WOMEN - how to get and keep them

At least no one is questioning what sex you are..that must be an improvement.

I think that is the first time you have made me laugh, sofia.  And it is a GREAT improvement.

By the way, being one of my early tormentors on here about my gender, what do you really think about it now?  Am I a woman or a man?

Feb 4, 2020 -- 9:54PM, annie. wrote:

We can't act nice all our life ffs. You've got to allow for an occasional slip up. That says it all - 'we can't ACT NICE  all our life' You've got to allow an occasionsl slip up.So you are not nice but act it with women?  That is the problem.  I don't want a man who has to act nice, I want a man who is genuinely nice.  Which on this website seems in short supply.  Although I should know that by now and keep my mouth shut

In your first post you advised, as the first tip of how to get and keep women, 'don't show your nasty side'. You already assumed there is a nasty side and that it should be kept hidden.

Now you are blaming me for not being nice but acting so in front of women.

Seriously wtf?

What exactly does genuinely nice mean then? Can a person with a nasty side be genuinely nice in your opinion?

Feb 4, 2020 -- 9:13PM, Johnny_Mustang wrote:

Only on the BF forum could the original thread title “women - how to get and keep them” segue into absolute farce with some complete and utter tool offering up Sutcliffe, Stalin and Hitler as flange magnets. Outstanding.

I remmeber you from a few years back , you typed like a sad lonely little virgin back then as well 

Although I suppose a poster named after a condom trying to fool people he drives a mustang its only to be expected.

Feb 4, 2020 -- 9:54PM, annie. wrote:

We can't act nice all our life ffs. You've got to allow for an occasional slip up. That says it all - 'we can't ACT NICE  all our life' You've got to allow an occasionsl slip up.So you are not nice but act it with women?  That is the problem.  I don't want a man who has to act nice, I want a man who is genuinely nice.  Which on this website seems in short supply.  Although I should know that by now and keep my mouth shut

I don't know what you mean by "nice " as others have said it's a subjective thing. You basically mean someone who you can mold them into what you want them to be- you can't be that pleasant yourself if you have dumped every single bf you have ever had in all fairness.

Annie, if someone has a nasty side, you're asking him to hide it.
But at the same time you're asking people to be genuine and not just act nice.

Now I am sure as a woman this thing is crystal clear to you. But I don't get it. There is a clear contradiction there.

DET

How many sides have you?

I have been trying to help the men on this forum and as many of them are not nice I said if they want to be successful with women they have to hide this part of them.

However, with me I want a genuinely nice man.  Although really I can't be bothered about men, been there done that.  Although I still am friendly with my last ex boyfriend and visit him a few times a week just as friends.

Trying to help the men with what annie- dating someone like your good self who dumps someone for not helping a woman across the road? Is that a "nice" thing to do?

I have said that as I have often said I watch 'match of the day' and the eagle eyed among you will have noticed I did not have a tv for years.

That wasn't the only reason I dumped him, wolfie.

You also stated " women are much nicer than men" , does it not occur to you that comments like that can be perceived as highly ignorant and as "not nice " as the behaviour you claim to be against yourself?

Whatever, wolfie

Is the correct answer gaffer tape and roofies?

You can type whatever, but that is offensive labelling an entire gender as "nicer" than another... from my experience women can be far more bitchy than men. I have no issues with you thinking women are better than men but in a glasshouse , don't throw stones and be a hypocrite taking offence when you are keen to dish it out

I was having a laugh reading this thread and the bizzarest thing happened immediately afterwards.  I read the lyrics "but begging's not my business" and thought I recognise that song without pinning it down.  Immediately afterwards my son asks for a lift.  I get in the car and turn on the radio.  A radio that is always tuned to 5live or talksport and for some reason it's on a completely random FM frequency and Squeeze's Up The Junction is playing.  Spooky

I agree with the sentiments about being yourself and whatever happens, happens.  If you like someone, obviously you make more effort to be friendly.

Indeed, if you aren't yourself then its doomed to fail eventually. The OP says men need to leave out the "nasty " part whatever thats supposed to mean and as every human being has a myriad of different character traits that may not be fully compatible with all women living in a bubble of delusion where their bf is a combination of james bond, bill gates , the joker from batman and mother teresa  maybe she should date a vicar or something as she has dumped in her own words every single man she has ever dated.

What she means Wolfee is

It's usually best not to act like a complete DICK

How does one correctly tell a lady she has a cracking set of wobblers witout looking like a perv?



"May I compliment you on your embonpoint?"

Good thread annie, what have you started would you be so kind as to list the top 5 traits women look for in men

If someone gets angry at an old woman crossing the road that’s a very clear and good reason to leave him

Shouldn’t need that explaining to you .

Feb 4, 2020 -- 11:59PM, peckerdunne wrote:

What she means Wolfee is It's usually best not to act like a complete DICK

lets hope she overlooks your username then

Annie is right - men are easy to work out, but so are women.

If you wanna pull a woman, try to be witty. Women don't want Bernard Manning type jokes. Next in is listen to what women say or at least pretend to.

Women like a man to be confident also. The 'bad boys' may get the initial attention from women but that soon fades. So nice guys do win out in the end.

Now keeping the woman is the next part of the thread. Don't see why anybody should stay with anybody when the gloss has worn off. What you were 5 years ago is different to the person you are now. Seems obvious that what you once loved - now you don't. So why hang on in there when there are new relationships to be had?

''Never try to impress a woman, because if you do she'll expect you to keep up the standard for the rest of your life.''

W. C. Fields.

Make no mistake, women go for looks or money.  Never mind what they say to the contrary.

If you've got the looks or a bit of cash, you'll have to be pretty dumb not to have your choice of women.
Of course that might exclude the real female beauties who have their own money, then they can take their pick of the men.

If you're included in the above, your partner will forgive almost anything.

It's all bullshine.

Don't make your woman the centre of your life.

Women generally dislike men who put their whole life around them and have no other purpose.

Also find a woman that has complimentary energy to you. If you are an alpha masculine male do not pick an alpha female. Pick one who has a lot of feminine submissive energy. If you are naturally a submissive man pick a more dominant woman - although that is unlikely to last.

Annie is right that if you keep a man happpy in the bedroom then the relationship has more chance of flourishing. The problem is women do not have the same sexual urges and needs of men and therein lies the problem.

Another point is Women tend to let themselves go a bit after they have snared there Man.

And men always keep in shape and don't get a beer belly once they are comfortable in a relationship.

No me.

don't ever take advice on how to get women from women - they don't even know themselves what they want. most of attraction is subconscious and not a choice. naturally how you smell has as much to do with attraction as money or having a good sense of humour

Mrs Baboon is very lovely....and very lucky to have me

Annie is nice, and also screaming is a gent for answering my question.

I do ok thank you.  But from both sides  ho ho

Come on annie don't let this die off

I have no trouble attracting cats...I just have to leave some cat food down

Never worked with women though...that is a tragedy

Was at a restaurant yesterday and observed three women, which reminded me of the 'genuinely nice' thing.

I had placed my order and was waiting for it to be ready(new girl at the resto was clueless so had a lot of customers waiting).

Two young women walk in and ask if their order is ready. Told to wait.

Another woman(a jolly talkative type) walks in and inquires about her order in a louder than normal tone(which was just her way of talking). She's told to wait so she goes back out to have a smoke. The two young women talk among themselves about how funny that woman talks. Then they go back to their original topic of discussion, which was about a work colleague they had been criticizing for the last few mins.

The jolly woman walks in again after a few min, inquires about her order by telling her name and spelling it out too. Then turns to the two young women explaining to them how she has a unique name and needs to spell it out for people. What followed was the nicest conversation i've ever heard between 3 ladies. As if they knew each other since childhood. The woman receives her order and leaves, at which point the other two go back to talking about how crazy that woman was. Then they conveniently went back to criticizing their work colleague again.

Maybe they are programmed to act that way but that is some complicated programming.

I believe it detraveller, I worked in an office with a lot of women once

It baffled me a bit, still does really?

It was impossible to believe they were talking to and about the same woman???????????

Men are a lot more violent and women are a lot more caring (for the sick, elderley and children).  It's genetic and has always been the way throughout history.  I imagine that's where annie is coming from.  Of course they, are also a lot more bitchy and disingenuous.  In short, women are nicer to people in person, mean are nicer behind their backs.

Men are a lot more violent and women are a lot more caring
Because for centuries women took the easier job of staying at home while convincing men that they were supposed to fight animals, work in the fields, bring home food etc. So when men went out they developed their nasty side. Then women played the double game and told them if they wanted to get and keep women, they'd have to hide their nasty side.

Hi annie,

More like men chose to work in the fields and fight animals because genetically (mentally and physically) that's what they were better suited to do.  Different world now ofc

Hi, foxy, so nice to see a friendly 'face' on this thread   You have always been nice to me, thank you.

Agreed CLYDEBANK29.

But I disagree about women being a lot more bitchy and disingenuous.  But then I don't associate with women like that, but it seems that a lot of men on this site do.

You're most welcome. always found pour posts interesting, fair and well described.

your*

Thanks again, foxy, you have cheered me up.

A Scottish manual worker killed his partner before raping and killing her teenage daughter at a flat in Newry, County Down, an inquest has heard.

A 23-year-old man has admitted murdering and sexually assaulting an 89-year-old widow in her own bed.

I could go on but you get the point. 

Some chit chatters have questioned my point about women being nicer than men.  Only 5% of the prison population are women I have read.

Well you have certainly got us men there annie..difficult to say anything good about these pair of beauties.

Men have a natural VIOLENCE built in, it was necessary once of the human species would not be here, but seems more of

a nuisance now.

Perhaps we have to learn to judge people regardless of sex, there are women who have committed murder.

I don't think anyone who posts on here make or female has killed anyone, I trust.

Mind you some of us have thought of it, if say a jockey drops his/her hands a stride too early, and other such instances.

Women deal violence but it is primarily psychological, manufactured drama, silences etc etc

Scissor Sisters (convicted killers) - Wikipedia - Dublin
Linda and Charlotte Mulhall are sisters from Dublin, Ireland, known for having killed and dismembered their mother's boyfriend, Farah Swaleh Noor,

it's not a broad brush

I don't understand annie's examples to prove women are nicer. I don't have a problem believing that they are indeed nicer, but the two examples are irrelevant. Men are definitely violent. That's because they can afford to be. Women wouldn't dare snatch a wallet from a man, unless they are Ronda Rusi or whatever the name of that ufc gal is.

I am a very skinny guy and have always avoided fights. That's because I cannot play the tough guy game. I can push someone, but I won't be able to take his push, so I either avoid the fight or deal a good first blow. It has nothing to do with me being nice, just physical limitations.

Feb 6, 2020 -- 8:28PM, annie. wrote:

I could go on but you get the point.  Some chit chatters have questioned my point about women being nicer than men.  Only 5% of the prison population are women I have read.

why are you quoting cases of male violence against women? It's just as pointless as quoting egs of mothers who kill their children etc or the disgusting vanessa georges  activity with sex images of minors .. has it also not occurred to you that there are more egs of men killing women rather than the other way around due to men being naturally stronger. I'm sure in a parallel universe if women were suddenly stronger/larger than their husbands you would see these "nice " ladies crime rates rocket in terms of violence but in the real world how many women can overpower an average man?

You say only 5% of prisoners are women, but even leaving the above argument aside, many courts don't imprison women for the same crimes as men due to the fact they are carers to children and we know if both genders appear in court the sentences are not equal. Men are more aggressive than women due to testosterone but being " nicer " isnt always about the propensity to beat someones brains in which the majority of men don't do so why you are wittering on about a 23 year old man battering an 89 year old woman to vindicate your stance of the "average" woman being " nicer " than the average man Ive no idea

One former brit drug forces head is on record saying they would let women go because one, they had kids in the house and two, they didn't want to deal with the headache of having to prove to social services that this woman was a criminal.

But using crime to prove that one gender is nicer than the other doesn't make any sense to me. Women don't commit crimes because in many cases they simply can't. No one would hire a woman to rob a bank or kill someone.

Exactly, its like saying the average 80 year old is a lovely fellow because he shuffles along minding his own business... he can't physically afford to do much else so is hardly likely to show his "nasty " side. Women for the most part cant overpower men yet verbally are far more bitchy and shouty in my experience showing its nothing to do with being nice or not nice but working within your physical limitations

'No one would hire a woman to rob a bank or kill someone'.Ever heard of Bonnie Elizabeth Parker dt,

Don't think she worked for anyone.

Annie's thread description makes for a hilarious reading now. She was right in not posting on this topic for years. That glass of wine lured her in.

Are most cases of violence involving men against other men. Therefore its not so much to do with physical capabilities, but more to do with men being more violent

Feb 6, 2020 -- 10:33PM, detraveller wrote:

Don't think she worked for anyone.

Pedant, you value your own importance on here far too highly. Lighten up, the moment you refer posters to terry mac, any credibility you may have is flushed down the pan. Now I'm off gn annie, guys.

Feb 6, 2020 -- 10:37PM, lfc1971 wrote:

Are most cases of violence involving men against other men. Therefore its not so much to do with physical capabilities, but more to do with men being more violent

The OP was mentioning specific cases of violence from men to women as apparent proof one gender is more evil than the other. Regarding violence from man to man- depends on your stance. On one hand we have women who make nasty malicious comments behind someones back and men who confront other men which sometimes escalates to violence but at least its face to face and not disingenuous. I don't condone either, but wouldn't state womens behaviour is more honourable or necessarily "nicer". The law would say 2 men fighting in a carpark is illegal but say women bullying others in the work place with personal vile comments that can cut deeper than any black eye is perfectly acceptable and laugh it off because they have nail varnish and lipstick on.

Incidentally if it wasn't to do with physical capabilities, you would see OAPs battering each other. They aren't physically built for physical conflict and bar the small minority neither are women so physical capability has everything to do with behaviour. There are many cases of women assaulting women but as it rarely gets more serious than hair pulling they dont often end up in court- if a woman hits another woman its unlikely to cause as much damage as a man hitting a man and the law grades crime in definition of injury with ABH /GBH etc medical terms so is it any wonder the proportion of male to female offenders is much higher?

Yes but it might be proof that men are more violent than women. They are just 2 examples. The fact that men are also generally stronger may have have no bearing on the fact (if we just go by the figures) that men are more violent.

As I said, most acts of violence are committed by men, on men

It was yourself or someone else who mentioned that men are physically stronger , that I would say matters not

as most violence is between men

Well if you are using crime statistics to ascertain whether men or women are more violent then of course it matters which gender is stronger. Scenario 1 - 2 women are in a fight  Scenario 2 - 2 men are in a fight. As we know ABH ( actual bodily harm) and GBH ( grievous bodily harm) are medical terms based on injuries, which of the two scenarios is likely to cause these crimes on the balance of probability? 2 women lacking any real strength slapping each other grabbing hair or two men punching each others lights out? The former is likely to warrant a reprimand whilst the latter is more likely to entail a court appearance /CPS charges with annie reading the paper shaking her head at how nasty men are forgetting the two women "fighting " as it never went to court as neither was capable of dealing sufficient damage to warrant it

Feb 6, 2020 -- 10:41PM, boxingthefox wrote:

Feb  6, 2020 -- 10:33PM, detraveller wrote:Don't think she worked for anyone.Pedant, you value your own importance on here far too highly. Lighten up, the moment you refer posters to terry mac, any credibility you may have is flushed down the pan. Now I'm off gn annie, guys.

My only problem is when I make a joke nobody realizes it was a joke.

Is it easier to physically damage a woman , or a man. Which is it?

As you havent read what Ive written and not answered theres no point continuing this nonsense on LFC. If you seriously think a woman is likely to cause more damage in a fight to another woman than a man fighting another man I don't see the purpose in continuing the debate on

A grown woman probably has the strength of a 13 year old boy , as the criminal age of responsibility is 10 how many 13 year olds are charged with ABH or GBH? If you haven't got the physical strength to cross the legal threshold of what is medically defined as ABH/GBH then you aren't going to be charged with the crime. Two 13 year olds fighting are likely to cause less damage to each other than two grown men- two women are likely to cause less damage to each other than two men. It's hardly rocket science is it.

I read what you said and noticed that you described two women pulling each other’s hair and slapping each other
I’m suggesting that if two men did that the results would be the same .

If a woman wanted and was violent enough she could of course the same damage another woman as a man would to another man

lfc, how much physical damage, for the purpose of the law, a person can take does not depend on the gender of that person but on the force of the punch. You're very confused.

No , it does depend on the gender . A man can take a much more forceful punch than a woman could

So you're saying a man's nose would need a greater punch force to break than a woman's?

Yes men’s bone structure is generally stronger

And in fact someone like Muhammad Ali had a bone structure that was exceptional in being able to take a punch
It was Ali’s ability to take a punch that was his greatest strength
Moreso than his other great qualities

Some people have that ability , and men have a greater capacity for it than women

ok

It’s also something that is important in football , and other sports of course as well as boxing

so by that logic then LFC , two 13 year old kids who I presume you agree can't take a punch as well as a man would be in A n E every time they had a scrap in the playground

wolf, it's a trap.

When a footballer tackles another it is just not a case of being able to resist a powerful tackle , but the players physical strength that can make the difference between a broken leg or being able to limp off

It's hard to know if he's fishing or just not very bright - in any event it's late so shall leave this nonsense for the time being

wolf two children are just that , children . They are not men and generally not as violent as men
If however one was to attack the other violently then of course there would be major injuries

Especially if they are girls :)

If two children attacked each other LFC, as happens in schools up and down the country every day there would not be "major injuries" in most cases as neither party has the strength to inflict them on the other. There were fights every other day at my old school and can't recall anyone ever being seriously injured as the strength wasn't there to cause the injuries. If two women were fighting , in most cases neither would have the capacity to cause lasting damage hence no police involvement /no criminal statistics- the fact you think two children that were girls could cause the same extent of injury to each other as two grown men is not just ridiculous but laughable quite frankly. Goodbye and goodnight

I disagree wolf . I think women would have the capacity but choose not to cause excessive damage , they might not hit each other directly in the face for example but will tend to grapple and roll around on the ground etc . and a lot of this may even be subconscious
Of course there are exceptions but in general this is more likely
Men will fight in a much more ruthless and violent way
Goodbye and goodnite

This discussion seems to have diverted a bit from Annie's initial idea.

Because Annie stopped contributing. Her first idea, as I pointed out earlier too, was hypocritical. Asking men to hide their nasty side for women, then telling us we shouldn't just act nice because women want genuinely nice people. I am still waiting for the answer.

You've got a point regarding physical strength, so it's probably best to concentrate on white collar crime.  I'd wager men are 3-4 times more likely to commit fraud if they found themselves in the same position, and that need would be the prime driver for women, whereas greed would be the prime motive for men.  I think they are on average inately kinder and more caring and don't think there really is much argument to that.  I think it's inate, and risk taking is correlated to testosterone.  I think if you are too nice you a bit boring personally, and that there is greater pressure on men to take risks.  Women don't want to take as many risks as men.

Fwiw I think women are more likely to accept the proceeds of a criminal partner, and more greed and money orientated when it comes to choosing a partner or spouse.

"WOMEN - how to get and keep them"

by Phillip Schofield.

Interesting points clyde regarding the white collar crime, but as many more men are employed in that area it's difficult to prove or disprove. The majority of thefts in care homes for eg are perpetuated by women but then the majority of employees are women so it's like comparing apples and Oranges.

One thing I would wager at 1.02 is that Philip Schofield was straight before Annie started this thread

Any bloke who says he understands the ladies is a bloody liar