rising death rate,low testing,lack of ppe,government press conference

bojo raab gove hancock..all vile beyond words..god help us all.

he was once accused of telling the truth,and threatened  to take his accuser to court,

Will all be delivered in his "sincere" voice, the one that has absolutely no authentic sincerity within it.

gove the guy who tried to stab bojo to death..but is now in his cabinet..unbelievable.

is he still on the coke?

Won't fancy doing the PC today, probably developing a cough as we speak.

Is the communist party thread,what a load of ollocks.

If living on another planet is the epitome of social distancing, then Gove is an example to us all.

Was he being paid per cliche?!

Not out of the woods x2
Foot on the pedal x2
Long haul

double points, play your joker on  RAMPING UP

How will Peston cope with not getting to the hairdresser for several months?

Green shoots x6

You want a sick bucket for the **** coming out on this,

Feed any old bollix to the masses,

google;the lancet offline covid 19 and the nhs a national scandal

Gove: "the rise in the number of deaths is ..ermm, uhh...deeply ...errm,, disturbing/ distressing/ moving" He actually had to search for and insert a list of the appropriate words that normal people would use naturally.

They had charts up in what closing the public transport would be expected to do

Why didn't they close it earlier if the effects were so good?

All well Bojos back on Friday allegedly, everyone can relax.

Who knew?

Sad people on here revelling in other peoples misery.

^ read that bit in the lancet and get your tongue out of the tories hole.

Gove as Ed Sec, did more to add the the national mental health bill of teachers and pupils than anyone on the planet. He kicked the Mental Health Czar out because she dared speak out about the appalling exam/assessment system we have in this country, where exams are the be all and end all. One size fits all bowlocks. Clueless twerp.

How long have they been talking about ventilators? Apparently they can't get any because several other countries acted sooner, and ordered them first. I read somewhere that normally about 100,000 ventilators are produced Worldwide every year. Guess how many the USA ordered long before our lot acted!

Oh look, there some green shoots

des pond, i read somewhere, they didnt read the email sent to them re the ventilators until it was too late

Of course it's going to rise it's an exponential curve and they said the peak is likely 2 weeks away.
There is no surprise here. There surprise would be if it suddenly stopped rising.

The leftie sh1t above is just embarrasing.

Also the lancet guy is an egotistical (other) leftie rewriting recent history and to pick fights with the Tories, who apparently was involved in supporting that ridiculous totally discredited "vaccines are bad" nonsense. Read this, then the comments.
https://order-order.com/2020/03/27/lancet-editor-slams-government-for-listen...

Richard Horton - wonder if hes changed his mind again.
@elisjohn you probably read that on here. Utter nonsense as is most of the stuff on here about the virus.

I keep reading this bizarre historical revision by your lefties (who seem about to melt down with hate at the moment) even saying how Boris has the worst response in the world, not even REMOTELY is this the case, indeed many are saying he is OVER reacting. Look at the rest of Europe.

Talk about confirmation bias though, it's textbook.

And on the scale of things, just a few examples, "socialist" Sweden has only recently done anything, Trump is going back and forth like his hair in a crosswind, until the other day India was even denying the disease was spreading at all human to human in their country (then went mad), and this is the best: Belarus leader is doing pretty much nothing and say it'll be cured by Vodka and Saunas.

It's a funny old game

If everyone has there own sauna, well then he's cracked it, hasn't he...........

their

I also notice that the lefties totally ignore that it is a cross party/government approach we are taking.
Obviously still angry from the humiliation at the polls last time out.

40 deaths recorded today as extra to those reported in the first 210 deaths as they happened outside hospital testing. Theoretically on the same scale 20 to 25% of deaths aren't getting reported yet. That would vastly inflate today's figure to way over 2,000.

And a 19-year-old, very healthy, young man, among the deaths.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-teenage-victim-luca-di-nicola-was-very-healthy-family-says-11966443

Horribly sad.

I'm not suggesting that Labour or anybody else would've done any better. But our Govt were slow to react. I hope they get away with it, because I think they are doing the best they can. i just wish they woud stop obfuscating and talking about car makers producing thosands of ventilators as if it is actually happening. I guess, like most people, I'm frustrated and worried by the rise in deaths today. Yesterday I was feeling more optimistic and was ready to give Johnson some credit for not trampling all over people's freedom, while attempting a hugely difficult balancing act. Maybe tomorrow or the next day will bring better news. Let's hope so. I still think Gove is a weirdo, who has no place telling other people what to do.

It's a horrible situation for everyone involved, and getting the messaging correct is nigh on impossible.

I feel a bit sorry for these medical experts being rolled out to deliver messages to the nation on a daily basis.
Clearly they are subject matter experts, well used to addressing audiences. Just not on a national basis.

And the tough part hasn't even started yet.
Unwinding from a lockdown is going to be incredibly difficult.

Unfortunately, the UK is following the same painful path of Italy, Spain, and France.
It will get much worse before it starts to get better.

Not horrible for the op Angoose. He appears to be revelling in it, smilies and everythang.

the experts are on committees so may be having to defend a strategy that they personally arent even in favour of.

Good point.

Just sheeple buying the socialist media brainwashing diatribe.

It's pretty clear there are NHS workers using the situation to push an agenda. Typically from London or Birmingham.

Has everyone got every bit of kit they need on demand, probably not but there's over a million people to supply, probably closer to two. 

The daily press conferences are becoming a hindrance as not a lot will change now, but the media wants a new stick to beat the government with.

rather than hospitals waiting for ppe deliveries that may be wrong gear,wrong amount,why don't they divide it into say 6 warehouses, at least, one say maximum 2 hrs from any trust and let the trusts/hospitals go get their own gear,
think the biggest problem is like said elsewhere some unions [rightly ] demanding the ppe the WHO say you should have, and not what hancock says is adequate

That's what Jenny was saying, in her polite manner. I can appreciate it's scary for the NHS workers on the front line. But it's clear some are demanding more than what's deemed needed for the tasks they are carrying out.

Testing is such a red herring, it won't change anything at this stage.

Why on earth they are using the China data in their calculations, lord knows. Didn't they watch Chernobyl.

scientists in china/usa think the virus is airborn and tests in hospitals say it lingers in wards 8 hrs after supposedly been cleaned,if anywhere nearly true no suprises hospitals getting swamped with the virus,and makes a nonsense of the 2 metre rule, nothing conclusive either way yet obviously

would explain rapid spread around the world though as compared to only spreading if someone directly transfer droplets to you or you get them of a hard surface

Mar 31, 2020 -- 8:27PM, Cider wrote:

Just sheeple buying the socialist media brainwashing diatribe.It's pretty clear there are NHS workers using the situation to push an agenda. Typically from London or Birmingham.Has everyone got every bit of kit they need on demand, probably not but there's over a million people to supply, probably closer to two.  The daily press conferences are becoming a hindrance as not a lot will change now, but the media wants a new stick to beat the government with.

Seriously **** off. We haven't got a bare minimum of the kit we need.

Ok so swearing at me really goes a long way to underpinning your argument.

What job are you doing that requires medical PPE?

In my job if you dont have the correct ppe you stop the job and if the ppe isnt up to standard then heads roll.

All ppe is be tested to the limit to be able to get onto an approved list.

I know in health care their will be shortages and health staff are left with no option some of the time. Not sure whether wearing nitrile gloves, protective suits and face masks is going to really protect them 100%. Health workers are just in an impossible position.

Don't get me wrong, I ain't a consultant or a nurse fighting this on the frontline but this ain't no game or time to push an agenda. People away from the frontline are very scared about the lack of protective equipment that is available, I'd hate to be those really fighting this because I know for a fact that even there it's sub-standard. If you need any proof then look at the comparison of the equipment between Italy and the UK and we're miles behind yet so many of their doctors have already died. If we're lucky maybe we won't lose as many, but the sad losses have already started.

We've got student nurses now caring for patients, and in my team even office-based staff are now being asked to re-train in case they need to go and help at in-patient wards. Jeez, the NHS has even bought PPE from a fetish website because that's all the could get. Nurses are no longer able to even hold their children because of the fear of passing the virus on, and probably go to work not knowing whether they'll come home again and see their families again.

I'm under no illusion that the NHS ain't badly run and overbloated at times, and makes plenty of mistakes. But to say this is "media brainwashing" and "push an agenda", seriously just **** off.

HEY   CIDER    go and do one!!  ho ho

Of course it is attempted brainwashing from the media, and for the most part a socialist agenda. Bitter NHS 'worker' contacts a media outlet, does a skype from their bookcase lined home office, moaning about lack of PPE for 'colleagues'. It always seems to be 'colleagues', not the individuals themselves who are gaining public attention.

It's easy to say, and can't be disproved. A lot of these people crave social media attention I'm afraid to say.

There's absolutely no doubt there are isolated shortages in places, the NHS is a behemoth of an organisation, including GP surgeries, old folk's homes, chemists, support staff and support agencies, paramedics et al. Anyone who thinks this issue isn't being politicised is a fool. The US, largest economy in the world has more shortages than we do.

.https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-love-islands-dr-alex-george-says-his-spirits-are-high-on-nhs-frontline-11965646

Despite reports about some hospitals feeling they do not have enough or sufficient protective equipment to help treat patients safely, Dr George does not feel this is the case at his hospital.

"My spirits are high. I feel like we've got enough protective equipment on the frontline to do what we need do and to be able to perform our job as safely as possible," he said.

"Of course, none of us want to catch the coronavirus, all of us want to remain safe and that is absolutely paramount."

Someone who is, actually, on the front line, has what he needs. Funny that.

did you know that Ronnie Corbett's father ran a 'Partly damaged pet shop'  which went under as squashed hedgehogs were not in vogue.

This was why he had to resort to show business to keep the wolf from the door

the media should not be using these press conferences to try and catch the government out. they've got an almost impossible job making life and death decisions with no right or wrong answer and basically no precedent to fall back on

they should be trying to help the public be more informed not looking for a headline. some of the questions have been absolutely ludicrous

PPE doesn't really look up to the job at all ,the masks look like something my dentist would wear.

I was told also that one of the problems will be with ill fitting masks,  or masks not fitted properly to start with. 

Interesting  how they work in Naples ...  keeping teams apart in different rooms  with those copping the viral load are  donning the heavy gear,  and what looked like gas masks .

Co workers in the adjacent room never entered into the  covid  'hotspot'

Probably learning from Bergamo

I do think Gove is one of the better Government presenters. He lies with conviction unlike Jenrick who was awful today.

Seriously I don’t like et tu Gove  at all but he is a good politician apart of course for stabbing his pal in the back and rendering himself untrustworthy

I think Gove should present the Government message unless of course they keep giving him blanks to fire

I watched newsnight last night top icu administrator from Birmingham,banging on about its early days but studying the data,graphs etc,etc, it seems unlike normal flu,pnumonia etc ventilator,s arnt having the same effect on this virus, FFS you don't need data,graphs I put posts on here 3/.4 weeks ago live from Italian hospitals telling the world vents arnt a silver bullet etc,there that uneffective we,re worried we,re using them wrong, WHERE DO WE GET THESE FOOOOKING LOOONS FROM,no the same or less than joe public watching tv
Italy for 8 weeks non or very few are coming off vents in icu alive
commo new York yesterday very few none are living after a set time on a vent

just watch ,listen from the frtontline and throw your fooooking data,graphs,models in the bin till the post mortem

Cider,21.22 "Dr. George" seems to be in the minority.

Maybe all of this is not an "agenda" by the so called "left", might even be fact or mostly fact as others than myself has been trying to say.

Not arguing,tis soul destroying,unnecessary and was preventable to a point as the herd immunity project only ended slightly over 2 weeks ago.