I think we need a CHIT CHAT straw poll regarding the Covid-19 CV.

What does msm mean?

To be serious, I agree with John.
NO WE ARE NOT BEING TOLD THE TRUTH

John W Henry will only believe how serious this pandemic is when he's on his ventilator in intensive care imo. Actually no, he'll probably still believe he's only got the flu!
Prefer the Governments and MSMs version of things to this fellas.
Answer Yes.

No there are more deaths being labelled something else..

We can't *handle* the truth!

We may well be not being told the truth

But in the way the OP means, it may be far worse than is being admitted

Although I hope not

No.   The MSM are going overboard.   They follow whatever script/narrative their masters give them.  Screw the truth.

not a word about 7 russian war ships and the 2 russian planes circulating round the UK yesterday.
the answer is a big NO ,they are selling red herrings every day.
The general public are being told nothing.

how do they know when its going to peak when they don't know when its going to end?
i think they just waffle because they don't know themselves,i am beginning to believe that nobody knows nothing about this CV.
BUT EVERYTHING THAT HAS A BEGINNING HAS AN END,thats the good news.

anyone see that obese guy with no problems who sadly died  - looking at the size of him boozing with a pint in is hand may give you a hint

I'd like to know why some people die whilst others feel ill for a few days and then get over it.  The impression I get, although not wholly confirmed, is that those succumbing are the ones who'd be in danger with normal flu.

That's a shocking stat from Italy brass, if Trump doesn't get his head out of his arse soon, the US Meds could follow the same fate.

No we are not being told the truth. In as much as I think this is going to be far worse than we are being told. They don’t want to cause more alarm than there is already.

I had been quite optimistic, until today,  that life might be returning to something resembling normality by the end of the Summer but I don’t see that happening now. Not after seeing these temporary hospitals being set up here with thousands of beds.

in Italy 24% of those that have died are health care workers,but this stat is smothered.
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that's quite worrying   although i read 13%  somewhere  ...but why are so many health care workers dying ?  do they themselves have Underlying Health Problems  ?   

the young nurses i would expect to recover from a bout as i heard the viral load doesn't matter  with this  virus  ...not sure what to make of it all

Just seems to be the more exposure you get the more ill you get
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that was my first thought ...but then i read different  ....  it would explain everything if you were correct though

Wasn't there something about men with bloodgroup A being far higher death rates in Italy,can't remember where i heard or saw it now maybe CNN..

I'd like to know why some people die whilst others feel ill for a few days and then get over it.  The impression I get, although not wholly confirmed, is that those succumbing are the ones who'd be in danger with normal flu.

I did think think that too but now am more convinced there are either a couple of strains, mild or killer. Many people with low immune or copd type weakness will have trouble coping. The longer you stay on a ventilator the less chance you have of surviving I think but don’t know to be the truth.

In a war or crisis like this you are never told the truth by MSM or government. History is littered with examples and the MSM is used as a tool for propaganda to misinform the people. The truth often never comes out but sometimes it does, usually decades later. It is the same in every country.

Re Italy, nobody seems to be highlighting the fact that, while Italy has twice the ICU beds of the UK and is considered to have a very good healthcare system, that is largely irrelevant when the outbreak is largely contained within Lombardy which has a population of about 10-11m, ie 1/6th of Italy's total, but it has 40%+ of cases and 60%+ of the deaths. That is the main reason why Italy is so bad, the health service in Lombardy was overwhelmed much earlier and for much longer than anywhere else in Europe and no country in the world could cope with such a confined outbreak. Yet all we hear are comparisons between Italy and other countries and the media asking why it's so bad in Italy, when the answer is obvious. You need to separate Lombardy from the rest of Italy if making a comparison, Lombardy is a freak case and should be treated like a separate country with its own ICU bed numbers etc etc.

Also note that the UK death figures are reported as 'of those hospitalised....' What about people not hospitalised? Do other countries only report people who died in hospital? I don't think so.

Re it being comparable to flu. Stop comparing the current death numbers to flu. None of these measures are being taken because of the current death rate. Just hold your horses for a couple of weeks and you'll see what the real death rate is, but with lockdown measures in place. Flu is something that there is a vaccine for and it doesn't spread like this virus can. If the numbers end up being comparable to flu after the peak it will be because of all of these measures. Think about it, flu kills x amount every year with no restrictions on people and a vaccine available. Comparing flu to a virus with no vaccine where people aren't allowed out of their homes while it spreads is just idiotic. If the numbers are the same in the end then people will claim that lockdown wasn't necessary which is just as idiotic.

No.

Manipulation of data to suit the story. Of course there’s a virus but the reaction and reports are most odd. Mortality rates are given as fact, when NOONE knows the rate unless everyone is tested regularly.

The failure of journalists to question  the open borders and inbound flights from hotspots (without quarantine) has been strange. When the average UK daily death rate is mentioned, the response is ‘so what?’ as if 1500-1700
daily deaths don’t matter!

I fully understand the attempt to ease pressure on the NHS by slowing infection. But every winter the NHS is stretched and often struggles to cope. Its workload has increased by huge amounts in the last 20 years. This context is not being mentioned.

I keep mentioning excess winter mortality. 50 100 EXTRA deaths in a 17 week period 2 years ago in part due to viruses. Not heard anything in the MSM about this.

In the US, this:
Flu season in the US, which runs from October through May, claims tens of thousands of lives every year. This season CDC estimates that, as of mid-March, between 29,000 and 59,000 have died due to influenza illnesses. Add to that the misery of hundreds of thousands of flu-related hospitalizations and millions of medical visits for flu symptoms this season.


https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year

Leif could not have put it better-NO of course not .