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31 Mar 20
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Suggestion here that those who test positive for being immune from Covid-19 will be given a certification to allow them out.
Forced testing and forced vaccinations should not occur in any democratic country.
The rest of the people will be kept in lockdown.
Horrible situation where all those with the 'right' paperwork will be allowed out.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1262083/Coronavirus-updates-Germany-latest-immunity-certificates-lockdown-covid19
Forced testing and forced vaccinations should not occur in any democratic country.
The rest of the people will be kept in lockdown.
Horrible situation where all those with the 'right' paperwork will be allowed out.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1262083/Coronavirus-updates-Germany-latest-immunity-certificates-lockdown-covid19
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Will you be as quick to denounce such a scheme when it is introduced by Johnson 
The idea that only people that have passed a medical test are allowed any freedom by law - yes I would denounce that.
“Immunity passports” for key workers could be a way of getting people who have had coronavirus back into the workforce more quickly, scientists and politicians in the UK have suggested.
Researchers in Germany are currently preparing a mass study into how many people are already immune to the Covid-19 virus, allowing authorities to eventually issue passes to exclude workers from restrictive measures currently in place.
The study, which is yet to finalise funding, would involve testing the blood of more than 100,000 volunteers for coronavirus antibodies from mid-April. The test would then be repeated at regular intervals on an accumulatively larger sample of the population, to track the pandemic’s progress.
The shadow health secretary, Jonathan Ashworth, said: “Germany appears to be leading the way in the testing and we have much to learn from their approach. I’ve repeatedly called for more testing and contact tracing in the UK, and we should be looking at initiatives like this closely.”
The results of the German study, organised by the government’s public health body, the Robert Koch Institute, the German Centre for Infection Research, the Institute for Virology at Berlin’s Charite hospital and blood donation services, would make it easier to decide when and where schools in the country could reopen, and which people are safe to go back to work.
“Those who are immune could be issued with a kind of vaccination pass that would for example allow them to exempted from restrictions on their activity,” said Gerard Krause, head of epidemiology at the Helmholtz Centre for Infection Research in Braunschweig. The German government has not yet officially commented on the proposal for such a certificate made by scientists.
Dr Philippa Whitford, an SNP MP and former surgeon, said immunity passports could be used specifically for key workers in healthcare in the UK but would be difficult to roll out more widely across the country because of the level of administration needed.
Whitford, who is also chair of the all-party parliamentary group for vaccines, said the length of time someone may have immunity after they have had Covid-19 was still largely unknown. Someone contracting Sars, which is also a coronavirus, did not have long-term immunity – potentially only up to a year after the infection.
Professor Peter Openshaw, a member of the government’s new and emerging respiratory virus threats advisory group, said people who have recovered and test positive for coronavirus antibodies should no longer be infectious themselves and would be expected to have at least some immunity to the virus.
He said the worse case scenario – based on what is known about immunity to coronaviruses that cause common colds – is that former patients would have only partial resistance for about three months.
“It could be that this coronavirus causes a pretty robust immune response, which is durable and protective for much longer, maybe a year or even five years, but we don’t know because it’s a new virus,” he said.
Immunity passports are a “reasonable provisional measure”, Openshaw said, but he stressed that people granted the passports would have to be kept under close observation to ensure they were not becoming reinfected.
“In subsequent monitoring, it would be really important to determine whether those who do return to normal circulation are in fact protected,” he said.
It is unclear whether the millions of antibody tests the government has ordered will be sophisticated enough to reveal the extent of a person’s immunity, rather than simply returning a positive or negative result for circulating antibodies.
Concerns have been raised that wider immunity passport schemes could incentivise certain groups, such as young people who are falling into debt through lack of work, to actively contract the virus in the hope that they can return to their jobs once recovered.
But Openshaw said it would be “highly inadvisable” to breach the government’s lockdown rules and intentionally risk infection.
“Although there are risk factors for severity of illness and admission to intensive care, quite a high proportion who are being admitted are otherwise well and do not have those risk factors,” he said.
“It would be putting your life at risk to try and catch it at the moment. It would be much better to adhere to social distancing and to wait for the vaccine.”
Researchers in Germany are currently preparing a mass study into how many people are already immune to the Covid-19 virus, allowing authorities to eventually issue passes to exclude workers from restrictive measures currently in place.
The study, which is yet to finalise funding, would involve testing the blood of more than 100,000 volunteers for coronavirus antibodies from mid-April. The test would then be repeated at regular intervals on an accumulatively larger sample of the population, to track the pandemic’s progress.
The shadow health secretary, Jonathan Ashworth, said: “Germany appears to be leading the way in the testing and we have much to learn from their approach. I’ve repeatedly called for more testing and contact tracing in the UK, and we should be looking at initiatives like this closely.”
The results of the German study, organised by the government’s public health body, the Robert Koch Institute, the German Centre for Infection Research, the Institute for Virology at Berlin’s Charite hospital and blood donation services, would make it easier to decide when and where schools in the country could reopen, and which people are safe to go back to work.
“Those who are immune could be issued with a kind of vaccination pass that would for example allow them to exempted from restrictions on their activity,” said Gerard Krause, head of epidemiology at the Helmholtz Centre for Infection Research in Braunschweig. The German government has not yet officially commented on the proposal for such a certificate made by scientists.
Dr Philippa Whitford, an SNP MP and former surgeon, said immunity passports could be used specifically for key workers in healthcare in the UK but would be difficult to roll out more widely across the country because of the level of administration needed.
Whitford, who is also chair of the all-party parliamentary group for vaccines, said the length of time someone may have immunity after they have had Covid-19 was still largely unknown. Someone contracting Sars, which is also a coronavirus, did not have long-term immunity – potentially only up to a year after the infection.
Professor Peter Openshaw, a member of the government’s new and emerging respiratory virus threats advisory group, said people who have recovered and test positive for coronavirus antibodies should no longer be infectious themselves and would be expected to have at least some immunity to the virus.
He said the worse case scenario – based on what is known about immunity to coronaviruses that cause common colds – is that former patients would have only partial resistance for about three months.
“It could be that this coronavirus causes a pretty robust immune response, which is durable and protective for much longer, maybe a year or even five years, but we don’t know because it’s a new virus,” he said.
Immunity passports are a “reasonable provisional measure”, Openshaw said, but he stressed that people granted the passports would have to be kept under close observation to ensure they were not becoming reinfected.
“In subsequent monitoring, it would be really important to determine whether those who do return to normal circulation are in fact protected,” he said.
It is unclear whether the millions of antibody tests the government has ordered will be sophisticated enough to reveal the extent of a person’s immunity, rather than simply returning a positive or negative result for circulating antibodies.
Concerns have been raised that wider immunity passport schemes could incentivise certain groups, such as young people who are falling into debt through lack of work, to actively contract the virus in the hope that they can return to their jobs once recovered.
But Openshaw said it would be “highly inadvisable” to breach the government’s lockdown rules and intentionally risk infection.
“Although there are risk factors for severity of illness and admission to intensive care, quite a high proportion who are being admitted are otherwise well and do not have those risk factors,” he said.
“It would be putting your life at risk to try and catch it at the moment. It would be much better to adhere to social distancing and to wait for the vaccine.”
Terrible idea for the reasons outlined in your article.
Sets a really bad precedent that the state can treat people differently on this basis... have our test and you can do XYZ. dont have our test are you are put in prison etc.
What next? mandatory vaccines? social credits?
I don't like where this could head.
Sets a really bad precedent that the state can treat people differently on this basis... have our test and you can do XYZ. dont have our test are you are put in prison etc.
What next? mandatory vaccines? social credits?
I don't like where this could head.
We cannot pay ourselves to do nowt for too long. Anyone who's has had it should be back at work getting the wheels working once the NHS thinks it can cope with what's left.
The binmen came to mine today, no free 80% for them, and many others.
The binmen came to mine today, no free 80% for them, and many others.
The unappealing choice of exit strategy is more broadly just an unappealing lockdown strategy.
Its always been difficult to remove laws but many dont think about that when theyre setting them.
Its always been difficult to remove laws but many dont think about that when theyre setting them.
I have a feeling that western governments are going to end up with a lot more powers after this that will not be stopped after it ends.
The public are in danger of sleep walking into it through fear.
The public are in danger of sleep walking into it through fear.
Nothing gets done without powers in these times, it wasn't a plot. They appealed for common sense to begin with and look what they got.
mandatory vaccines?
Vaccination should absolutely be mandatory
Vaccination should absolutely be mandatory
Why Edy?
Countries like Portugal and Sweden do not make it mandatory and have some of the highest rates in the world.
When the state starts forcing people to have drugs pumped into them you are on a slippery slope.
Countries like Portugal and Sweden do not make it mandatory and have some of the highest rates in the world.
When the state starts forcing people to have drugs pumped into them you are on a slippery slope.
Because it's been shown that parents suck and are susceptible to believe the conspiracy loons on social media.
Germany did just make measles vaccination mandatory anyway, and had made it mandatory regarding things like smallpox (the UK did this too) in the past. I think the mandatory smallpox vaccination can be called rather successful.
Germany did just make measles vaccination mandatory anyway, and had made it mandatory regarding things like smallpox (the UK did this too) in the past. I think the mandatory smallpox vaccination can be called rather successful.
InsiderTrader • March 31, 2020 11:37 AM BST
I have a feeling that western governments are going to end up with a lot more powers after this that will not be stopped after it ends.
The public are in danger of sleep walking into it through fear.
ha ha Hungary became an actual dictatorship yesterday - didn't see you starting a thread about it - I wonder why.
I have a feeling that western governments are going to end up with a lot more powers after this that will not be stopped after it ends.
The public are in danger of sleep walking into it through fear.
ha ha Hungary became an actual dictatorship yesterday - didn't see you starting a thread about it - I wonder why.
But some people will demand the right to catch smallpox edy.
IT- it's not going to be just Germany, you have to watch this video, I saw this a few days ago it's an interview with Bill Gates talking about certificates issued for testing positive or receiving a vaccine, without which you can't travel anywhere.
You Can't Travel Without a "VACCINE CERTIFICATE" - Bill Gates
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5oQp-GVMJU
You Can't Travel Without a "VACCINE CERTIFICATE" - Bill Gates
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5oQp-GVMJU
You already need to provide proof of vaccination for certain diseases for plenty of countries as it is. Don't ya guys in the UK have a lil vaccination book?
Like, if I wanted to take my dog into the UK, he'd need a vaccination chip that provides proof for rabies vaccination.
My post about the mandatory rabies dog vaccination wasn't a question in case it's about that.
edy
31 Mar 20 11:54
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You already need to provide proof of vaccination for certain diseases for plenty of countries as it is. Don't ya guys in the UK have a lil vaccination book?
31 Mar 20 11:54
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You already need to provide proof of vaccination for certain diseases for plenty of countries as it is. Don't ya guys in the UK have a lil vaccination book?
Keep track? What vaccinations Edy?
What are you talking about?
What are you talking about?
Many years ago, I was all set to travel from Port Harcourt to Malabo on a Saturday morning.
Now, as was normal during that period of my life, I had been out on the batter the night before.
When asked by the officials at the airport to produce my vaccination records, I was unable to locate it.
I searched high and low, every pocket, every little hidey hole in my bag.
Could I find it? Could I buggery.
Now, this was a problem as a yellow fever certificate is required upon arrival in Equatorial Guinea.
What to do, I'd be in big trouble if I missed that flight, the next one wasn't until Tuesday.
Fortunately, the ever helpful immigration officials had a solution.
"Come with me", said the immigration officer, and I duly followed him in to an adjoining room.
So, what was waiting for me in this mystery room?
Perhaps there would be a nurse, on standby for forgetful travellers, ready to provide a yellow fever vaccination.
Not at all.
Instead, there were a couple of likely lads merrily producing fake vaccination certificates.
Five minutes later, yellow fever certificate in hand, I left the room and proceeded to board the plane.
And all for the very reasonable sum of just 200 naira.
Once on board, the panic over, I sat down and began to rearrange the contents of my bag following the earlier rummage.
And lo and behold, what did I find.
Yes, you've guessed it, my vaccination booklet, including evidence of a real yellow fever vaccination.
Now, as was normal during that period of my life, I had been out on the batter the night before.
When asked by the officials at the airport to produce my vaccination records, I was unable to locate it.
I searched high and low, every pocket, every little hidey hole in my bag.
Could I find it? Could I buggery.
Now, this was a problem as a yellow fever certificate is required upon arrival in Equatorial Guinea.
What to do, I'd be in big trouble if I missed that flight, the next one wasn't until Tuesday.
Fortunately, the ever helpful immigration officials had a solution.
"Come with me", said the immigration officer, and I duly followed him in to an adjoining room.
So, what was waiting for me in this mystery room?
Perhaps there would be a nurse, on standby for forgetful travellers, ready to provide a yellow fever vaccination.
Not at all.
Instead, there were a couple of likely lads merrily producing fake vaccination certificates.
Five minutes later, yellow fever certificate in hand, I left the room and proceeded to board the plane.
And all for the very reasonable sum of just 200 naira.
Once on board, the panic over, I sat down and began to rearrange the contents of my bag following the earlier rummage.
And lo and behold, what did I find.
Yes, you've guessed it, my vaccination booklet, including evidence of a real yellow fever vaccination.
And no, no refund was forthcoming from the helpful airport offcials 
Mar 31, 2020 -- 1:12PM, InsiderTrader wrote:
Keep track? What vaccinations Edy?What are you talking about?
...well keep track of your vaccinations...
a lil book or booklet, possibly with a WHO logo in front. In e.g my two books (one GDR, one WHO) it says lil edy was vaccinated against chickenpox on date so and so, against tetanus on date so and so, refreshed then and then, some nice stamps for Hepatitis B...
Are you from a lineage of anti-vaccers to not have such a thing?
I wonder what would be the best result for a fit healthy person.. A) to catch the virus naturally, go into isolation and make a full recovery resulting in a better immune system? or B) Have it injected into the fit healthy person's bloodstream with a bunch of other chemicals?
On the other hand, if you are big pharma and stand to gain vasts sums of money through all the millions of vaccines then it would be a good idea to tell everybody to self-isolate until the vaccines are ready.
On the other hand, if you are big pharma and stand to gain vasts sums of money through all the millions of vaccines then it would be a good idea to tell everybody to self-isolate until the vaccines are ready.
As I said about 3 weeks ago, it would be handy for all of us if all the conspiracy nuts refused vaccines. Perhaps when a better pandemic comes along...
Vaccination booklets in the UK would be a runaway success if they just printed them in deep blue (or black) with a crowned lion and a unicorn.
I just had a quick rummage and can't find my one 
It has an Air France logo on it, they have a location near Les Invalides in Paris which is where I received many of my vaccinations.
It has an Air France logo on it, they have a location near Les Invalides in Paris which is where I received many of my vaccinations.
Most things Germany come up with is very sensible...this sounds sensible to me
This virus is a situation we have never faced before....anything that works is ok with me
Your Doctor ma6 well have a copy of all your vaccinations
I would not want a vaccine against coved. I am not sure I trust the authorities or drug companies.
1984 is coming as I have said before
I would not want a vaccine against coved. I am not sure I trust the authorities or drug companies.
1984 is coming as I have said before
If that's the case you are never allowed to take any medication or generally pharmaceutical product.
Mar 31, 2020 -- 1:56PM, UBLE/REGY wrote:
Most things Germany come up with is very sensible...this sounds sensible to me
Their two biggest ideas weren't sensible or successful and lots of people did die. 
UBLE/REGY hope you are well mate. 
Germans absolutely love rules but they are I think not into being spied on?
Back when the authoritarian d1ckheads of the Blair government wanted to 1984 us with their ID card system, one of the major issues was it wasn't just an ID card it was to give an integrated tracking system to monitor and control what we could do and build up profiles of us with the card being just one part of it. As people would say at the time, the problem was really "the database". At the time anyway it was said the German ID card system was specifically to NOT do that, as they speifically did not want to create the sort of stassi style system the control freak creeps in New Labour wanted to create. So it was unfair to use their card as an example of how benign our system would be. So if that was true, there is an ethos there, due to history.
If the germans produce a system that allows people immune to it to go about the business, it seems eminently sensible.
I can't find the damned link but I watched an intersting video a week or two ago with a senior guy with the WHO I think it was discussing how as immmunity spread having say a wristband or whatever might be a good idea.
I personally want a little light in all our palms. Activated by 5G
Back when the authoritarian d1ckheads of the Blair government wanted to 1984 us with their ID card system, one of the major issues was it wasn't just an ID card it was to give an integrated tracking system to monitor and control what we could do and build up profiles of us with the card being just one part of it. As people would say at the time, the problem was really "the database". At the time anyway it was said the German ID card system was specifically to NOT do that, as they speifically did not want to create the sort of stassi style system the control freak creeps in New Labour wanted to create. So it was unfair to use their card as an example of how benign our system would be. So if that was true, there is an ethos there, due to history.
If the germans produce a system that allows people immune to it to go about the business, it seems eminently sensible.
I can't find the damned link but I watched an intersting video a week or two ago with a senior guy with the WHO I think it was discussing how as immmunity spread having say a wristband or whatever might be a good idea.
I personally want a little light in all our palms. Activated by 5G
JC Will the wrist bands be all inclusive as well. Probably will be as everwhere we might want to go to is closed.
Will the wrist bands be all inclusive as well. Probably will be as everwhere we might want to go to is closed.
when asked about german testing today cabinet minister grant schnapps basically said yeh but they havnt built a 4000 bed hospital in 2 weeks, poor sap no one had the heart to tell him ,they've no need to build one,
If everyone over 60 was killed the health system would cope easily with Corona. It's the useless old waenkers making it look like the end of the world. What use exactly is someone above 60? I am for a fixed lifespan for everyone. People will learn to keep emotions out of it and once they do that they'll realize 60 years are enough for a great life.
Solves the pension issue too. Less burden on welfare and Healthcare.
would imagine sky etc will eventually be allowed in uk hospitals like in Italy,spain,usa and think people will think of current situation differently,its all shielded away at present,happening over there etc
We are at WAR, at war with Coronavirus..
We take what measures we can to protect ourselves, a vaccination does not seem too much to ask
We expect parents to have babies and young children vaccinated, well us Adults must learn to take our own medicine
We take what measures we can to protect ourselves, a vaccination does not seem too much to ask
We expect parents to have babies and young children vaccinated, well us Adults must learn to take our own medicine
Mar 31, 2020 -- 2:30PM, detraveller wrote:
If everyone over 60 was killed the health system would cope easily with Corona. It's the useless old waenkers making it look like the end of the world. What use exactly is someone above 60? I am for a fixed lifespan for everyone. People will learn to keep emotions out of it and once they do that they'll realize 60 years are enough for a great life.
Did you watch the Star Trek episode where an alien lifeform did this?
And don't forget Logan's Run, the cut off age was brought down to just 30 in that film
No I am not a star trek fan. And I'm not volunteering to do the killing. I don't see why you would need volunteers. MACHINES ffs. Or 5G.
In e.g my two books (one GDR, one WHO) it says lil edy was vaccinated against chickenpox on date so and so
I didn't know that you grew up in East Germany.
I didn't know that you grew up in East Germany.
Then you have to understand that everyone in the UK gets various cards or certificates stamped when they receive vaccinations, then simply loses them as the years pass by. It's the way we are and the way this country works.
Dog vaccinations are different: every dog owner has an up-to-date record of annual boosters and knows where it is. But most people outside certain occupations haven't a clue when they last received a tetanus jab, for instance, and wouldn't know how to find out the answer even if they were interested.
It's a reflection of the sort of attitude that made life better on this side of the iron curtain than the other. I can understand people's reluctance to change that.
Dog vaccinations are different: every dog owner has an up-to-date record of annual boosters and knows where it is. But most people outside certain occupations haven't a clue when they last received a tetanus jab, for instance, and wouldn't know how to find out the answer even if they were interested.
It's a reflection of the sort of attitude that made life better on this side of the iron curtain than the other. I can understand people's reluctance to change that.
If everyone over 60 was killed the health system would cope easily with Corona. It's the useless old waenkers making it look like the end of the world. What use exactly is someone above 60? I am for a fixed lifespan for everyone. People will learn to keep emotions out of it and once they do that they'll realize 60 years are enough for a great life.
not quite with you on that one edysome of us are over 60 on here
I can a still have a great life, not at the moment, but I will when we get sport back on to watch and bet on
That's not edy. That's another poster, on a fishing trip.
Most things Germany come up with is very sensible...this sounds sensible to me
Their two biggest ideas weren't sensible or successful and lots of people did die.
You are right there foxy, we need to do a bit better against Coronavirus
than the Germans did against the Allies
As long as we don't invade Russia, we may do a bit better than Hitler did..erm….hopefully
Their two biggest ideas weren't sensible or successful and lots of people did die.
You are right there foxy, we need to do a bit better against Coronavirus
than the Germans did against the Allies
As long as we don't invade Russia, we may do a bit better than Hitler did..erm….hopefully
dt
Have you started a Neo-Neo-Nazi party? Be careful if you have because you're not of Aryan birth so you'll be a goner. Maybe the sooner the better.
Have you started a Neo-Neo-Nazi party? Be careful if you have because you're not of Aryan birth so you'll be a goner. Maybe the sooner the better.
Mar 31, 2020 -- 3:35PM, InsiderTrader wrote:
Makes sense.
Does it?
Mar 31, 2020 -- 4:04PM, Charlie wrote:
dtHave you started a Neo-Neo-Nazi party? Be careful if you have because you're not of Aryan birth so you'll be a goner. Maybe the sooner the better.
No parties allowed for now.
Mar 31, 2020 -- 12:56PM, UBLE/REGY wrote:
Most things Germany come up with is very sensible...this sounds sensible to me
They are demolishing villages to dig up coal to burn, their car manufacturers lied to the world for years about car emissions. They care mainly about themselves -nothing wrong with that for me- and I think perhaps they are not so trustworthy behind the veneer.
Most things Germany come up with is very sensible...this sounds sensible to me
They are demolishing villages to dig up coal to burn, their car manufacturers lied to the world for years about car emissions. They care mainly about themselves -nothing wrong with that for me- and I think perhaps they are not so trustworthy behind the veneer.
Mar 31, 2020 -- 5:25PM, saddo wrote:
Mar 31, 2020 -- 12:56PM, UBLE/REGY wrote:Most things Germany come up with is very sensible...this sounds sensible to meThey are demolishing villages to dig up coal to burn, their car manufacturers lied to the world for years about car emissions. They care mainly about themselves -nothing wrong with that for me- and I think perhaps they are not so trustworthy behind the veneer.
Dont forget they are the real rulers of the EU, and are letting Greece and its islands be destroyed by illegal migrants and fining Italy millions while sending aid to Iran...Germany...no thanks!
Mar 31, 2020 -- 5:25PM, saddo wrote:
Mar 31, 2020 -- 12:56PM, UBLE/REGY wrote:Most things Germany come up with is very sensible...this sounds sensible to meThey are demolishing villages to dig up coal to burn, their car manufacturers lied to the world for years about car emissions. They care mainly about themselves -nothing wrong with that for me- and I think perhaps they are not so trustworthy behind the veneer.
That's a right wing Christian Democrat government for you
I've certainly had a card with vaccines listed on it when I went on an exotic holiday.
I was just thinking a while ago, after I slashed my hand open on a dirty bit of metal in a particularly dirty environment "not had a tetanus in a while"!
I was just thinking a while ago, after I slashed my hand open on a dirty bit of metal in a particularly dirty environment "not had a tetanus in a while"!
agree with saddo .... good idea to be able to get a pass and roam 
having that pass means that you have been careful not to catch it
having that pass means that you have been careful not to catch it
The old Ken Dodd joke: "The newsagent in our town was a German. Every morning we'd kick his door in and demand to see his papers."
They can track you on your mobile phone. They will be able to tell people next to you on the train if you are a corona risk.
I want to know who they are?
I want to know who they are?
What a ridiculous premise to justify a form of racism that Brits have happily nurtured throughout my lifetime.
Germany is streets ahead of the UK in dealing with coronavirus.
Govt UK's "ambition" is to test 25,000 a day by the end of April. At that speed, it would take ten years to get everyone cleared and allow British subjects their lost freedom back. Current rate is 8,000 a day, leading to perpetual lockdown in the UK.
Germany is streets ahead of the UK in dealing with coronavirus.
Govt UK's "ambition" is to test 25,000 a day by the end of April. At that speed, it would take ten years to get everyone cleared and allow British subjects their lost freedom back. Current rate is 8,000 a day, leading to perpetual lockdown in the UK.
Is the uk not going to up the testing rate of 25,000 a day after April?
In no way racist to state that Germany helps to secure it's Euro dominance by showing scant regard to pollution and sharp - illegal even - business practice, UB. You are far too clever to believe what you accused people of there.
still making fkn great holes in the country and destroying villages so they can feed filthy coal for power to speed up manufacture of machines - its 1939 -45 all over again
moisok 01 Apr 20 14:20
still making fkn great holes in the country and destroying villages so they can feed filthy coal for power
All this while their EU flunkies are instructed to beatify Greta and spread her message. No one blinks an eye.
still making fkn great holes in the country and destroying villages so they can feed filthy coal for power
All this while their EU flunkies are instructed to beatify Greta and spread her message. No one blinks an eye.
only a quarter of their electicity supply relies on coal so I suppose we should be grateful they are not china
but don't tell all the villagers who lost their homes bulldozed in the blitzkrieg these last years
but don't tell all the villagers who lost their homes bulldozed in the blitzkrieg these last years
Mr Hancock thinks the German idea of a certificate is quite a good one.
he would do he thinks he,s immune, which is one reason it shouldn't happen,the likes of him are already me,.me,me,those at the bottom will be last to get one
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