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dave, I know it's a different study, but same people, same hospital and from a quick look same methology.
Fire-and-Ice, you were the one urging for a bit of balance just the other day. Now the virologist urging cautioness instead of hyping a drug (with a number of known complications) as the wonder cure based on a non-peer reviewed study with potentially a number of methological problems up is the "expert naysayer"? Please... |
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from the - Ibrahima Sonko - Link (above) ...
The move comes after infectious diseases specialist Didier Raoult announced new clinical results that show 78 out of 80 patients treated with chloroquine recovered within five days The five-day recovery time is “considerably” faster “than the usual 14 days and for some it can go up to 28 days if they recover at all,” the outlet highlighted. ----------- That - 5-days - is identical to the recovery period of the 98-year-old man that I highlighted earlier - who was treated with a COMBINATION of ... Hydroxychloroquine with Azithromycin - as I posted - having got that information from the 98-year-old man's man's daughter - who posted as such (in the comments section underneath the newspapers website story) - and she also posted this Graph link to the use of the Drugs (as I also posted earlier) https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Hydroxychloroquine_final_DOI_IJAA-24-1038x553.jpg ------------ Those who listened to Trump's daily Bulletin yesterday - will have also heard him say ... "We are trialling a combination of drug of - Hydroxychloroquine with Azithromycin - on 1000 patients - that started yesterday, as the signs are good." |
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pdfs don't cut and paste well, anyone who wants can read it. As I said it looks promising apart from no ideas about why it should work (that I can see).
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You seem so certain giggilo and I doubt the the doctor posts on here and probably isnt a gambling man
Why dont you ask him what the odds are if you've lost your bottle Add 20% on to the overround if you wish? |
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Terry accuses millions of people of mass murder (pilots, telecoms workers , doctors, scientists etc) . Is that libellous enough to report Fire.
Or maybe you would prefer to ignore those "libellous " posts & report people who point out that vaccines save lives? |
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What are the known complications edy.
Why is France sanctioning this drug? You another who thinks they are wrong? What odds you give me? Why is it so hard for 'gamblers' who are so convinced they are right unable to price this up? |
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What are the known complications edy.
Why is France sanctioning this drug? You another who thinks they are wrong? What odds you give me? Why is it so hard for 'gamblers' who are so convinced they are right unable to price this up? |
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I clicked that message once^^ no idea why it doubled
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On a more serious note:
Convenience stores selling Easter eggs are facing interference from “heavy-handed” officials trying to restrict the range of goods they can sell under coronavirus curbs, a trade body says. Some shops have been told by police and local councils that the chocolate eggs are considered non-essential goods. BBC |
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Still not libellous Mexico, you arent very good at this are you?
I see all the usual doom-mongers/bullies are massed on here as per usual Does your whatsapp group have a name? |
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Fire & Ice I'm not sure why you are getting into conversations with these lot because it is never worth it.
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from what i have read it may help so is worth investigating but the french chap is not without his critics and has previously engaged in unethical behaviour.
https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/03/29/more-on-cloroquine-azithromycin-and-on-dr-raoult i can recommend a chap on twitter - https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom he is a professor in biology who already specialises in calling out bs, in the time of covid 19 he is especially busy. |
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Why don't you price us up? You seem to be very convinced. What odds are you willing to take for it to be the wonder cure?
I'm not convinced it is the wonder cure, nor am I convinced it isn't though. I am simply pointing out that, according to at least expert, the scientific work of this group of authors might not provide as much conclusive evidence as some might hope. |
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Fire-and-Ice 30 Mar 20 13:44
What are the known complications edy. Why is France sanctioning this drug? You another who thinks they are wrong? What odds you give me? Why is it so hard for 'gamblers' who are so convinced they are right unable to price this up? You sound desperate for a bet,comeback to me when the racings on and you can lay me some horses not me laying you prices on some crazy addiction you obvously have then lets see who has the ''bottle''.. |
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Thanks for your post Onlooker.
Now I see why the usual suspects have assembled on this thread Donald Trump seems to be going along with this study! They can't stand it! So predictable   |
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Thats not how it works edy
I asked for odds, you give them. Still stalling I see Are you afraid that this might work and you will look mighty silly when I keep bringing the thread to the top? Have some balls, price up this cure that has no chance |
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^ That really isn't fair re doom mongers etc, all the world aren't looking for ventilators for fun either, nothing wrong with a bit of cautious optimism mixed with realism.
Along with France,Ireland according to that professor seems to think it will "help", no a cure though. |
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he isn't "going along with the study" - his fda ordered a separate USA study as soon as the reports of some success came from China.
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edy 30 Mar 20 13:49
Why don't you price us up? You seem to be very convinced. What odds are you willing to take for it to be the wonder cure? I'm not convinced it is the wonder cure, nor am I convinced it isn't though. I am simply pointing out that, according to at least expert, the scientific work of this group of authors might not provide as much conclusive evidence as some might hope. Fire ad ice is thick as fcuk,he doesn't seem to understand that trils and sample trials unless big enough are not evidence of anything,thats why the US are now doing a 1,000 sample trial instead of just giving it too every patient.. |
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Fire-and-Ice • March 30, 2020 2:52 PM BST
Thats not how it works edy I asked for odds, you give them. Still stalling I see Are you afraid that this might work and you will look mighty silly when I keep bringing the thread to the top? Have some balls, price up this cure that has no chance uhm...What part exactly of "I'm not convinced it is the wonder cure, nor am I convinced it isn't though. I am simply pointing out that, according to at least expert, the scientific work of this group of authors might not provide as much conclusive evidence as some might hope." did you fail to comprehend? |
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You see, if you seek to provoke me by speaking of my balls and manliness, you will be disappointed because I'm not your typical male who will feel hurt in his pride from that kind of gutter talk.
If you wish to get odds involved, you will have to be the one to come up with them. |
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You sound desperate for a bet,comeback to me when the racings on and you can lay me some horses not me laying you prices on some crazy addiction you obvously have then lets see who has the ''bottle''..
I want a bet on this study which you have dismissed giggilo. Back that mouth of yours up with a real price! |
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and if you go look at jollywagman's post and link, it's another expert naysayer to add to Drosten.
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Fire-and-Ice 30 Mar 20 13:58
You sound desperate for a bet,comeback to me when the racings on and you can lay me some horses not me laying you prices on some crazy addiction you obvously have then lets see who has the ''bottle''.. I want a bet on this study which you have dismissed giggilo. Back that mouth of yours up with a real price! I havn't dismissed any stuy.it's just you are as thick as two shoet planks. |
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edy stop squirming. 'gutter talk' indeed. you seem so precious
  if i ask for odds then the person who lays the odds tells me what they are. what bookmakers do you go to? anyway, its obvious you lot hunt in packs and try to derail optimistic threads by hounding people you disagree with. None of you bet, that's for sure |
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giggilo calling me thick. head in hands man
give me some odds you ball-less wonder! |
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For you in language you understand giggilo
I think this cure could work You seem doubtful In terms of odds how doubtful are you? |
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I'm not entirely sure how simply pointing out that, according to multiple experts, there might be some methological problems with the study is "hounding" people I disagree with.
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Chloroquine helps cells uptake/intake zinc, zinc is alkaline and viruses prefer an acidic environment for reproduction/copying, zinc slows the reproduction rate,from my very very limited understanding zinc prevents viruses binding to their prefered protein within the cell,after binding they do a magical thing and copy there own code onto a polymerase chain, they use the ace2 enzyme to gain entry , so they disguise themselves at the door within an entry code, like a trojen type attack, once in they need to copy and chloroquine prevents this via increased zinc lowering or making the protein they want unavailable.The big problem is also the way good guy killer cells massively increase but can't get a proper ID on the bad dudes, adventually just start attacking anything that moves, bit like a bad regime in a bad country. Some advice is to eat whole grains, eat some yogurt as well to help maximise gut process. Just the old eat well, cut out junk, plenty good grub, exercise, simple basic stuff. If chloroquine was a silver bullet it would be in widespread use, (why not) imo, its perhaps because the last thing you need when your nearly dead, have a massive lung infection and weakened immune system is being poisoned perhaps, it won't kill existing virus imvho, only slow repo. Happy to discuss, please no time wasters. Ps prevention is best here,why not wear a mask when at shops.
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Fire-and-Ice 30 Mar 20 14:06
For you in language you understand giggilo I think this cure could work You seem doubtful In terms of odds how doubtful are you? You appear to be seething about something no one will lay odds on or have any idea to price up even if they did as would be guessing,you think someones going to say ye you can have 20/1 on something they have no information about..Attetio seeker to go with trolling and an absolute seether of highest order.. |
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edy Joined: 13 Dec 06
Replies: 22188530 Mar 20 14:06 I'm not entirely sure how simply pointing out that, according to multiple experts, there might be some methological problems with the study is "hounding" people I disagree with. you referred to a single critic of the study and now there are multiple experts who disbelieve. name them please. the hounding was with reference to posters hunting in packs. read the sentence again. you can't hound me alone can you? ive got an idea you are deliberately playing dumb |
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Fire-and-Ice 30 Mar 20 14:13
edy Joined: 13 Dec 06 Replies: 22188530 Mar 20 14:06 I'm not entirely sure how simply pointing out that, according to multiple experts, there might be some methological problems with the study is "hounding" people I disagree with. you referred to a single critic of the study and now there are multiple experts who disbelieve. name them please. the hounding was with reference to posters hunting in packs. read the sentence again. you can't hound me alone can you? ive got an idea you are deliberately playing dumb Another seeth,i refer you to previous seething reference post.. |
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you referred to a single critic of the study and now there are multiple experts who disbelieve.
name them please. edy • March 30, 2020 2:58 PM BST and if you go look at jollywagman's post and link, it's another expert naysayer to add to Drosten. you are welcome. It would be even better if you just read the posts of this thread to begin with instead of asking redundant questions because, in your state of obvious excitement, you obviously ignore half the posts to instead get your next strangely homoerotic comment in. |
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Good post Breadnbutter.
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I'm not seething at all giggilo.
You cant back up the power of your conviction in terms of odds. Nothing to be ashamed of mate Most non-gamblers can't Would've been easier if you had been more forth coming is all I'm not trolling I'm keeping an optimistic thread at the top of the forum Its worth discussing |
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this post was lost in the bitching back and forth.
breadnbutter Joined: 29 Aug 06 Replies: 1048730 Mar 20 14:07 Chloroquine helps cells uptake/intake zinc, zinc is alkaline and viruses prefer an acidic environment for reproduction/copying, zinc slows the reproduction rate,from my very very limited understanding zinc prevents viruses binding to their prefered protein within the cell,after binding they do a magical thing and copy there own code onto a polymerase chain, they use the ace2 enzyme to gain entry , so they disguise themselves at the door within an entry code, like a trojen type attack, once in they need to copy and chloroquine prevents this via increased zinc lowering or making the protein they want unavailable.The big problem is also the way good guy killer cells massively increase but can't get a proper ID on the bad dudes, adventually just start attacking anything that moves, bit like a bad regime in a bad country. Some advice is to eat whole grains, eat some yogurt as well to help maximise gut process. Just the old eat well, cut out junk, plenty good grub, exercise, simple basic stuff. If chloroquine was a silver bullet it would be in widespread use, (why not) imo, its perhaps because the last thing you need when your nearly dead, have a massive lung infection and weakened immune system is being poisoned perhaps, it won't kill existing virus imvho, only slow repo. Happy to discuss, please no time wasters. Ps prevention is best here,why not wear a mask when at shops. Thanks bb |
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Thank you Fire for your legal opinion.
So you are saying in is NOT.libel to accuse an innocent pilot , doctor of mass murder. Glad we have that sorted Fire. Great job BTW to appear on the forum for under a month but have already taken on the important tast of informing the Betfair staff if anyone is libellous in the hope that they have their posting privileges removed. You must be very proud of your important policing role . Shame you were not around a few months ago. There use to be a poster called Dr Crippen who disappeared at about the same time you joined. The two of you could have worked together to keep this forum legal. |
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edy Joined: 13 Dec 06
Replies: 221886 30 Mar 20 14:16 you referred to a single critic of the study and now there are multiple experts who disbelieve. name them please. edy • March 30, 2020 2:58 PM BST and if you go look at jollywagman's post and link, it's another expert naysayer to add to Drosten. you are welcome. It would be even better if you just read the posts of this thread to begin with instead of asking redundant questions because, in your state of obvious excitement, you obviously ignore half the posts to instead get your next strangely homoerotic comment in. ****-erotic? are you 12? your passive-aggressiveness has been noted edy. |
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Fire-and-Ice 30 Mar 20 14:18
I'm not seething at all giggilo. You cant back up the power of your conviction in terms of odds. Nothing to be ashamed of mate Most non-gamblers can't Would've been easier if you had been more forth coming is all I'm not trolling I'm keeping an optimistic thread at the top of the forum Its worth discussing Nope attention seeker,come back to me when horse racings on lets see what happens..i won't forget..  |