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As of 15th March 2020. Source CNN health
Let's see how effective the UK are.
Reported cases and deaths
The figures below are based on data from the World Health Organization. These numbers are updated daily but may differ from other sources due to differences in reporting times. For up-to-the-minute updates, follow our live coverage.
Cases Deaths
Mainland China 80,844 3,199
Italy 21,157 1,441
Iran 12,729 608
South Korea 8,086 72
Spain 5,753 136
France 4,469 91
Germany 3,795 8
United States 1,678 41
Switzerland 1,359 10
United Kingdom 1,144 21
Netherlands 959 12
Sweden 924
Norway 907 1
Denmark 827
Japan 780 22
Belgium 689
Austria 655 1
Qatar 337
Greece 227 1
Singapore 212
Bahrain 211
Australia 197 3
Malaysia 197
Canada 176 1
Czech Republic 150
Hong Kong 141 4
Slovenia 141
Ireland 128 1
Brazil 121
Portugal 112
Romania 112
Finland 109
Kuwait 104
Saudi Arabia 103
Israel 100
Egypt 93 2
Iraq 93 9
Lebanon 93 4
UAE 85
India 84 2
Let's see how effective the UK are.
Reported cases and deaths
The figures below are based on data from the World Health Organization. These numbers are updated daily but may differ from other sources due to differences in reporting times. For up-to-the-minute updates, follow our live coverage.
Cases Deaths
Mainland China 80,844 3,199
Italy 21,157 1,441
Iran 12,729 608
South Korea 8,086 72
Spain 5,753 136
France 4,469 91
Germany 3,795 8
United States 1,678 41
Switzerland 1,359 10
United Kingdom 1,144 21
Netherlands 959 12
Sweden 924
Norway 907 1
Denmark 827
Japan 780 22
Belgium 689
Austria 655 1
Qatar 337
Greece 227 1
Singapore 212
Bahrain 211
Australia 197 3
Malaysia 197
Canada 176 1
Czech Republic 150
Hong Kong 141 4
Slovenia 141
Ireland 128 1
Brazil 121
Portugal 112
Romania 112
Finland 109
Kuwait 104
Saudi Arabia 103
Israel 100
Egypt 93 2
Iraq 93 9
Lebanon 93 4
UAE 85
India 84 2
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they are still at it with the knives and deaths from stabbings - wonder what the overall deaths will be in east landan
Angoose 24 Mar 20 19:36
Big jump today in the German recovered figure, moved by 2,790 to 3,243 in one fell swoop.
Pulled their death rate from 21% to 4.6%.
UK death rate is 76%
Cases cropping up everywhere in the midlands,not even reported
one by my mum and dad a week agonot a peep about it,tests will be midlands places like Birmingham etc if they go big there then it will be the same in the north and big numbers will see over the next week..
Big jump today in the German recovered figure, moved by 2,790 to 3,243 in one fell swoop.
Pulled their death rate from 21% to 4.6%.
UK death rate is 76%
Cases cropping up everywhere in the midlands,not even reported
one by my mum and dad a week agonot a peep about it,tests will be midlands places like Birmingham etc if they go big there then it will be the same in the north and big numbers will see over the next week..
Angoose
Big jump today in the German recovered figure, moved by 2,790 to 3,243 in one fell swoop.
Pulled their death rate from 21% to 4.6%.
UK death rate is 76%
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UK death rate is 76%
Where on earth have you got that figure from ?
Based on What?
Big jump today in the German recovered figure, moved by 2,790 to 3,243 in one fell swoop.
Pulled their death rate from 21% to 4.6%.
UK death rate is 76%
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UK death rate is 76%
Where on earth have you got that figure from ?
Based on What?
Very simple, you just take the completed cases.
422 deaths + 135 recovered = 557 completed cases
422 / 557 = 75.8%
422 deaths + 135 recovered = 557 completed cases
422 / 557 = 75.8%
These are figures issued by the government, I didn't make them up.
If you don't test, you will not know who has had it and recovered.
you lot are like vultures - a herd mentality counting numbers
you are sick in the head
you are sick in the head
A complete exercise in futility , every country is testing differently and reporting deaths differently and obfuscating for political/other reasons
World wide closed cases and deaths are increasing everyday now 15% was 12% yesterday..
Here are the big five European countries recorded cases and recorded deaths at 5 day gaps.
Note the logarithmic scale.
Note the logarithmic scale.
Completely meaningless comparisons unless every country does the same amount of testing and has the same criteria for logging cases as recovered or not.
To be clear, I was talking about the 'recovered cases' discussion from the previous page.
Comparing death rates is more meaningful no doubt.
Comparing death rates is more meaningful no doubt.
Angoose is using relative figures in order to lead everybody up the garden path.
It's an old trick, but shows how easy it can be done.
It's an old trick, but shows how easy it can be done.
I am at least ensuring that they remain at 2 metre intervals whilst they make their way along the path.
Progression of reported cases and deaths split between China and the rest of the world.
They are now reporting more deaths than China, 3,434 versus 3,281.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/oureconomy/complex-modelling-fuelled-financial-crisis-now-it-has-delayed-action-covid-19/
That's the best article I've read on the UK's response
That's the best article I've read on the UK's response
totally irrelevent panic driven by you lot counting numbers from other countries
this is the uk not italy go on whip it up like some sort of number race
you are truly weird
this is the uk not italy go on whip it up like some sort of number race
you are truly weird
mois this is a global issue. Figures indicate where we are going and how long it's likely to take, nationally and internationally. No one is going to panic on the BF forum reading this.
what will all you panic merchants and number counters enthralled by this do when the numbers stabilize then start to go down
It doesn't create panic and it isn't enthralling. Everyone will be happier and more hopeful if the numbers go down.
most panicked and the rest have gleefully reported numbers from all over
like cricket match - working one another up
what happens when the numbers stabalize and then decline
lots of range rovers queuing outside of food banks whilst embarrassed hoarders hand over bags of tinned meat etc
like cricket match - working one another up
what happens when the numbers stabalize and then decline
lots of range rovers queuing outside of food banks whilst embarrassed hoarders hand over bags of tinned meat etc
28 is 28 too many in an ideal world but a bit more promise in the bigger picture. Hopefully it's not too much of an outlier.
US rapidly catching Italy for confirmed cases, of course they have a much larger population.
100% drop in deaths for uk today,don;t think any country has had a figure like that when deaths have been supposed to be rising on a constant,perhaps this will be our maximum rise over following months..
Would be nice to think so, but I'd imagine that you shouldn't draw too many conclusions from a single day.
Still more cases coming in than going out, active cases moved from 3,741 on 20 March to 8,929 today.
Still more cases coming in than going out, active cases moved from 3,741 on 20 March to 8,929 today.
thegig looking at Belgium it went 30/8/13/34/56.
I'd take the last 2 days together rather than one in isolation.
I'd take the last 2 days together rather than one in isolation.
Supposedly our government can only add a fatality to the figures if the next of kin gives permission.
Why should that be when they are not being named anyway
Why should that be when they are not being named anyway
We were on same trajectory as Italy so many on twitter with these
Dom Mcloughlin
I know a doc in the NHS. Believe me this government is lying as to the severity of the virus. Young people are dying. Lack of Personal Protection Equitment for NHS staff, virtually no testing, even of people dying of the virus. False figures spouted. Pure lies by Boris Johnson
Replying to
@Dominic
and
Yep. My best friend is a nurse. Spoke to her earlier. They know how many are dead/infected in her hospital but have been sworn to secrecy - threatened with sack!! She doesn't need to tell me the numbers. She cried as she's terrified. I know it must be bad.
Unbelievable not testing the deaths and recording as pneumonia..
Dom Mcloughlin
I know a doc in the NHS. Believe me this government is lying as to the severity of the virus. Young people are dying. Lack of Personal Protection Equitment for NHS staff, virtually no testing, even of people dying of the virus. False figures spouted. Pure lies by Boris Johnson
Replying to
@Dominic
and
Yep. My best friend is a nurse. Spoke to her earlier. They know how many are dead/infected in her hospital but have been sworn to secrecy - threatened with sack!! She doesn't need to tell me the numbers. She cried as she's terrified. I know it must be bad.
Unbelievable not testing the deaths and recording as pneumonia..
Seems the UK changed the mythodogly of how death rates are now
caculaated
Further comment from the govt is o/standing
caculaated
Further comment from the govt is o/standing
11,658 infected and 578 dead the latest uk figures
https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1243237209039396872/photo/1
https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1243237209039396872/photo/1
So will we now get to see consistent recording from this 're-aligned' figure? 
100 A day has been reached 
What will the fgure be next thursday
What will the fgure be next thursday
They changed the dates from
9.00 am to
5.00 pm
So over an extra half a day
9.00 am to
5.00 pm
So over an extra half a day
Department of Health and Social Care
@DHSCgovuk
To ensure data can be verified and published in a timely, consistent way, we are moving to a new system for publication of deaths.
The latest figures counted from the previous day (for a period from 5pm-5pm) will be published at 2pm the following day.
Yesterday’s figures did not cover a full 24 hour period while we adjust to the new system. These figures comprised the period from 9am 24 March to 5pm on 24 March.
Figures issued today are recorded as of 5pm 24 March to 5pm 25 March.
Going forwards, figures on deaths will be recorded for the 24 hour period as of 5pm the previous day.
Figures on tests remain as of the 24 hour period from 9am that day.
@DHSCgovuk
To ensure data can be verified and published in a timely, consistent way, we are moving to a new system for publication of deaths.
The latest figures counted from the previous day (for a period from 5pm-5pm) will be published at 2pm the following day.
Yesterday’s figures did not cover a full 24 hour period while we adjust to the new system. These figures comprised the period from 9am 24 March to 5pm on 24 March.
Figures issued today are recorded as of 5pm 24 March to 5pm 25 March.
Going forwards, figures on deaths will be recorded for the 24 hour period as of 5pm the previous day.
Figures on tests remain as of the 24 hour period from 9am that day.
So, yesterday's reported deaths covered 8 hours.
Today's figures covered 24 hours.
Today's figures covered 24 hours.
Take this guy who is supposedly an ex director of the WHO.
He claims Ireland are testing 100k per week which is garbage
as of last night 18k have been tested in total.
He couldn't even get the population figures correct
The figures for this crisis seem all over the place
https://twitter.com/globalhlthtwit/status/1243214113444114432
He claims Ireland are testing 100k per week which is garbage
as of last night 18k have been tested in total.
He couldn't even get the population figures correct
The figures for this crisis seem all over the place
https://twitter.com/globalhlthtwit/status/1243214113444114432
It took 7 days for the Italy to go from 10 deaths a day to 100.
It took 11/12 for the UK
encouraging I think
It took 11/12 for the UK
encouraging I think
It would have been helpful to have had the detail about the timing changes yesterday.
I suspect that Cummings derived much pleasure from the media working themselves up in to a lather about it.
I suspect Cummings couldn't give an @rse about that,surely got more to do than that goosy
'encouraging I think'
Would certainly be encouraging if it keeps up. Though the experts mostly think it's only a matter of time before we start vaulting up, and doubling every three to four days. I suspect they'll be right in the end, sadly, even if I'm also hoping that we did get infected earlier than many of the other European countries, and that we're now much closer to the end than we're thinking...
You'd think the lockdowns ought to start having an effect towards the end of next week, so if we can hold out until then without the figures becoming too eye-watering, we might be okay for a bit.
Still absolutely no sense of a sensible plan from the government, though. They're still dribbling on about testing frontline workers and the sick, rather than getting into the greater community and trying to stop the infections before they can spread.
Would certainly be encouraging if it keeps up. Though the experts mostly think it's only a matter of time before we start vaulting up, and doubling every three to four days. I suspect they'll be right in the end, sadly, even if I'm also hoping that we did get infected earlier than many of the other European countries, and that we're now much closer to the end than we're thinking...
You'd think the lockdowns ought to start having an effect towards the end of next week, so if we can hold out until then without the figures becoming too eye-watering, we might be okay for a bit.
Still absolutely no sense of a sensible plan from the government, though. They're still dribbling on about testing frontline workers and the sick, rather than getting into the greater community and trying to stop the infections before they can spread.
We need to remember that with everyday that we see these deaths, it is also another day past where lots more are coming out the other side and becoming immune without even knowing it and in so doing squeezing the space where the virus can go next, as much damage as it does day on day, it's also true that the walls are closing in on it with everyday that passes.
you are probably all out breaking all the rules whilst whingeing about them
quite sickening
quite sickening
Taken from the Guardian re: UK figures.
An NHS England source said the likely cause of people missing from the statistics is that the daily figures only include those who tested positive in hospital.
The UK is only testing people for coronavirus in hospital, so people dying at home or in care homes with symptoms of the disease will be missing from the overall figures.
The number of omissions are likely to be low at the moment but could increase as the pandemic worsens in the coming weeks.
An NHS England source said the likely cause of people missing from the statistics is that the daily figures only include those who tested positive in hospital.
The UK is only testing people for coronavirus in hospital, so people dying at home or in care homes with symptoms of the disease will be missing from the overall figures.
The number of omissions are likely to be low at the moment but could increase as the pandemic worsens in the coming weeks.
Does make you think the government's deliberately keeping the numbers low. Rather like the actual amount of testing we're doing - the government claims it's taking this seriously, but Germany is trying to do more than five times as much testing in one week than we've done in total. There's no reason why we couldn't have had huge numbers of testing gear. Even little Iceland has tested in large numbers!
It does rather make you think that we're dragging our feet on purpose. On the positive side, if we're deliberately keeping the figures down, it could be that we're further through the cycle than we believe...
It does rather make you think that we're dragging our feet on purpose. On the positive side, if we're deliberately keeping the figures down, it could be that we're further through the cycle than we believe...
At 16 there could be underlying that hasn't been detected yet.
United Kingdom 1,144 21 15/03
will probably be 200 tonight ,at that rate we are looking at 1000s in a couple of weeks
Can only hope Isolation works
will probably be 200 tonight ,at that rate we are looking at 1000s in a couple of weeks
Can only hope Isolation works
Could also be that she was simply unlucky. Even if most people dying are old and/or have underlying conditions, there'll always be a few who succumb for no apparent reason. (And you can be sure that the press will find them and publicise the fact!)
Mar 27, 2020 -- 12:59PM, HonkyJoe wrote:
Could also be that she was simply unlucky. Even if most people dying are old and/or have underlying conditions, there'll always be a few who succumb for no apparent reason.
Fabrice Muamba didn't know he had a condition until he collapsed during a game and he would have undergone medicals.
181 deaths and 2921 cases today here,going through the roof is this the total for the day?
That's it for today, the new reporting regime is up and running, a 2pm release for a 24 hour period.
www.spectator.co.uk/article/The-evidence-on-Covid-19-is-not-as-clear-as-we-think
worth a read to interpret the fatality rates and how they are recorded.
worth a read to interpret the fatality rates and how they are recorded.
Thankyou treetop. An excellent, reasoned piece of writing. The Professor brought everything into perspective.
yeah that was a good article by The Spectator. Hopefully we'll get the testing sorted out ASAP. Everyone should be tested to see if they've already had it.
Fingers crossed Africa doesnt get the same as Europe.
Plus if thats the case, will they end up sending us Aid?
Plus if thats the case, will they end up sending us Aid?
Turns out the French death figures only count those who died in hospital.
Speculation the numbers dying in nursing homes there is immense, and maybe not far off the hospital deaths.
Speculation the numbers dying in nursing homes there is immense, and maybe not far off the hospital deaths.
We're doing the same thing. Not sure we've got the numbers ripping through the nursing homes yet, but we probably will have soon.
Would clearly be better if the figures were correctly attributed, but they'll show up in the overall death figures which can be compared to prior years.
Would be useful. But isn't the case that the overall death rate is not revealed until the following year, rather than monthly ?
The French say care home deaths will be added next year.
The French say care home deaths will be added next year.
No idea about France, but weekly figures are available for at least England and Wales.
Last update was for week ending, next update scheduled for 31 March.
Last update was for week ending, next update scheduled for 31 March.
The stats might have been better in 1666.
London had the 'Bills of Mortality', a weekly published list of who had died and of what cause.
London had the 'Bills of Mortality', a weekly published list of who had died and of what cause.
Mar 28, 2020 -- 12:07AM, HonkyJoe wrote:
We're doing the same thing. Not sure we've got the numbers ripping through the nursing homes yet, but we probably will have soon.
While not entirely incorrect, isn't that because we're only counting those who test positive for coronavirus, and we're simply not testing enough and now only in hospitals.
Bills of Mortality
Saw one of these a while ago. Some interesting causes of death.
Saw one of these a while ago. Some interesting causes of death.
"On hearing ill rumour that Londoners may soon be urged into their lodgings by her majesty's men, I looked upon the street to see a gaggle of striplings making fair merry, and no doubt spreading the plague well about. Not a care had these rogues for the health of their elders!" Samuel Pepys Diaries - London 1664
While not entirely incorrect, isn't that because we're only counting those who test positive for coronavirus, and we're simply not testing enough and now only in hospitals.
I suppose that depends how you interpret it. In my opinion they're actively choosing to be selective with the numbers, and have set rather limited guidelines that allow them to exclude quite a few potential deaths.
I think that and our lack of test kits are largely down to us having originally followed our famous herd immunity policy. Even according to our original flawed model we knew there would be lots of deaths, and deliberately created guidelines that would see us publishing as few stats as possible. All of that is simply my own opinion, of course.
I suppose that depends how you interpret it. In my opinion they're actively choosing to be selective with the numbers, and have set rather limited guidelines that allow them to exclude quite a few potential deaths.
I think that and our lack of test kits are largely down to us having originally followed our famous herd immunity policy. Even according to our original flawed model we knew there would be lots of deaths, and deliberately created guidelines that would see us publishing as few stats as possible. All of that is simply my own opinion, of course.
2546 new cases 260 deaths going through the roof,need total lockdown.
Well the lockdown only started on Tuesday. It won't start to have any real effect on the numbers for around two weeks yet.
Maybe the high death rate with China, Italy and Spain compared to the likes of Germany, Switzerland and Austria could be down to the fact that most of those countries have heavy smokers...
Last time I went to spain they all smoked like chimneys down there..
If there is a link...I could see smoking being banned within 5 years after all this has blown over.
Last time I went to spain they all smoked like chimneys down there..
If there is a link...I could see smoking being banned within 5 years after all this has blown over.
Well the lockdown only started on Tuesday. It won't start to have any real effect on the numbers for around two weeks yet.
Exactly. The complacency we showed as a country, will almost certainly turn out to be fatal for thousands. Whether the reported death tolls were correct or not, China locked down early, and put measures in place to control geographical spreads.
We knew what was coming. A virus with a mortal nature and a recent demonstrable history of exponential growth. We should have shut up shop immediately.
To think that people were buying into herd immunity?!! And touting it as a reason to keep the schools open? This is the concept that we let everyone just get it, because after a while, it will have no one left to infect - and then die out. But not before condemning our parents and grandparents to an early grave and completely over-running the health care system.
Exactly. The complacency we showed as a country, will almost certainly turn out to be fatal for thousands. Whether the reported death tolls were correct or not, China locked down early, and put measures in place to control geographical spreads.
We knew what was coming. A virus with a mortal nature and a recent demonstrable history of exponential growth. We should have shut up shop immediately.
To think that people were buying into herd immunity?!! And touting it as a reason to keep the schools open? This is the concept that we let everyone just get it, because after a while, it will have no one left to infect - and then die out. But not before condemning our parents and grandparents to an early grave and completely over-running the health care system.
Bettor Bettor - yes ,each country's standard of living will have some co-relation .
Germany ,Switzerland on a higher level as is Iceland ,which is low too
UK probably in the middle ..USA will vary a lot by state
Germany ,Switzerland on a higher level as is Iceland ,which is low too
UK probably in the middle ..USA will vary a lot by state
Mar 29, 2020 -- 6:09PM, TheBetterBettor wrote:
Maybe the high death rate with China, Italy and Spain compared to the likes of Germany, Switzerland and Austria could be down to the fact that most of those countries have heavy smokers...Last time I went to spain they all smoked like chimneys down there..If there is a link...I could see smoking being banned within 5 years after all this has blown over.
The study in Wuhan found that 4% of the dead smoked.
17% of men in uk smoke,can't believe it's so high and we have bad diabetes and heart problems,statisticaly we should be worse off,if it ever got to the north we would have desperate figures drinking ,smoking,diabetes.
smoking does play a part ...Po valley in Italy also heavily polluted /poor air quality too ... some of the unfortunate cases maybe worked in heavy industry ?
China also heavily polluted ...not sure about Wuhan itself .
Imagine Middlesbrough if you like for us
China also heavily polluted ...not sure about Wuhan itself .
Imagine Middlesbrough if you like for us
Australia's death rate is extremely low ...what's going on there ? ...they have a similar lockdown procedure to us dates etc ... although they did the quarantine measures /ban flights etc.
NZ in lockdown after only one death. Way to go
In fact NZs first victim might be the first victim in my town here in the UK .... moved over here to live
NZ in lockdown after only one death. Way to go
In fact NZs first victim might be the first victim in my town here in the UK .... moved over here to live
Why are some neighbouring suburbs having roughly the same population could have 50% more tested positive eg Sutton and Merton?
we have to remember the burgeoning growth in population - so many millions and millions more british people
you know we have over 1.1 million illegals but they don't really know the real number
you know we have over 1.1 million illegals but they don't really know the real number
Mar 30, 2020 -- 2:51AM, tobermory wrote:
Mar 29, 2020 -- 5:09PM, TheBetterBettor wrote:Maybe the high death rate with China, Italy and Spain compared to the likes of Germany, Switzerland and Austria could be down to the fact that most of those countries have heavy smokers...Last time I went to spain they all smoked like chimneys down there..If there is a link...I could see smoking being banned within 5 years after all this has blown over.The study in Wuhan found that 4% of the dead smoked.
Yet apparently more than half of the Chinese male population smoke. Well according to a WHO study. So those two figures don't show any correlation (negative if anything).
Italy is down to travel to China and back around Chinese New Year on Jan 24 by a lot of its large Chinese immigrant population, its 23% population over 65 and primarily the fact that 60% of deaths and 40% of cases are confined to one province, Lombardy, with 1/6th of the population (11m), resulting in massive and prolonged overwhelming of the hospitals there. Also hugging and kissing to greet people. Smoking would be a relatively minor factor.
Yep some great news today again,800 in Italy and 900 in France..
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