I think we need a CHIT CHAT straw poll regarding the Covid-19 CV.

What does msm mean?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M&M's

To be serious, I agree with John.
NO WE ARE NOT BEING TOLD THE TRUTH

A little ambiguous this one John. Yes, I do believe the pandemic is real and its growth is worse than seasonal flu, but are we being told the WHOLE truth? Are we ever?

John W Henry will only believe how serious this pandemic is when he's on his ventilator in intensive care imo. Actually no, he'll probably still believe he's only got the flu!
Prefer the Governments and MSMs version of things to this fellas.
Answer Yes.

Obviously I'm saying Yes.

No there are more deaths being labelled something else..

No

We can't *handle* the truth!

Main Stream Media is bought and paid for.

99.9% of them are unable to lay down straight in their beds.

So that'll be a big fat NO

We may well be not being told the truth

But in the way the OP means, it may be far worse than is being admitted

Although I hope not

not in the way the OP means

No.   The MSM are going overboard.   They follow whatever script/narrative their masters give them.  Screw the truth.

Suspect it is far worse than we are being told.

If we are two weeks behind Italy but 11 weeks from the peak this is going to be brutal

not a word about 7 russian war ships and the 2 russian planes circulating round the UK yesterday.
the answer is a big NO ,they are selling red herrings every day.
The general public are being told nothing.

Wouldn't surprise me if these high profile names are virus free.

They'll be off the scene when many hundreds will be dying.

Wont have to field questions as to why mobilisation was slow.

Why there are not enough ICU beds and ventilators to  treat the dying.

They are posing questions but very few are challenging them to answer the question rather than swerving around it.

That Peston one one of the biggest shills out there.

how do they know when its going to peak when they don't know when its going to end?
i think they just waffle because they don't know themselves,i am beginning to believe that nobody knows nothing about this CV.
BUT EVERYTHING THAT HAS A BEGINNING HAS AN END,thats the good news.

I would like to know more about those who have died.

anyone see that obese guy with no problems who sadly died  - looking at the size of him boozing with a pint in is hand may give you a hint

in Italy 24% of those that have died are health care workers,but this stat is smothered.

I'd like to know why some people die whilst others feel ill for a few days and then get over it.  The impression I get, although not wholly confirmed, is that those succumbing are the ones who'd be in danger with normal flu.

I think a lot of scientists would like to know the answer to that one, Lybertyne.    In a few years time, one of them ought to actually work it out!

That's a shocking stat from Italy brass, if Trump doesn't get his head out of his arse soon, the US Meds could follow the same fate.

in the beginning they said that they would protect the old and the vulnerable and people with serious health conditions ,so they told all these people to stay at home.(somehow i think imvho,that they blamed these people for the spread) but the spread continued and every day younger people between 45 -55 age group are dying ,so when a big number of people die they select a case and then tell the public that this individual was in his 70's and had an underlying health condition.giving the public the impression that all who died either are old or had a health condition.

No we are not being told the truth. In as much as I think this is going to be far worse than we are being told. They don’t want to cause more alarm than there is already.

I had been quite optimistic, until today,  that life might be returning to something resembling normality by the end of the Summer but I don’t see that happening now. Not after seeing these temporary hospitals being set up here with thousands of beds.

I agree with the original poster, but his exercise is wasted and largely worthless as a "survey" because the wording is so flawed and slanted that any results are meaningless. Don't get a job in MR, JWH

in Italy 24% of those that have died are health care workers,but this stat is smothered.
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that's quite worrying   although i read 13%  somewhere  ...but why are so many health care workers dying ?  do they themselves have Underlying Health Problems  ?   

the young nurses i would expect to recover from a bout as i heard the viral load doesn't matter  with this  virus  ...not sure what to make of it all

Just seems to be the more exposure you get the more ill you get,which means no one is safe,can only be a matter of time that families that have it will see younger deaths already been quite a few in 30-40s and even younger..

Just seems to be the more exposure you get the more ill you get
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that was my first thought ...but then i read different  ....  it would explain everything if you were correct though

Well firstly the OP is a conspiracy theorist / troll.
Secondly the question:
"You simply need a YES I BELIEVE THE MSM REPORTS or a NO I DO NOT BELIVE WE ARE BEING TOLD THE TRUTH."
Is so outragelously obviously biased I doubt Goebbels would even have posed it.

I.e. I don't believe 100% of what I currently hear therefore it's option 2.
I.e. if I "correctly" replied to this imbeclicic conspiracy bull correctly, I'd be on the same 50/50 side as
the headcases who believe corona is creation of .. lizards? Fascist? Russians? I lose track. Anyway...

Wasn't there something about men with bloodgroup A being far higher death rates in Italy,can't remember where i heard or saw it now maybe CNN..

I always believe everything my sainted mother tells me.

I'd like to know why some people die whilst others feel ill for a few days and then get over it.  The impression I get, although not wholly confirmed, is that those succumbing are the ones who'd be in danger with normal flu.

I did think think that too but now am more convinced there are either a couple of strains, mild or killer. Many people with low immune or copd type weakness will have trouble coping. The longer you stay on a ventilator the less chance you have of surviving I think but don’t know to be the truth.

Oh and I wouldn’t trust the Government to sit on the toilet the right way!

As for the MSN why would anyone trust the Murdochs, Black or Rothermere?

In a war or crisis like this you are never told the truth by MSM or government. History is littered with examples and the MSM is used as a tool for propaganda to misinform the people. The truth often never comes out but sometimes it does, usually decades later. It is the same in every country.

Re Italy, nobody seems to be highlighting the fact that, while Italy has twice the ICU beds of the UK and is considered to have a very good healthcare system, that is largely irrelevant when the outbreak is largely contained within Lombardy which has a population of about 10-11m, ie 1/6th of Italy's total, but it has 40%+ of cases and 60%+ of the deaths. That is the main reason why Italy is so bad, the health service in Lombardy was overwhelmed much earlier and for much longer than anywhere else in Europe and no country in the world could cope with such a confined outbreak. Yet all we hear are comparisons between Italy and other countries and the media asking why it's so bad in Italy, when the answer is obvious. You need to separate Lombardy from the rest of Italy if making a comparison, Lombardy is a freak case and should be treated like a separate country with its own ICU bed numbers etc etc.

Also note that the UK death figures are reported as 'of those hospitalised....' What about people not hospitalised? Do other countries only report people who died in hospital? I don't think so.

Re it being comparable to flu. Stop comparing the current death numbers to flu. None of these measures are being taken because of the current death rate. Just hold your horses for a couple of weeks and you'll see what the real death rate is, but with lockdown measures in place. Flu is something that there is a vaccine for and it doesn't spread like this virus can. If the numbers end up being comparable to flu after the peak it will be because of all of these measures. Think about it, flu kills x amount every year with no restrictions on people and a vaccine available. Comparing flu to a virus with no vaccine where people aren't allowed out of their homes while it spreads is just idiotic. If the numbers are the same in the end then people will claim that lockdown wasn't necessary which is just as idiotic.

World governments are working from the same script with this Sniffles-19-Flu to gain total control over you and your freedoms.

ARE WE ARE NOT BEING TOLD THE TRUTH? lol

No.

Manipulation of data to suit the story. Of course there’s a virus but the reaction and reports are most odd. Mortality rates are given as fact, when NOONE knows the rate unless everyone is tested regularly.

The failure of journalists to question  the open borders and inbound flights from hotspots (without quarantine) has been strange. When the average UK daily death rate is mentioned, the response is ‘so what?’ as if 1500-1700
daily deaths don’t matter!

I fully understand the attempt to ease pressure on the NHS by slowing infection. But every winter the NHS is stretched and often struggles to cope. Its workload has increased by huge amounts in the last 20 years. This context is not being mentioned.

I keep mentioning excess winter mortality. 50 100 EXTRA deaths in a 17 week period 2 years ago in part due to viruses. Not heard anything in the MSM about this.

In the US, this:
Flu season in the US, which runs from October through May, claims tens of thousands of lives every year. This season CDC estimates that, as of mid-March, between 29,000 and 59,000 have died due to influenza illnesses. Add to that the misery of hundreds of thousands of flu-related hospitalizations and millions of medical visits for flu symptoms this season.


https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year

The failure of Journalists is most disturbing. They do appear to be asking questions now but the damage was done via flights that brought disease to these shores and not just from “ Foreigners “

I think a lot of people went on ski trips and brought the disease back from Italy, Austria and Switzerland. I think a lot of “ well heeled “ and “ intelligent “ people continued with their holidays and should not have been allowed to.

The Government seem to be concerned with an NHS meltdown and understandably so but why oh why didn’t they shut the stable door. Easy for us to say with hindsight of course but they knew or should have known where this was heading. France threatened to close our borders last Friday if we didn’t lockdown

Leif could not have put it better-NO of course not .