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But while I see very little evidence of a pandemic, and much more of a PanicDemic,
A good play on words!
A good play on words!
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He points out the Governments £330 billion virus package,but how is it going to get paid as Governments have no money.
Neither do banks Peter!Its loaned into existence by the real rulers of our world,central banks.If every man and woman understood this,it would be game over for the elite.
Neither do banks Peter!Its loaned into existence by the real rulers of our world,central banks.If every man and woman understood this,it would be game over for the elite.
I wrote on here last week that we're making a bad situation into a disaster through wrecking the economy, so I agree with Hitchens there.
On top of that he's concerned with civil liberties being thrown out of the window. Add that to the end of free speech which has already gone, and we're hurtling towards a totalitarian society.
On top of that he's concerned with civil liberties being thrown out of the window. Add that to the end of free speech which has already gone, and we're hurtling towards a totalitarian society.
He also wrote a very good piece on the non-spherical nature of the earth.
Make sure that you check it out.
It is, of course, good to know that he recovered fully from his dose of the clap, willy intact.
Make sure that you check it out.
It is, of course, good to know that he recovered fully from his dose of the clap, willy intact.
So a writer Peter Hitchens thinks he knows better than the best scientists and medical experts throughout the world, and has the temerity to use an analogy of himself being misdiagnosed years ago for a trivial matter.
Doesn't mention the mass graves dug in Iran or the suppression of the real figures of deaths in China, Korea etc. Keeping people apart is the only way to stop the spread of this virus and this bloke wants to undermine the measures that need to be taken. Have seen this bloke on TV a few times and he always seems to take an opposing view to nearly everyone else.
Doesn't mention the mass graves dug in Iran or the suppression of the real figures of deaths in China, Korea etc. Keeping people apart is the only way to stop the spread of this virus and this bloke wants to undermine the measures that need to be taken. Have seen this bloke on TV a few times and he always seems to take an opposing view to nearly everyone else.
his type always have to invoke WW2 - as if doing that gives their views more credibility
He quoted eminent scientists and medical people.
Do people just read thread headers on here and jump into dismissive mode?
Do people just read thread headers on here and jump into dismissive mode?
I think Hitchens was right.
The cost in human lives for many years to come of wrecking our economies, I believe, will be greater than the cost now of letting the virus run a natural course - awful though that would be.
But what makes it worse is I suspect that our current course of action will be abandoned when the world realises the cost is too great. But that, I fear, will only be when the damage will have already been done.
In other words, we will may well have wrecked our economies and yet still end up with the virus doing its worse.
This is what usually happens when governments take a wrong decision. They try to put it right too late and we end up with the worst of both worlds.
The cost in human lives for many years to come of wrecking our economies, I believe, will be greater than the cost now of letting the virus run a natural course - awful though that would be.
But what makes it worse is I suspect that our current course of action will be abandoned when the world realises the cost is too great. But that, I fear, will only be when the damage will have already been done.
In other words, we will may well have wrecked our economies and yet still end up with the virus doing its worse.
This is what usually happens when governments take a wrong decision. They try to put it right too late and we end up with the worst of both worlds.
I read it fully, he quoted a small selection of Experts whose view he agrees with, dismissing the collective scientific and medical view. In any field you'll find a small group who disagree with the majority held view.
To me he's a bit like Clarkson just spouts off to get peoples back up, Clarkson was bemoaning the fact that he'd be stuck with a vauxhall corsa for the duration, not to be taken seriously is he.
To me he's a bit like Clarkson just spouts off to get peoples back up, Clarkson was bemoaning the fact that he'd be stuck with a vauxhall corsa for the duration, not to be taken seriously is he.
The WW2 use is just an extension of Godwin's law. Can't we expect better from a professional journalist?
It can just as easily be used to give a totally opposing view I.e......
Our parents generation sacrificed 6 years of their lives, facing real danger & a genuine shortage of basic food & toilet rolls. All the scientists and leaders are asking is we suffer the inconvenience of staying at home for 3 months. Not exactly much of a sacrifice in comparison.... Etc. Etc.
Was WW2 really fought so future generations had the freedom to ignore scientific advice and put the lives of thousands in danger.
I'm going to really miss football, horse racing & going to a restaurant, but hardly the end of the world.
It can just as easily be used to give a totally opposing view I.e......
Our parents generation sacrificed 6 years of their lives, facing real danger & a genuine shortage of basic food & toilet rolls. All the scientists and leaders are asking is we suffer the inconvenience of staying at home for 3 months. Not exactly much of a sacrifice in comparison.... Etc. Etc.
Was WW2 really fought so future generations had the freedom to ignore scientific advice and put the lives of thousands in danger.
I'm going to really miss football, horse racing & going to a restaurant, but hardly the end of the world.
Ge talks a load of drivel but always makes you laugh,that's about it lives in a bit of a fantasy world.
Nobody knows how this will play out in the long run, no doubt everyone will be monitoring China now it's coming out of lockdown to see it the virus escalates again and if people can become reinfected.
Just take sensible precautions and be careful that's all we can do.
Just take sensible precautions and be careful that's all we can do.
Lol Terry you don't make any sense...
So according to you "I won't miss football & that is the end of the world "
Still no links to your "quote" evil Terry. Were they lies? Stop trolling Terry & don't try to harm others.
So according to you "I won't miss football & that is the end of the world "
Still no links to your "quote" evil Terry. Were they lies? Stop trolling Terry & don't try to harm others.
'But at least one expert, John Ioannidis, is not so sure. He is Professor of Medicine, of epidemiology and population health, of biomedical data science, and of statistics at Stanford University in California.
This is a bloke to be ignored? Is he a contrarian? A nut job?
This is a bloke to be ignored? Is he a contrarian? A nut job?
In other words, we will may well have wrecked our economies and yet still end up with the virus doing its worse.
And that's very likely to happen.
And that's very likely to happen.
There’s an advert on telly at the moment about compromises. The one were two brothers end up with tattoos.
Any situation, let alone a worldwide one, results in compromise.
It’s an effing mess whichever way you look at it.
Any situation, let alone a worldwide one, results in compromise.
It’s an effing mess whichever way you look at it.
So you think letting everyone carry on as normal spreading the virus to all and sundry and overwhelming our Hospitals/morgues and crematoriums, killing off an awful lot of older people is a better alternative.
Found an interesting film where an investigator posed as a high ranking govt official phoning a woman in charge of the funerals/cremations in a part of china asking for the number of new bodies arriving each day, she was reorting figures many times what the official death rate figures were and said they could not cope, she herself was in bits and said she was going to throw herself off a bridge as she couldn't stand it anymore! Sounded as if only 6% of figures being released by China.
Yes the financial economy may collapse and businesses will go under, but it will recover in time, dead people don't recover which would you prefer.
Found an interesting film where an investigator posed as a high ranking govt official phoning a woman in charge of the funerals/cremations in a part of china asking for the number of new bodies arriving each day, she was reorting figures many times what the official death rate figures were and said they could not cope, she herself was in bits and said she was going to throw herself off a bridge as she couldn't stand it anymore! Sounded as if only 6% of figures being released by China.
Yes the financial economy may collapse and businesses will go under, but it will recover in time, dead people don't recover which would you prefer.
which would you prefer
What, between lots of deaths, or lots of deaths and a wrecked economy?
Is that the choice?
We know China have clamped down hard, yet you say they're covering up the real figures, therefore clamping down hasn't worked there.
So what makes you so sure that clamping down would work here?
What, between lots of deaths, or lots of deaths and a wrecked economy?
Is that the choice?
We know China have clamped down hard, yet you say they're covering up the real figures, therefore clamping down hasn't worked there.
So what makes you so sure that clamping down would work here?
Crippen, for someone who yesterday informed the forum that you have contacted COVID-19, you appear to have made a quick recovery, up to all of your old tricks.
Good to see that you have recovered
Good to see that you have recovered
Thanks for your well wishes Angoose, but I'm not quite out of the woods yet.
Still coughing, but the fatigue has gone.
Which is about right, because looking on the NHS site it appears to be a pretty unspectacular illness in a healthy person.
Still coughing, but the fatigue has gone.
Which is about right, because looking on the NHS site it appears to be a pretty unspectacular illness in a healthy person.
Looks like PH has read the forum. Most of his stats and links have appeared here.
He’s right to question the doomsday scenario when forecasters have been wildly inaccurate in the past. Let’s not forget Anthropogenic Climate Change is due to wipe millions off the
face if the Earth quite soon. Let’s see how that works out....
We hope these and other predictions are wrong..
He’s right to question the doomsday scenario when forecasters have been wildly inaccurate in the past. Let’s not forget Anthropogenic Climate Change is due to wipe millions off the
face if the Earth quite soon. Let’s see how that works out....
We hope these and other predictions are wrong..
Have you been Tested Dr Crippen? Hope you get well regardless, just wondering in case it's just the cold / other virus, could lay you open ,make you take your guard down.
There has to be a middle way between doing nothing and hysterical overreaction, I fear we've heading a bit too far to the latter.
Although end of the day if in 2 weeks time there are scenes here like Italy and in 4 weeks time worse, the government will be firmly on the receiving end of ferocious abuse and I'm sure they are aware of it. People might want to think about the responsibility they bare.
Just look at the internet and this forum, some people are screaming for a lockdown and saying Boris etc are incompetent for not doing it already.
Locking down transport in and out of London and so on. Other saying it's all overreaction.
They can't please everybody, that much is obvious, there are always going to be a large fraction saying he's done it wrong and they know better, especially the prejudiced chippy haters who will find fault in ANYTHING he does as he's posh tory who went Eton...
Although end of the day if in 2 weeks time there are scenes here like Italy and in 4 weeks time worse, the government will be firmly on the receiving end of ferocious abuse and I'm sure they are aware of it. People might want to think about the responsibility they bare.
Just look at the internet and this forum, some people are screaming for a lockdown and saying Boris etc are incompetent for not doing it already.
Locking down transport in and out of London and so on. Other saying it's all overreaction.
They can't please everybody, that much is obvious, there are always going to be a large fraction saying he's done it wrong and they know better, especially the prejudiced chippy haters who will find fault in ANYTHING he does as he's posh tory who went Eton...
Italy we hope is the exception. 100k Chinese in northern Italy. Many direct flights to Wuhan.
Older population, often excess winter deaths, extended families, more smokers etc.
Older population, often excess winter deaths, extended families, more smokers etc.
Doesn't look so exceptional when you compare the rate of progress with other European countries .....
| Country Population | 60.5M | 46.7M | 65.3M | 67.9M | 83.8M |
| Days Between Deaths | Italy | Spain | France | UK | Germany |
| From 1 to 10 | 5 | 4 | 15 | 7 | 6 |
| From 10 to 100 | 8 | 6 | 8 | 6 | |
| From 100 to 1,000 | 8 | 7 | |||
| From 1,000 to 2,000 | 4 | ||||
| From 2,000 to 4,000 | 4 |
Angoose 22 Mar 20 14:09
Crippen, for someone who yesterday informed the forum that you have contacted COVID-19, you appear to have made a quick recovery, up to all of your old tricks.
Good to see that you have recovered
He never had it,i've been iller than him for several weeks and still am..
Crippen, for someone who yesterday informed the forum that you have contacted COVID-19, you appear to have made a quick recovery, up to all of your old tricks.
Good to see that you have recovered
He never had it,i've been iller than him for several weeks and still am..
From the government perspective, it's actually pretty much a no brainer: They have to err on the side of an caution that may be overreaction.
If things go bad and there are solid grounds to say they've not done enough, it's bad for public health reasons (people died and arguably they have some responsiblty for this due to inaction) and political reasons (they'll be shredded for it).
All the other European countries have went into panic mode, which will just feed into allegations of "we should have" if things go wrong.
Already the press have been trying that angle. I think as this is dominating the 24 hour news cycle and attention so much they forget how quickly it's moved from a bit "meh" to "ahh I'm sh1tting my pants", it feels like weeks but it's only Monday things turned, and everyone is now an expert.
It's a no brainer they have to make firm steps, that's just the objective reality from pretty much every angle. just think it through, it's the only real option available, for 2 primary reasons listed above. People may not like it but reality is reality. IT'll be the same for many governments which is why they are all going that way. It doesn't mean they are closet fascists who want to p1ss on our liberties.
If things go bad and there are solid grounds to say they've not done enough, it's bad for public health reasons (people died and arguably they have some responsiblty for this due to inaction) and political reasons (they'll be shredded for it).
All the other European countries have went into panic mode, which will just feed into allegations of "we should have" if things go wrong.
Already the press have been trying that angle. I think as this is dominating the 24 hour news cycle and attention so much they forget how quickly it's moved from a bit "meh" to "ahh I'm sh1tting my pants", it feels like weeks but it's only Monday things turned, and everyone is now an expert.
It's a no brainer they have to make firm steps, that's just the objective reality from pretty much every angle. just think it through, it's the only real option available, for 2 primary reasons listed above. People may not like it but reality is reality. IT'll be the same for many governments which is why they are all going that way. It doesn't mean they are closet fascists who want to p1ss on our liberties.
Dr Crippen • March 22, 2020 2:15 PM GMT
Which is about right, because looking on the NHS site it appears to be a pretty unspectacular illness in a healthy person.
If there's a marked increase in Alzheimers in the next few years does that mean everybody else has to go on lockdown ?
This is crazy . Some are more vulnerable than others so surely these are the people that need to self-isolate , not every other fkr that ain't at risk !
Which is about right, because looking on the NHS site it appears to be a pretty unspectacular illness in a healthy person.
If there's a marked increase in Alzheimers in the next few years does that mean everybody else has to go on lockdown ?
This is crazy . Some are more vulnerable than others so surely these are the people that need to self-isolate , not every other fkr that ain't at risk !
At risk of spreading the virus or at risk of dying from it?
Henry Ford is often misquoted with the following : "If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses."
Steve Jobs was accurately quoted when he said "It's really hard to design products by focus groups. A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them."
And so it is with the necessary response to COVID-19.
Steve Jobs was accurately quoted when he said "It's really hard to design products by focus groups. A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them."
And so it is with the necessary response to COVID-19.
But the great news is,ive just come back from a walk and thinking as there are no planes or very few we might be spared Chemtrails and the toxic sh1t sprayed on us,but no its business as usual.
politicspunter
How long were you allowed out for?
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Literal LOLed.
How long were you allowed out for?
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Literal LOLed.
you lot can say what you wish
but it is sure on its may to smashing our economy up into little bits
it is like a bull in a china shop - as they say
interesting the chinese SAY they are well sorted
'what could we do next'?
but it is sure on its may to smashing our economy up into little bits
it is like a bull in a china shop - as they say
interesting the chinese SAY they are well sorted
'what could we do next'?
The world is trillions in debt (to who)? so smash up the economy and start again this time with a cashless society eg digital currency. This virus is just perfect for sure a thing to happen
The Knight 22 Mar 20 13:00
But what makes it worse is I suspect that our current course of action will be abandoned when the world realises the cost is too great. But that, I fear, will only be when the damage will have already been done.
In other words, we will may well have wrecked our economies and yet still end up with the virus doing its worse.
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That is the nightmare scenario.
But what makes it worse is I suspect that our current course of action will be abandoned when the world realises the cost is too great. But that, I fear, will only be when the damage will have already been done.
In other words, we will may well have wrecked our economies and yet still end up with the virus doing its worse.
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That is the nightmare scenario.
Germany has just banned gatherings of more than TWO people who aren't family members.
Who'd have thunk the Germans could be so authoritarian!!
Who'd have thunk the Germans could be so authoritarian!!
I think Hitchens and all journalists are right to ask questions particularly to Dumb Dumb Dorris
The powers the Government are assuming need questioning particularly the length of time. They are seeking two years, why?
Can you imagine losing your business and as a consequence your house and still carrying those debts because Dorris ordered your business to close but kept the airports open!
The airports are still open, you know the ones that brought the disease in!
The powers the Government are assuming need questioning particularly the length of time. They are seeking two years, why?
Can you imagine losing your business and as a consequence your house and still carrying those debts because Dorris ordered your business to close but kept the airports open!
The airports are still open, you know the ones that brought the disease in!
‘Listen to the experts’ they say.
The medical experts obviously want to save lives vs liberty. Even started to see a sneering tone from some of them demanding their advice is followed and salivating at the prospect of authoritarian powers to punish those who dare to disagree.
Economic experts. Lol no such thing. Partly why its so hard to stop the medical tyrants.
I doubt there are any experts in all of the medical, economic and political aspects of this.
The experts i want to hear from are the experts in being over 70 and/ or with underlying conditions.
Do they want younger, healthier people to stay indoors, pubs and restaurants to shut their doors, schools closed, curfews, police on the streets etc?
Or would they prefer everyone else got on with their lives while they make their own choices about what to do.
The medical experts obviously want to save lives vs liberty. Even started to see a sneering tone from some of them demanding their advice is followed and salivating at the prospect of authoritarian powers to punish those who dare to disagree.
Economic experts. Lol no such thing. Partly why its so hard to stop the medical tyrants.
I doubt there are any experts in all of the medical, economic and political aspects of this.
The experts i want to hear from are the experts in being over 70 and/ or with underlying conditions.
Do they want younger, healthier people to stay indoors, pubs and restaurants to shut their doors, schools closed, curfews, police on the streets etc?
Or would they prefer everyone else got on with their lives while they make their own choices about what to do.
Italy has 12,500 completed cases i.e. the individual has either recovered or died
Of these, 5,476 have died, that's 43.8% of completed cases.
There are currently 46,638 active cases.
Apply the same percentage to that and you have a further 20,427 deaths.
Of these, 5,476 have died, that's 43.8% of completed cases.
There are currently 46,638 active cases.
Apply the same percentage to that and you have a further 20,427 deaths.
wonder what businessmen are involved in government? or even giving advice
who would benefit from the trashing of western economies?
who would benefit from the trashing of western economies?
After covid-19 just hope we have enough money in the tank to fight off the possiblities of covid-20, covid-21, covid.....
Best to switch on the mega photocopiers to ramp up QE.
Best to switch on the mega photocopiers to ramp up QE.
plus all the needles deaths from other conditions because health service is over run, which will happen anyway if you just let the virus run its course carry on regardless, are hitchens and co going to go round all the houses of people who wouldn't haver died from their condition if the nhs wasn't overun by a virus we didn't try to stop,slow down the spread,
very clever man hitchen probably speaks good Italian wonder how his speech would have went down if he give it in Italy today
very clever man hitchen probably speaks good Italian wonder how his speech would have went down if he give it in Italy today
He's amusing that's about it,typically privileged like johnson and co but ironically nowhere near as bad,he's always worth a read if you want a laugh..
thegiggilo - which part of ‘50 000 excess deaths in ‘17-‘18’ made you laugh the most?
Who said i was talking about that article,why would i be interested in any article by some nobody like peter hitchen ffs..
would i be interested in any article by some nobody like peter hitchen ffs..
You must be interested or you wouldn't have commented
You must be interested or you wouldn't have commented
You seem confused thegiggilo.
You can't find him amusing if you don't read his stuff.
You can't find him amusing if you don't read his stuff.
Have seen him interviewed a few times and found his dry wit amusing,that's it amusing not to be taken seriously as a nobody..
Why is he a nobody, what warrants being somebody ?
What warrants him being worthy of taking seriously on a dealy pandemic all around the globe..bar refelcting some muiddle aged older gentleman on a betting site..
A mere title, a white coat, a smooth manner, a winning way with long words and technical jargon, will never again be enough for me.
Like any profession it has more than its fair share of bull5hitters
Like any profession it has more than its fair share of bull5hitters
right peter ,youve got the I told you so article on the record
your suggestion must be in next weeks paper
seems to me theres only 3 strategies,and were on number 2
airline grounded,economy growing to a halt any way because of rest of worlds reaction,
nhs will eventually crumble just a matter of time under our 1st 2 scenario,s, which leaves the 3rd,wgici we carry on working,living as normal infecting more and more people ,refusing to hospitalise people for corona,led the dying die a horrible death at home surrounded by people not used to coping with it as the nhs carry,s on treating normal patients as though corona wasn't happening, people seem to think there either dying or no mild symptons ,when theres millions in between who wouldn't be able to go to work,like a rough dose of normal flu, imagine outcome 3 in usa with their health care system and public armed to the teeth
seems to me given the 3 options hitchens would go for the current option but say he,s not happy about the possible consequences exactly the same as Johnson is doing, if hitchens would do option 1 herd immunity,or 3 no treatment of victims he should tell us
people only need apply the 3 options to Italy and decide which on they,d take
but at least I told you so is on the record
your suggestion must be in next weeks paper
seems to me theres only 3 strategies,and were on number 2
airline grounded,economy growing to a halt any way because of rest of worlds reaction,
nhs will eventually crumble just a matter of time under our 1st 2 scenario,s, which leaves the 3rd,wgici we carry on working,living as normal infecting more and more people ,refusing to hospitalise people for corona,led the dying die a horrible death at home surrounded by people not used to coping with it as the nhs carry,s on treating normal patients as though corona wasn't happening, people seem to think there either dying or no mild symptons ,when theres millions in between who wouldn't be able to go to work,like a rough dose of normal flu, imagine outcome 3 in usa with their health care system and public armed to the teeth
seems to me given the 3 options hitchens would go for the current option but say he,s not happy about the possible consequences exactly the same as Johnson is doing, if hitchens would do option 1 herd immunity,or 3 no treatment of victims he should tell us
people only need apply the 3 options to Italy and decide which on they,d take
but at least I told you so is on the record
In those days I believed, as so many do, in the medical profession. I was awed by their qualifications. Yet the prospect of a rather nasty operation filled me with gloom and doubt. As I waited miserably for the anaesthetist in the huge London hospital to which I had been sent, a new doctor appeared. I braced myself for another session of being asked ‘Does this hurt?’ and replying, between clenched teeth, that yes it blinking well did. But this third man was different. He did not ask me pointlessly if it hurt. He knew it did. He was, crucially, a thinking man who did not take for granted what he was told
copied the beginning part wrong sorry, this is what it should say ^
Bit alarmist from Peter. In a couple of weeks you should know where you are vis a vis Italy, so not much to ask to take precautious which may seem over the top after the fact. The problem with the general public is they are of average intelligence, which means about half are below average and given the lack of conformity with government requests to socially distance so far from a lot of stupid/selfish idiots, it is clear that the general public need to be told not asked what to do.
There are a lot of factors which make Italy look like a unique case, but given the gravity of the risk rather than the risk itself, it is not a risk worth taking to find out the hard way whether that is actually the case.
Nobody is talking about these measures staying in place indefinitely which he seems to imply might be the case. Economic damage is a given whatever course of action is taken but it's the same everywhere. And it's not the current figures which are the problem, it's the potential for them to grow at an alarming rate like in Italy and we haven't got there yet but will find out very shortly if it is to happen.
There are a lot of factors which make Italy look like a unique case, but given the gravity of the risk rather than the risk itself, it is not a risk worth taking to find out the hard way whether that is actually the case.
Nobody is talking about these measures staying in place indefinitely which he seems to imply might be the case. Economic damage is a given whatever course of action is taken but it's the same everywhere. And it's not the current figures which are the problem, it's the potential for them to grow at an alarming rate like in Italy and we haven't got there yet but will find out very shortly if it is to happen.
Until you see a clear deviation from the path Italy went on, which should be apparent in about a week, the measures can't be considered anything other than prudent compared to doing less or doing nothing
The problem with the general public is they are of average intelligence, which means about half are below average and given the lack of conformity with government requests to socially distance so far from a lot of stupid/selfish idiots, it is clear that the general public need to be told not asked what to do.
Out of context, that doesn’t sound like a vey healthy precedent for governing
Out of context, that doesn’t sound like a vey healthy precedent for governing
Lots of people demonstrating the benefits of hindsight and sniping criticism.
Any healthy people ( no illness , no obesity ,not health workers ) in their 20's /30's /40's dying from this virus ? % is either tiny or nobody.
There's always some with every disease, someone I know had a heart attack when he was 20.
That Dr. McDougall reckons he suffered a stroke when he was 19.
That Dr. McDougall reckons he suffered a stroke when he was 19.
After covid-19 just hope we have enough money in the tank to fight off the possiblities of covid-20, covid-21, covid.
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and i've only just recovered from covid 18
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and i've only just recovered from covid 18
"treetop • March 23, 2020 11:34 AM GMT
Lots of people demonstrating the benefits of hindsight and sniping criticism."
Fantasticly incisive short post. Out of all this sh1t (and it's not been great) the uncanny ability of ever opinionated fecker to have 20/20 hindsight is one othe most sad. The predictable arrogant damaged ****wits who who never believe in reality anyway and always know better as it's a "conspiracy" were always a given ;)
Lots of people demonstrating the benefits of hindsight and sniping criticism."
Fantasticly incisive short post. Out of all this sh1t (and it's not been great) the uncanny ability of ever opinionated fecker to have 20/20 hindsight is one othe most sad. The predictable arrogant damaged ****wits who who never believe in reality anyway and always know better as it's a "conspiracy" were always a given ;)
Hitchens needs to wind his neck in, people like him (Journos) and others have been peddling this shyte since the Spanosh flu....
Derby and Chesterfield Reporter, 12 July 1918, declared that it was “not really a matter for alarm”. The Manchester Guardian scorned protective measures: “Women are not going to wear ugly masks.” What’s more, masks would steam up people’s glasses, and be of “doubtful usefulness at mealtimes”. The Sussex Daily News joked that influenza was no more than “an ingenious attempt” to sabotage the forthcoming general election, while Hanningtons department store in Brighton declared that the best way of treating influenza was spending money at their sale.
He is JUMPING on the 'Narcissus Waggon' (like those 'fckin celebs') just in a poncier way.
NOBODY FCKIN KNOWS ANYTHING SUBSTANTIAL YET!!!, it's too early, but hey presto the many 'experts on here have all the answers!.
Derby and Chesterfield Reporter, 12 July 1918, declared that it was “not really a matter for alarm”. The Manchester Guardian scorned protective measures: “Women are not going to wear ugly masks.” What’s more, masks would steam up people’s glasses, and be of “doubtful usefulness at mealtimes”. The Sussex Daily News joked that influenza was no more than “an ingenious attempt” to sabotage the forthcoming general election, while Hanningtons department store in Brighton declared that the best way of treating influenza was spending money at their sale.
He is JUMPING on the 'Narcissus Waggon' (like those 'fckin celebs') just in a poncier way.
NOBODY FCKIN KNOWS ANYTHING SUBSTANTIAL YET!!!, it's too early, but hey presto the many 'experts on here have all the answers!.
I could print a book on this and elaborate more succinctly, but that would not penetrate the foil hat brigade and other dumbfckers who know it all, that's why the above is such a simple example.
I can't be @rs-e-d.
I can't be @rs-e-d.
Sorry boxing, getting my threads mixed up, i meant to reply to "just Checking" on another thread, said his forearms hurting!
That's the Spirit stewart, 99 change hands is my new mantra. 
where has the 1st post gone with Hitchens article?
how odd?!
how odd?!
TY Injera
Do you have any idea why the original post was deleted btw?
Do you have any idea why the original post was deleted btw?
SontaranStratagem requested Betfair to remove following to his recent conversion from a denier to a believer
Hadn’t noticed. Seems odd.
Being a right old conspiracy theorist, I do worry that alternative views are not welcomed....
Being a right old conspiracy theorist, I do worry that alternative views are not welcomed....
If MEX says Hitchens is talking b0llocks then as you must know by now Pete is on the right track.
In fact, it is highly likely that SontaranStratagem IS Peter Hitchens
It is indeed worrying.
When one reports a post don't you have to give a reason to have it deleted or can we just request deletion?
I might have a busy time if it's the latter
When one reports a post don't you have to give a reason to have it deleted or can we just request deletion?
I might have a busy time if it's the latter
can I take my head out of my waitrose bag now? It is getting hard to breath
Fire,it was a article Hitchens had written questioning lockdown,the same with Make my Hays 5G tread and his first two posts concerning parents worry of 5G towers being put up outside schools that have been closed due to virus, so why would betfair do that?
Terry, I've seen plenty of articles get posted on fora but, thinking about it, if someone
wanted one of these posts gone because they disagreed with its content, then they could shout copyright and the forum owners would delete it straight away?
Well, we can all play that game
wanted one of these posts gone because they disagreed with its content, then they could shout copyright and the forum owners would delete it straight away?
Well, we can all play that game
A very good point that,the likes of mex would defo play that card
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