Virus conspiracy thread.

here is morbidity by age

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

a bit better website than tommy robinson imo

Well June Andrews was speaking at a Scottish select committee. Sadly the bbc didn’t cover her shocking statement....

a bit better website than tommy robinson imo

What's TR got to do with anything here?

The Andrews link was on his site.

Plato, Aldous Huxley, David Attenborugh et al, all reckoned there's too many useless eaters using up the world's resources.

Google 'Georgia Guidestones' for the ideal world populous for maniacs.

there wont be any free beds, the next lot of patients will be in them. over 65s arent even considered for saving in the worst parts of italy. no health system can cope with the scale of this thing, that's why draconian measures should have been introduced to stop it gaining a foothold in the first place.

we have to hope what leif says about a peak in 6 or so weeks is what happens.

tommy went for the sensationalist angle.

there are many scientists and mathematicians modelling this around the world, plenty to read if you so desire.

how many elderly die of cold  per year     not a cold but   just getting cold and dying?

got it   17,000

complacency and incompetence rather than conspiracy in play here imo, all around the western world. some countries in the far east have taken a far more studious approach - singapore, hong kong and taiwan who are right in the firing line but have a far more aggressive approach. the view is these countries have deep scars from sars and dont want to get caught out so have acted accordingly.

south korea had a bad outbreak due to religious nutters and have undertaken massive amounts of testing. testing, isolation and contact tracing are what you should do apparently. even so after seeming to be in control they have just had a major cluster appear at a call centre so are still deep in the doo doo.

Makes you wonder what the youngsters make of it all.

Seeing the longevity rate drop yet expected to invest in their retirement.

Greta Thunberg et al putting the fear of some god or another into them.

They'll be adopting a tenet they're here for a good time and not a long time much like the hedonistic, heady days of the sixties.

For those who 'listen' I advise them to invest in physical gold (not paper).

Most of the next middle agers will be drones, maybe micro-chipped into the 'hive'.

Scary

The Andrews link was on his site.

Phew just watched it.  That was a pretty sensational thing she said on camera.

''In the care home with 92 delayed discharges, a pandemic would be quite useful because these people would be taken out the system.''

Tailor made for a conspiracy thread.

you want terry and co on here.

what has icke had to say?

I recall a Python sketch on this with John cleese and the new housing block etc   moving escalators and revolving knives etc??

Andrews was being a little too honest.

Eugenics is nothing new whether it’s abortion, infanticide or euthanasia. Hospitals and care homes can barely cope with keeping the elderly alive.

Yes Injera, I mentioned it here myself at 12:58

One victim was a woman in her 70s with underlying health problems from Dudley, West Midlands. The second was an 'elderly patient' with a number of chronic conditions at the George Eliot Hospital in Warwickshire.   

- the latest deaths.

for me   I think we should be concentrating on the game   - pool  1 up   where do we go

All quite on the Russian front.

Although what's this:

''Several Russian scientists believe America created the Wuhan coronavirus to sabotage China while making boatloads of money off a cure.''

https://www.ccn.com/many-russians-think-america-created-the-wuhan-coronavirus/

''As the new coronavirus that has killed more than 4,000 people continues to spread around the world, Russia has stepped up measures to tackle the pandemic, including closing most entry points along its 4,200-kilometer border with China, ordering people returning from high-risk areas to self-quarantine and temporarily banning Chinese citizens from entering the country.

There have been 28 cases of coronavirus infections reported in Russia so far.''

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/03/11/coronavirus-in-russia-the-latest-news-march-11-a69117

Moscow Times:

As the new coronavirus that has killed more than 4,000 people continues to spread around the world, Russia has stepped up measures to tackle the pandemic, including closing most entry points along its 4,200-kilometer border with China, ordering people returning from high-risk areas to self-quarantine and temporarily banning Chinese citizens from entering the country.

There have been 28 cases of coronavirus infections reported in Russia so far.

-Putin doesn’t mess about.

It seems that Russia with very few reported cases, is doing a lot more to try and contain the virus than we're are in Britain.

March 8

—Moscow city authorities threatened prison terms of up to five years for people failing to self-isolate in their homes for two weeks after visiting countries hit hard by the coronavirus outbreak.

Same link - themoscowtimes.

The SARS virus – which between 2002 and 2004 infected 8,098 people and killed 774 – had infact ‘escaped’ multiple times from a lab in Beijing prior to Wuhan’s lab opening, according to the Nature article. China installed the first of a planned five to seven biolabs designed for maximum safety in Wuhan in 2017, for the purpose of studying the most high-risk pathogens, like SARS.

The lab, housed at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, was built in 2015 and ready to open in 2017. It was the first ever lab in the country designed to meet biosafetey-level-4 (BSL-4) standards – the highest biohazard level, meaning that it would be qualified to handle the most dangerous pathogens. BSL-4 labs have to be equipped with airtight hazmat suits or special ‘cabinet’ work spaces that confine viruses and bacteria that can be transmitted through the air to sealed boxes that scientists reach into using attached high-grade gloves.

There are about 54 BSL-4 labs worldwide. China’s first, in Wuhan, received federal accreditation in January 2017.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/24/us-warned-virus-escape-lab-near-coronavirus-epicentre-12114591/

Close the boarders.

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https://summit.news/2020/03/11/the-truth-about-coronavirus/

i am not sure ,but i don't think the UK are doing anal swab tests for corona virus,and it shows up many times in people who are infected,but some people pass the normal CV test and walk away thinking they are all clear.This is a very important test and should be used ,otherwise the virus will spread much quicker in certain countries in a few weeks time.

Trump declaring a national disaster?

Don't watch the speech

He's shut the door.

No flights allowed into USA from Europe (UK exempt - still allowed) - along with same restrictions on other countries like South Korea.

When and if the dust settles
Surly the world going to **** on China from a great height !

Some doctor on LBC says going on the death rate in the UK and how death comes typically 15 days after getting it, with the time lag we must have around 7,000 infected people at the moment.
He said now it's a case of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.

Like I said earlier, when you phone them up they'll tell you to self-isolate and you are not recorded as a confirmed case.

The Russians clamped down in January and they've had very few cases and no deaths.
Which is an example of how it should be done.

More evidence for the conspiracy theorists.

In the UK and Europe they've waited until it's too late before taking any serious measures. So it'll be out of control in the UK soon as well, for how can we avoid it now?

Why have they appeared to be letting it happen - incompetence? I don't think so.

Maybe the best way of beating it is building up an immunity to it, or at least trying to. Yes, the weak will not survive this, but if I'm reading correctly, most are getting no more than mild symptoms and if the body's natural defences can fight it then it could be one reason they are acting accordingly. To be fair I have no clue and just batting this out there.

^^^  some people are saying that is the government approach, something they call herd immunity develops once so many people have had it. encouraging social distancing so as to smooth the number of infections out and hopefully a peak in infections in a month or so. allegedly the government thinks a draconian lock down as in china wouldnt work here.

I expect it to run its course now. It's going to get really bad for older people.
I wonder if the weather warming up might help matters?
They must be banking on a vaccine coming along.

On the news just out.
All movement around Italy is being restricted, and only supermarkets and pharmacies being allowed to open.

If ever you needed a confirmation that all was not as it is being portrayed you get a heads up that " RUN FOREST RUN " is a high profile carrier. At least no one will catch him but he may just catch you so be on your toes.

their just holding back as long as they can before having to admit the NHS cant cope
mp,s refusing to take test for the simple reason if they fail it they,ll have to self isolate and think the world cant manage without them
sunak,doris,gove ete spent months trying to close commons and now risking lives to keep it open you couldn't make this shoite up

If the test for coronavirus is unreliable as stated in JWH's first post, then how do we know whether this is coronavirus or ordinary flu?

It's true that many people have been tested positive for corona without displaying symptoms.
So I wonder how many with symptoms have been tested negative for corona?

false negatives is a problem i have read about

Dr Crippen • March 12, 2020 1:05 PM GMT
If the test for coronavirus is unreliable as stated in JWH's first post, then how do we know whether this is coronavirus or ordinary flu?

It is almost certainly 'ordinary' flu in a vast majority of cases but if it ramps up the fear factor then let it be put down to the Black Death , for what it's worth

Coronaviruses are not new. ‘19’ is of course worse than others. Here’s a link to the testing procedure.


https://medlineplus.gov/lab-tests/coronavirus-testing/

‘Coronavirus infections in people are common throughout the world. They don't usually cause serious illness.’

Doctor on the TV said to check your lungs by seeing if you can hold your breath for ten seconds.

Someone I know who's turned eighty, can swim a length of the baths without taking a breath.

I think he'll be alright if he catches it.

will someone ask matt chapmen to hold his breath for 25 mins,

Got this from ITV article dated 6/02/2020, if those figures are correct, I didn't notice any panic in previous years regarding a spreading virus. I reckon viruses like this have always spread they just haven't been identified and tracked this one...........................................

Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.

Public Health England told ITV News: "The number of flu cases and deaths due to flu-related complications varies each flu season.

"The average number of deaths in England for the last five seasons, 2014/15 to 2018/19, was 17,000 deaths annually.

"This ranged from 1,692 deaths last season, 2018/19, to 28,330 deaths in 2014/15."

Since October, more than 4,000 people with confirmed flu have been admitted to hospitals in England with at least 70 deaths.


https://www.itv.com/news/2020-02-06/how-does-the-wuhan-coronavirus-compare-to-seasonal-flu/

The reporting, use of stats and complete absence of perspective is what gets me. It’s as if no one has ever died before.

Many jobs will be lost, recession inevitable, pension pots decimated.

Read and weep. The stupidity of the world we live in...

There is no doubt in my mind that Jon has this covered.

Coronavirus: a propaganda master advises the President before he addresses the nation

Read all the way through to catch that chunk

by Jon Rappoport

March 11, 2020



What do most people say, if you raise questions about the reality of the “epidemic,” or even hint that the facts might be in doubt?

Two responses high on the list: “but people are dying”; and “the experts wouldn’t lie.”

So, in this episode of virus fakery and apocalypse on rye with mustard, I present a tale I like to call: THE PROPAGANDA MASTER COMES TO TOWN.

This character is a wisdom figure and a teacher. He’s an old pro. He makes sure the lies are being told well and often. He reminds his troops of their mission. Pardon his language, but he has a very low opinion of humanity.

Here he is now, getting out of his limo and walking into a five-star hotel.

Conference room. A security team has checked the space for bugs and other electronic snooping. The shades are drawn. A dozen propaganda ops specialists are sitting at the long table.

The maestro walks into the room, stands at one end of the table, and without formalities, begins talking:

—I only have a few minutes. I’m on my way to Rome to brief the Pope. So here it is. We put messages into the heads of the great unwashed masses, so they’ll pass those messages to others. Get it? THAT’S the real contagion factor. Never forget it. We’re Info Central for the rubes and yokels and idiots, including high IQ idiots who think their college degree means they’re educated in science.

—We work with death. People all over the world are dying all the time, every day. The public doesn’t want to think about that. Good. That’s good for us. Our job is to convince the yokels that the “new” dying which is happening now comes from a special virus. We do that by equating DEATH and CORONAVIRUS. Get it? Never forget it. “People are dying, it must be the virus.” That’s our ticket.

—Our medical brethren in this great con have already done a terrific job carving up death into various categories. But now they can make ordinary pneumonia into coronavirus pneumonia at the drop of a hat. They can make flu into corona. They can make a man falling down stairs a victim of the virus. A flying saucer crashes in a field? If that happened, a CDC official with a straight face could tell the yokels and idiots that the alien pilot of the craft was struck down by the virus and that’s why he lost control of the saucer.

—So we can’t let our medical friends down. We have to ramp up the intensity of the message. I want more predictions from Harvard and Yale big shots. You know, millions are going to die. Half the world’s population is going to be infected.

—Some of the idiots and loons we target are politicians. They “believe in science.” We want these pols to lock down cities. Cut off transportation. Make people feel the sting. The sting and the crisis and the quarantine equal THE VIRUS. We own the virus. It’s our psy-weapon. It’s an idea, a notion, a ghost, a terrorist, a monster, and only the medical experts can control it, if people follow all their orders. Keep pounding that message.

—Now, just between us, did they ever find a brand new virus in China to begin with? Who cares? Are the diagnostic tests for the virus inadequate and useless and worthless and deceiving? Of course. Is the “virus epidemic” a gold-plated fake? Sure. Are all sorts of people being diagnosed with corona who have no disease at all? You bet. Are people who are sick for all sorts of reasons being told they’re corona cases? Yeah. That’s our bread and butter. Some poor bastard gets off a plane and he has a slight fever from the bad air in the cabin and he’s whisked to a military base for quarantine. Play it up. “The virus can get you anytime, anywhere.” In a city, the ICU ward in a hospital is overflowing with sick people? Of course it is. People are sick all the time. But now, with the wave of a magic wand, they’re put in the ICU because they must be corona. Good. I want more pictures of that ICU. I want video on the news. More of it. Get busy. Don’t slack off. This is a circus. There are rules for a circus. The main rule is, people get bored quickly, so you need lots of acts and tricks and animals and side shows and candy to keep the audience occupied. An ICU here, an ICU there. A mother crying. Who cares why? It must be the virus. I don’t want to hear about all the other reasons people are sick. I just want to hear VIRUS.

—Never forget how easily you can fool the yokels. Yesterday, a guy living in an apartment house had the flu. No big deal. But today, same guy? Corona. Nothing changed except the news. All his neighbors in the building forget that yesterday this guy had ordinary flu. It’s a beautiful thing. Use it. I want to see more funerals on the news. Get busy. Show me more sporting events happening in empty stadiums.

—Our holy grail, our perfect ideal, which is unattainable, would be: every death in the world for the next six months or a year is called coronavirus. But we can strive toward that ideal. We must.

—There are two echelons. There is WE. And there is THEY-THEM. WE keep THEM in their limited minds. We bolster those limited minds with our messages. Keep them yammering, “But people are dying, it must be the virus!” It’s pure gold. Keep mining that gold.

Back in his limo, the maestro puts in a call to his contact at the CDC. “Listen up,” he says, “you people over there are starting to wobble. I’m talking about the diagnostic test for the virus. First, your test kits were bad, they didn’t work. Now you don’t have enough of them to satisfy needs. Plus the word is starting to leak out that the tests are inherently unreliable and no one should believe them. This crap must stop now. Shore up your troops. Get them in line. I want healthy people and sick people and old people and young people and all people to be diagnosed with corona, and I don’t want any uncertainties. You and I know the test is a joke, it doesn’t work, but nobody else can find that out. Got it? People over there at the CDC can be replaced. They can find themselves out on the street. What’s in charge of this operation is propaganda, not science. YOU back US up. That’s the hierarchy. I want FEAR raging through the population. If you can’t hold up your end, you’re going to find all the quotes about the epidemic in the press are suddenly coming from the World Health Organization, not the CDC. I’ll make sure you’re shoved into the background. The World Health people are professional. They know how to deliver a unified con job. Those two idiots, the governor of New York and the mayor of New York, are doing more to hype this fake epidemic than all the employees of the CDC put together. Get your house in order. Fast.”

He closes his phone and puts it in his pocket. On the way to the airport, he hums a little tune. He looks out the window. He thinks to himself, if we can stretch this out far enough, we can force a cancelation of the Olympics. Maybe we can even stage a presidential election in America on the Internet. No one votes in a booth. Can’t risk transmission of the virus. He chuckles. His phone vibrates. He takes it out.

“Yes, sir?” he says. He listens. Nods. “Yes, sir, I know you’re going to address the nation on the pandemic in a few minutes. Well, sir, this is a squeeze play. You’re in the middle. I know you understand that. If you go too far in minimizing the risk of the epidemic, you’re going to get hit hard from all sides. Mayors, governors, scientists, doctors, public health officials, members of Congress, big tech, the media—they’re all going to carve you into a grinning pumpkin. To say nothing of what’s been happening to the stock market. If you try minimize the “epidemic,” the whole economic picture is going to go upside down. Even Goldman Sachs won’t be able to protect you. Look around you. That schmuck mayor of New York is making noises about shutting down the whole Subway system. My advice is, let this operation run its course. Read the tea leaves of history. Many presidents have trouble at the end of a term. The coronavirus fakery is your trouble. Ride it out. If you can’t beat Joe Biden in November, you should go back to building golf courses. He’s hanging on by a thread. I don’t think the doctors can pump him up with enough drugs to keep his brain functioning during a debate. You might stagger into office on a low for your second term, but the epidemic op will fade out, the economy will come back, and you’ll—don’t be angry, sir, your enemies have been looking for an Achilles heel since you started campaigning back in 2015. They tried this, they tried that, it didn’t really work. But this medical op works. Are you really going to say the medical experts are all liars and fake news? Are you contemplating that? Take it from me, it won’t fly. You know I’m right. The medical propaganda of the past hundred years is a winner. How can you buck it, especially in the middle of this current **** storm? If I cared about the truth, I’d be in a dither. Fortunately, I’m above the fray. Listen to your wise old uncle. Take the bitter with the sweet. You’re a pro in your field. The art of the deal. In this instance, the deal is live to fight another day. You painted your picture of “the grand economic recovery”, and now they’re spraying all over it with graffiti. That’s what enemies do. I have some interesting material on Biden and Bernie, if you’d like me to—“

The maestro looks at his phone. “He hung up,” he says to his driver.

“He’s a quick study,” the driver says.

They laugh.

“What are you going to say to the Pope?” the driver asks.

“I’m going to tell him to keep his big mouth shut. And if he can’t do that, and he wants to bring God into it, we’ll work on the statement. Change it to Nature. That’s softer. Nature has its ways. It must be respected. God gave us the intelligence to work with Nature, and the means to develop medical science. Doctors are healers. Follow their recommendations. Something like that. On the way over in the plane, I’ll come up with some quotes. Stay by my side. You’re packing heat. They’ll ask for your weapon before they let us in the Vatican. Give it to them. Keep your eyes trained straight ahead. Don’t look past any open doors. Who knows what you’d see? I don’t want anyone to call us as witnesses in a future court case…”

“You’re careful as always,” the driver says.

“Careful in the details, absolutely reckless when it comes to the overall plan. Tell a lie so outrageous, no one can believe it’s a lie.”

At the White House, the president steps to the podium and looks at the camera. He thinks, I wonder what would happen if I went off script and said, you know, there must be ten thousand people in Washington who know there’s something weird about this coronavirus situation. There’s the whole flu thing. The CDC says thirty thousand people in the US die from ordinary flu every single year, like clockwork, and there are millions of flu cases every year—but nobody’s calling THAT an epidemic. The stock market isn’t crashing because of THAT. Nobody’s getting quarantined because of THAT. They aren’t going to play the whole NCAA March Madness tournament in empty arenas because of THAT. What the hell’s going on?

The president starts to speak to the nation.

Tell a lie so outrageous, no one can believe it’s a lie.”

Just love that one. lol

Mar 12, 2020 -- 4:17PM, Injera wrote:

The reporting, use of stats and complete absence of perspective is what gets me. It’s as if no one has ever died before.Many jobs will be lost, recession inevitable, pension pots decimated.

The cancellation of mass gatherings makes no sense to me either. The biggest gathering of people at any one time is the work place. Every morning in the UK 10 of millions of workers ( 100 or so in Liverpool ) are mixing together, packing on to trains, buses and sidewalks all breathing everyone else's air, walking around in air conditioned offices with a potential virus circulating through the building. What difference does it make it 40 odd thousand get together at an event If the Gov want to stop the spread of this or any flue type virus, issue every one with free masks and hand sanitiser, this would be a hell of a lot cheaper, more effective and less catastrophic to the country/world than what is now happening. .......................................................................

The big gatherings thing confuses me too. When you attend an event you only mix with a few. The bigger problem is the travelling to and from on public transport. Yet that is happening every day anyway.
The first thing to be done is cancelling flights from China, then Iran and Italy. This still hasn’t been done!!

I’ve just had a look at my local airport’s arrivals from Italy.....

Between 6pm and midnight there are 13 (thirteen) flights arriving into Gatwick tonight....that includes Venice and Milan.

World deaths from Corona update:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1093256/novel-coronavirus-2019ncov-deaths-worldwide-by-country/

The latest two deaths were an 89-year-old at Charing Cross Hospital in London and a woman in her 60s at Queen's Hospital in Romford, NHS England said. They both had underlying health conditions. - BBC


This is very sad for the families involved but it’s not worthy of news.

their using Italy been 1st top ban Chinese flights as a reason for not doing it,are they really suggesting Italy would be better off if they hadn't banned flights,surely closing schools,gatherings etc etc at worst wont make it worse, to say people will get bored with it is ridiculous once it starts could be 1,2,3,4 month etc who no,s

we canmt close schools because no one to look after kids, does that means if there,s a world war 3,4 etc in future if you have school kids you don't have to fight, ,

shows how the world,s changed when its now a tory government,s problem on who,how to look after your kids, it used to be the parents

Yet to hear anyone join the dots between climate change and the virus.

Greta, Harry, Sir Dave, BBC et al been telling us millions will die due to carbon emissions. The virus is slowing production, massively reducing trade and travel. Carbon emissions dropping every day.

So lives will be saved? Will it be a net gain?

What's that tub of lard upto ffs,people dying needlessly.

Flu deaths much lower this winter due to mild weather. The success or otherwise of the flu jab can also lead to variations in flu deaths numbers.  So far 4000 people have gone to hospital with flu since October. 70 dead. - Public Health England.

2014/15 28000 deaths
Last year 1700.

I didn’t notice panic in 2014..

Let’s hope Coronavirus doesn’t kill 1700 this year. If it does there will be total meltdown. Confusing eh?

First item on the news - the virus.

You'd think people were dying in the streets from Bubonic plague instead of an estimated 10,000 people with the sniffles or worse.
Ten dead.

No one wants a dose of the flu, but there's no need to be running scared.

Johnson has literally come out and told the old they are goners

And not one person bats an eyelid

You have to seriously question this, how is he getting away with that?

"worst health crisis in generations"

And refuses to close schools, stop large gatherings, just wash your hands?

What is going on seriously? what is their goal?

And you've now got people "calming down" after the press conference

I despair

La Liga calling their games off, USA banning flights from Europe, closing their capitol etc etc etc etc

You couldn't make this up

NHL has cancelled their season now

But its all good and there's nothing to worry about

I'm finding this rather amusing

WSOP in doubt

Pecker

You don't get a straight ba*tard answer out of them

Everything is pointing towards a disaster scenario with all the sudden cancelling of sporting events abroad, closing down capitols etc

Yet we get told "stiff upper lip" whilst being told "people will die"....

Ireland closes all their schools, we've had half of their lot over here for the festival... nothing being done

Madrid are caped in the virus, we've had 1000s of them over here for the football... nothing being done

You couldn't make this up in a disaster movie

You've got Trump banning Europe but not the UK

I mean WTF????

that's not entirely fair he did suggest,ask nicely  for people not to book A 20 GRAND CRUISE TOMORROW, haD TO PHONE THE WIFE UP IN TOWN AND TELL HER NOT TO BOTHER,

Trumps going to be the most hated man in US  in a few weeks time,completely lunatic with his mini me over here..

SontaranStratagem • March 12, 2020 5:51 PM GMT
What is going on seriously? what is their goal?

Their 'goal' is social control . Under normal circumstances the population will resist any form of State control and any threat to their right to freedom of movement and freedom to gather peacefully (either to protest or for leisure activities such as sports events etc.) .
But first of all the government need to rule by fear and this is done by stealth . If the people can be convinced that they are in imminent danger (also their families and in particular the elderly) they will be more inclined to accept restrictions imposed by the State . This will be done gradually until such time that the State has gained total control over the people . The only thing that will thwart their attempts is if a sufficient percentage of people start to question government propaganda fed to the masses through the media . If this forum , and in particular threads such as this , are any guide the number of gullible , sheep-like citizens , are in the minority . However it may be a sufficiently large minority to enable the State to achieve its aim !

I got 3 more tins of soup - slurped one   and some home made pancakes

nearest town -  the fktwits have scalped parts of it

old lady goes in same day every week to very well known supermarket

empty shelves  just wants her usual 4 toilet rolls  eggs etc etc

NOTHING  the khantarians have fked off with it all

staff   -  ' don't worry dear - we knew you would be in and kept your usual out the back'

what a lovely thing to do  - caring and all that - not like the monsters who have loaded their vans with stuff

do you think there may be a power cut and all the freezers defrost??

We don't need much food to live on.

That's a point food supplies, are they going to eat the toilet rolls they're stocking up on?

They'll be wiping their bottoms from the inside.

They ain't fit to wipe mine full stop !

loons on sky showing supermarkets in Italy running out of food with still 4 weeks of lockdown left,cue scramble to uk supermarkets in next few days/weeks

china, far east slowing cases down 120/150.000 recorded cases world wide ,obviously many more but Tweedledum/tweedledee hoping for 50 million uk public to catch it for their herd immunity model to work
may I ask is that absolutely foooooking blue sky thinking madness,worldwide we,re absolute foooooooking miles away from that

saying maybe 6 kids in street, park,garden playing is the same risk as 300/500 crammed in a school catching,spreading virus and them needing 60 million to catch it in uk to implement their herd immunity plan,is surely making these 2 experts sound as though their losing the plot, lets hope not

What would have been done with an outbreak like this say 50 years ago? Nothing.
It would have run its course, many would get it and recover, and some would die.

We'd just carry on.
The sooner you get the sooner you get over it.
If you're so weak that it polishes you off, how long had you got left anyway?

50 years ago we didn't have the mass trafficking of humanity back and forth to the Far East etc. Doubt if we would have heard a dicky for the first 6 months , especially given China's historic insular mentality .

50 years ago millions of people wernt mortgaged to the hilt,wernt used to both parents working.could let 5 yr olds out alone, etc,etc

If the virus were allowed to run its course, how many deaths would there be from it - tops?

Were talking about the old and the sick, so how many people are we keeping alive if any, by taking precautions to check the spread?

Most people who get the virus will not go on record, so in information terms, we're at the mercy of the authorities.
And we certainly can't trust their massaged figures.

Dunno Dr C. Still no mention of China’s containment. Where has the virus gone in Wuhan?

Meanwhile Greta and her fans told us millions will die if we don’t stop flying etc. So with less flights, lower production, lives will be saved.

Is their a net gain to this virus?

I think a pause in flying will be a drop in the ocean anyway Inera.

It seems to me that our lot are allowing the virus to get widespread and established before they impose restrictions.

Where has the virus gone in Wuhan?

Yes, I there's more to this than meets the eye.

Why is it called COVID-19? could it be that it's 19 years since 9/11, the elite are mocking us.

or even because it was discovered in dec 2019.FFS

Article back in the year 2000


What is flu?
Influenza is defined by the Gray Laboratory's medical dictionary as "an acute viral infection involving the respiratory tract. It is marked by inflammation of the nasal mucosa, the pharynx and conjunctiva and by headache and severe, often generalised myalgia. Fever, chills and prostration are common." The incubation period is one to three days and the disease ordinarily lasts for three to ten days.

What are the symptoms?

Self-diagnosis of flu is difficult as its classic symptoms, a fever, a sore throat, a headache and aching joints, are often confused with a common cold. You can test whether you have the flu on the NHS Direct website.


Flu differs from a common cold in the way that its viral strains rapidly appear and affect large numbers of people. Flu usually involves these initial symptoms, along with a worsening of the sore throat and muscle pains.

How does it spread?

Flu viruses enter the body through the eyes, nose or mouth. Flu is usually spread from person to person via airborne droplets or respiratory fluids, especially coughing and sneezing.

Is it fatal?

Yes. Every year flu kills thousands, particularly the elderly. Healthy people tend not to die from flu, although they can if complications develop, such as pneumonia or blood poisoning.

What I do?

If you are suffering from flu symptoms, you should stay at home, keep warm (but not over-warm), take basic painkillers such as Paracetamol to relieve your temperature, and drink plenty of water or other fluid to prevent becoming dehydrated.


Antibiotics are not effective against the flu. If your illness lasts longer than the usual three to ten days, you should see your doctor. You should also get medical advice if you are at risk of developing complications. These tend to emerge if you are old, infirm, suffer from a chronic illness or respiratory disease, or have a reduced immunity, from HIV or undergoing chemotherapy for instance.

If you haven't suffered from the virus this year and are at risk from developing severe flu, you can get a vaccination, which provides providing immunity to flu infection. 9m people in Britain have been vaccinated this winter. You need the injection every year: the vaccine is updated annually because of flu's constant mutation into different viral forms.

What is the cure?

Flu can be prevented by vaccination, but there is no cure. Flu is categorised into types A, B and C. Every year or so there are minor "drifts" in the viral strains of flu. These changes are enough to make those who suffered from - and became immune to - the previous strain susceptible to the new one.


This occurs because each flu strain has different surface antigens - which are molecules of two proteins. A person's immune system produce antibodies to fight the invading virus. These are developed specifically to attack each antigen, so when a new flu strain emerges it can circumvent the existing armoury in the body's immune system.

Large changes in the makeup of flu type A occur every decade or so. These are called "antigenic shifts" and tend to result in large epidemics.

Is this bout of flu an epidemic?

An epidemic is defined by the online medical dictionary as "occurring suddenly in numbers clearly in excess of normal expectancy, said especially of infectious diseases but applied also to any disease, injury or other health related event occurring in such outbreaks."

The government says flu reaches epidemic proportions when 400 people per 100,000 are suffering from the virus.

---- we havent reached that level yet ---


Last week, statistics gathered from doctors across the country showed that 144 people per 100,000 had the flu.


The government's chief medical officer professor Liam Donaldson has called the current outbreak the first "serious epidemic" for 10 years. He says the figures are an underestimate because thousands are bypassing their doctors and going to the pharmacist or using the government's new NHS Direct service.

The medical profession disagree. The British Medical Association chairman Dr Ian Bogle has denied the existence of an epidemic. Dr Douglas Fleming, the director of the Birmingham research unit which calculates the official flu figures, says that flu rates are actually "very similar to the figures from last year which were not epidemic".

This year's outbreak falls well short of previous epidemics. In the last official epidemic during the winter of 1989-90, 600 people per 1,000 fell ill and 26,000 people died  ----- They didnt stop liverpool winning the league back then ----

how many die from COLD  you know - freesing to death in their homes

any panic about that

any panic about influenza

andy panic about the knifings and killings  daily in London

they need to isolate the virus there alone  but they won't

you are an ant in the pile of ants working to make a few rich

live an learn

if nothing else comes from this Covid19 it will be a good  exercise in an attempt to display better hygiene and manners amongst the unwashed ...like fooken sneezing and coughing in supermarkets/crowded areas etc  .

  colds are pretty much preventable  ,  but due to others lax efforts are spread

It is amazing what we have allowed to be imported into this country in the last 20 years

So let's see what's happened in the 7 days since I started the thread.

From a very casual attitude regarding the virus, the bug has been allowed to spread. Until now very severe measures are being taken which they tell us is an attempt to stop its spreading further.
Needless to say the economy is already staggering from the measures, with food shortages a reality following the panic created by the media. 

All the wrong moves to guarantee the virus won't be contained, and now they're busy wrecking the economy, businesses, and kids education, in order to achieve the exact opposite of their original stance, which won't stop the virus anyway. 

So why are they doing all this? Incompetence, What!  After the way Johnson brilliantly worked his way into power won the GE and put Brexit to bed.

No way are they incompetent, so what's going on?

It's been 8 days since I started the thread not 7.

In that time the government have gone from one extreme to the other.

I think they are incompetent.

The other alternative is they are bent.

It would appear they have not done what was required to stop the virus getting here in such numbers in the first place.

Who have they protected? Their friends and their friends, diners and themselves

Airlines, usually big supporters of the Conservatives
Insurance Companies,
Members of Lloyd’s?

Why could you fly to a Rome as recently as Friday?

Why were you “ advised “ not to travel or go to pubs rather than prohibited?

The other big thing is they have been exposed over the NHS and when people finally realise their may be a reckoning.

Why have they not procured sanitizer or set up wash stations on mass transit sites?

What have they done to help people?

They have lost the plot!

The government has protected no one, businesses are all in trouble.

Their inaction at the beginning has led to those companies especially airlines being on the edge of bankruptcy. How can that be viewed as looking after their friends?

Because they did not want to upset them by forcing them to cancel flights!

The Government did not understand the seriousness of the situation now they have done for the airlines but don’t worry they will bail them out with our tax payer money!

Let’s see how much BA / IAG and Virgin get

What happened during the last crisis....the Banks were bailed out!

The rich were bailed out by the rest of us!

If one can only see things according to one's own belief system, one is destined to become virtually deaf, dumb, and blind. Easily led, Easily fooled and without a logical thought regarding what is really happening !

I think that sums it all up quite nicely

AMEN

As individuals the people who run these organisations do not need bailing out in any way, they're all rich to start with.

And they stay rich despite what happens to their businesses. Governments act to preserve jobs for the little people, whose votes they depend to get them elected.
The banks had to be bailed out, The airlines will have to be saved, and any large employer has to be stopped from going out of business.

It's not done for politic reasons, it's done because it has to be.

what is really happening !

Attack on the over 70s JWH?

Would explain a lot.

Excellent then we can nationalise BA and Virgin and pay them current market rate for their shares or better still let it go to The Receivers and the tax payer will get an even better deal! Isn’t that how Capitalism works?

If they don’t pay wages to their workers then we should not pay anything to the share holders as the Airlines are currently worthless and capacity will not increase any time soon