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But while I see very little evidence of a pandemic, and much more of a PanicDemic,
A good play on words!
A good play on words!
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He points out the Governments £330 billion virus package,but how is it going to get paid as Governments have no money.
Neither do banks Peter!Its loaned into existence by the real rulers of our world,central banks.If every man and woman understood this,it would be game over for the elite. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I wrote on here last week that we're making a bad situation into a disaster through wrecking the economy, so I agree with Hitchens there.
On top of that he's concerned with civil liberties being thrown out of the window. Add that to the end of free speech which has already gone, and we're hurtling towards a totalitarian society. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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And what a surprise that is Doc
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He also wrote a very good piece on the non-spherical nature of the earth.
Make sure that you check it out. It is, of course, good to know that he recovered fully from his dose of the clap, willy intact.  | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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^^leftie comment - lol.
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Bad case of sibling envy.
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That Stanford professor seems to know his onions.
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So a writer Peter Hitchens thinks he knows better than the best scientists and medical experts throughout the world, and has the temerity to use an analogy of himself being misdiagnosed years ago for a trivial matter.
Doesn't mention the mass graves dug in Iran or the suppression of the real figures of deaths in China, Korea etc. Keeping people apart is the only way to stop the spread of this virus and this bloke wants to undermine the measures that need to be taken. Have seen this bloke on TV a few times and he always seems to take an opposing view to nearly everyone else. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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his type always have to invoke WW2 - as if doing that gives their views more credibility
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He quoted eminent scientists and medical people.
Do people just read thread headers on here and jump into dismissive mode? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I think Hitchens was right.
The cost in human lives for many years to come of wrecking our economies, I believe, will be greater than the cost now of letting the virus run a natural course - awful though that would be. But what makes it worse is I suspect that our current course of action will be abandoned when the world realises the cost is too great. But that, I fear, will only be when the damage will have already been done. In other words, we will may well have wrecked our economies and yet still end up with the virus doing its worse. This is what usually happens when governments take a wrong decision. They try to put it right too late and we end up with the worst of both worlds. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I read it fully, he quoted a small selection of Experts whose view he agrees with, dismissing the collective scientific and medical view. In any field you'll find a small group who disagree with the majority held view.
To me he's a bit like Clarkson just spouts off to get peoples back up, Clarkson was bemoaning the fact that he'd be stuck with a vauxhall corsa for the duration, not to be taken seriously is he. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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The WW2 use is just an extension of Godwin's law. Can't we expect better from a professional journalist?
It can just as easily be used to give a totally opposing view I.e...... Our parents generation sacrificed 6 years of their lives, facing real danger & a genuine shortage of basic food & toilet rolls. All the scientists and leaders are asking is we suffer the inconvenience of staying at home for 3 months. Not exactly much of a sacrifice in comparison.... Etc. Etc. Was WW2 really fought so future generations had the freedom to ignore scientific advice and put the lives of thousands in danger. I'm going to really miss football, horse racing & going to a restaurant, but hardly the end of the world. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Ge talks a load of drivel but always makes you laugh,that's about it lives in a bit of a fantasy world.
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Nobody knows how this will play out in the long run, no doubt everyone will be monitoring China now it's coming out of lockdown to see it the virus escalates again and if people can become reinfected.
Just take sensible precautions and be careful that's all we can do. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Whatever mex says believe the opposite-fact.
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Lol Terry you don't make any sense...
So according to you "I won't miss football & that is the end of the world " Still no links to your "quote" evil Terry. Were they lies? Stop trolling Terry & don't try to harm others. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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'But at least one expert, John Ioannidis, is not so sure. He is Professor of Medicine, of epidemiology and population health, of biomedical data science, and of statistics at Stanford University in California.
This is a bloke to be ignored? Is he a contrarian? A nut job? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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In other words, we will may well have wrecked our economies and yet still end up with the virus doing its worse.
And that's very likely to happen. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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There’s an advert on telly at the moment about compromises. The one were two brothers end up with tattoos.
Any situation, let alone a worldwide one, results in compromise. It’s an effing mess whichever way you look at it. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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So you think letting everyone carry on as normal spreading the virus to all and sundry and overwhelming our Hospitals/morgues and crematoriums, killing off an awful lot of older people is a better alternative.
Found an interesting film where an investigator posed as a high ranking govt official phoning a woman in charge of the funerals/cremations in a part of china asking for the number of new bodies arriving each day, she was reorting figures many times what the official death rate figures were and said they could not cope, she herself was in bits and said she was going to throw herself off a bridge as she couldn't stand it anymore! Sounded as if only 6% of figures being released by China. Yes the financial economy may collapse and businesses will go under, but it will recover in time, dead people don't recover which would you prefer. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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which would you prefer
What, between lots of deaths, or lots of deaths and a wrecked economy? Is that the choice? We know China have clamped down hard, yet you say they're covering up the real figures, therefore clamping down hasn't worked there. So what makes you so sure that clamping down would work here? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Crippen, for someone who yesterday informed the forum that you have contacted COVID-19, you appear to have made a quick recovery, up to all of your old tricks.
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Most people recover.......quickly
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Thanks for your well wishes Angoose, but I'm not quite out of the woods yet.
Still coughing, but the fatigue has gone. Which is about right, because looking on the NHS site it appears to be a pretty unspectacular illness in a healthy person. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Looks like PH has read the forum. Most of his stats and links have appeared here.
He’s right to question the doomsday scenario when forecasters have been wildly inaccurate in the past. Let’s not forget Anthropogenic Climate Change is due to wipe millions off the face if the Earth quite soon. Let’s see how that works out.... We hope these and other predictions are wrong.. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Have you been Tested Dr Crippen? Hope you get well regardless, just wondering in case it's just the cold / other virus, could lay you open ,make you take your guard down.
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There has to be a middle way between doing nothing and hysterical overreaction, I fear we've heading a bit too far to the latter.
Although end of the day if in 2 weeks time there are scenes here like Italy and in 4 weeks time worse, the government will be firmly on the receiving end of ferocious abuse and I'm sure they are aware of it. People might want to think about the responsibility they bare. Just look at the internet and this forum, some people are screaming for a lockdown and saying Boris etc are incompetent for not doing it already. Locking down transport in and out of London and so on. Other saying it's all overreaction. They can't please everybody, that much is obvious, there are always going to be a large fraction saying he's done it wrong and they know better, especially the prejudiced chippy haters who will find fault in ANYTHING he does as he's posh tory who went Eton... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Italy we hope is the exception. 100k Chinese in northern Italy. Many direct flights to Wuhan.
Older population, often excess winter deaths, extended families, more smokers etc. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Doesn't look so exceptional when you compare the rate of progress with other European countries .....
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Be amazed if it doesn't come up again in china..
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Angoose 22 Mar 20 14:09
Crippen, for someone who yesterday informed the forum that you have contacted COVID-19, you appear to have made a quick recovery, up to all of your old tricks. Good to see that you have recovered He never had it,i've been iller than him for several weeks and still am.. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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From the government perspective, it's actually pretty much a no brainer: They have to err on the side of an caution that may be overreaction.
If things go bad and there are solid grounds to say they've not done enough, it's bad for public health reasons (people died and arguably they have some responsiblty for this due to inaction) and political reasons (they'll be shredded for it). All the other European countries have went into panic mode, which will just feed into allegations of "we should have" if things go wrong. Already the press have been trying that angle. I think as this is dominating the 24 hour news cycle and attention so much they forget how quickly it's moved from a bit "meh" to "ahh I'm sh1tting my pants", it feels like weeks but it's only Monday things turned, and everyone is now an expert. It's a no brainer they have to make firm steps, that's just the objective reality from pretty much every angle. just think it through, it's the only real option available, for 2 primary reasons listed above. People may not like it but reality is reality. IT'll be the same for many governments which is why they are all going that way. It doesn't mean they are closet fascists who want to p1ss on our liberties. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Dr Crippen • March 22, 2020 2:15 PM GMT
Which is about right, because looking on the NHS site it appears to be a pretty unspectacular illness in a healthy person. If there's a marked increase in Alzheimers in the next few years does that mean everybody else has to go on lockdown ? This is crazy . Some are more vulnerable than others so surely these are the people that need to self-isolate , not every other fkr that ain't at risk ! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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At risk of spreading the virus or at risk of dying from it?
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Henry Ford is often misquoted with the following : "If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses."
Steve Jobs was accurately quoted when he said "It's really hard to design products by focus groups. A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them." And so it is with the necessary response to COVID-19. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Sorry Angoose but I cannot see the relevance
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Wouldn't expect that you would
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But the great news is,ive just come back from a walk and thinking as there are no planes or very few we might be spared Chemtrails and the toxic sh1t sprayed on us,but no its business as usual.
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