should present the Government message unless of course they keep giving him blanks to fire |
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I watched newsnight last night top icu administrator from Birmingham,banging on about its early days but studying the data,graphs etc,etc, it seems unlike normal flu,pnumonia etc ventilator,s arnt having the same effect on this virus, FFS you don't need data,graphs I put posts on here 3/.4 weeks ago live from Italian hospitals telling the world vents arnt a silver bullet etc,there that uneffective we,re worried we,re using them wrong, WHERE DO WE GET THESE FOOOOKING LOOONS FROM,no the same or less than joe public watching tv
Italy for 8 weeks non or very few are coming off vents in icu alive commo new York yesterday very few none are living after a set time on a vent just watch ,listen from the frtontline and throw your fooooking data,graphs,models in the bin till the post mortem |
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Cider,21.22 "Dr. George" seems to be in the minority.
Maybe all of this is not an "agenda" by the so called "left", might even be fact or mostly fact as others than myself has been trying to say. Not arguing,tis soul destroying,unnecessary and was preventable to a point as the herd immunity project only ended slightly over 2 weeks ago. |