The Lad thrown from the Balcony

Absolutely Dreadful all these  new Mental Diseases , ADHD  another of the Modern Disease

As for Mr Bravery I would suggest a 10 foot drop with a rope round his neck would be helpful .

I am glad he seems to be getting better

I would have thought Mr Bravery would have obtained more sympathy if he threw himself off the balcony

than pushing a young boy off

He has lost any possible sympathy he might had had....although I assume he was passed sane enough to be free

Best not to make that mistake again...not for very very long time, if ever

hopefully they prescribe this guy a feather with which to take that stupid facial fluff off with

Looks quite a heavy chap, casemoney, three foot would suffice.

LOL foin , the Poor lad and his family ,HTF could you cope with watching that lump of shyte throwing your child off a balcony .

At risk of angering the string 'em up brigade, surely the real questions are how an obvious fruitloop was free to wander the streets (and remember he is in Broadmoor now) and how we can stop similar types being released to care in the community in future.

Not sure he has been Locked up , A sick individual who will Cost the Tax payers Millions .

This was premeditated attempted Murder , by an Evil basterd ,should be one outcome but sadly we lost that option years ago ..

This animal has no place in Society ,No doubt the rehabilitation mob will be out in force ...

Will be out in the Community again , Just hope its no where near your manor .......

Sentencing is next month but he is remanded in Broadmoor (see link in OP). I'm not sure there is a direct route from Broadmoor to Care in the Community.

And come to think of it, when did we hang people for *attempted* murder?

Probably safer to hang people for attempted murder.

Always a risk they spend years inside pondering their ineptitude and then have another go on release.

how we can stop similar types being released to care in the community in future.

Simple, string 'em up.

We do not have the death sentence do we?

The question with this man is whether he knew what he was doing was wrong.

If he did Prison for life/ or a very long time, else if he can prove he did not know this, Broadmoor for life.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51389881

Seems a lot of people Knew his Intentions , But of course we had the Old Luvvies involved ...

The teenager who threw a six-year-old boy from the tenth floor of the Tate Modern in London had spoken about plans to push someone off a high building about a year earlier.

"At the time of the attack Bravery, who has AUTISM ,poor Jonti , was in the care of Hammersmith and Fulham Council. He lived in a flat in Northolt, west London, with round-the-clock care."

A raving evil fooker ,There will be more history , As stated a 10 foot drop on the end of a rope would be a swift Resolution .

Very understandable feelings case

But it appears he was under the mental health system, but seems not to have been recognised as dangerous...?????????

He should always have been confined....he will now I expect, until death or very old age with prisoners

of similar ilk...it will not be a holiday believe me, and neither should it


I hope the French boy continues his recovery, very very sad

Extradite Jonty Bravery to a French prison.

Blamed on austerity by 2 luvvies on GMB. One of whom is Nihal Arthurnayake who presents on radio 5.

Ian Dale walked off in disgust!

https://youtu.be/7T1eUHPft4g

Supposed to be impartial etc.

Clearly the chap is mentally ill and the leftist state has put his welfare above the safety of the general public. Not sure why their is a court case and lessons will be learned.

Six special carers being paid to look after him due to his condition, and they let him out by himself to do this.

Autism or not, a few damn good hidings when he was a child might have gone a long way towards teaching him right from wrong.

6 people looking after it and they Blame Austerity , 1.01 the luvvie parents insisting on care in the Community , as long as not by them ..

You wouldn't want that head looking over your garden fence .

Autism or not, a few damn good hidings when he was a child might have gone a long way towards teaching him right from wrong.


and your experience of Autistic children is what ?

zero at a guess

One of my childhood friends was autistic, sure he had to have extra attention, but was still brought up like the rest of us to know right from wrong.
I've known several others.

What's your experience of autism Capt_F?  Just because you've watched Rain Man a couple of times doesn't make you an expert.

My 4th son is servely Autistic

I have watched you for several years

you are not a decent person

Crippen, No one could defend the sad events at Tate Modern BUT FFS - you'll have to do far better than that.  What is this....A Parody of "some of my best friends are/were autistic!!!!

Without wishing to second guess Capt F's objection to your post, I'd bet a fortune that his objection was your "a few damn good hidings when he was a child might have gone a long way towards teaching him right from wrong". 

Why do you continue to demonstrate ignorance on subjects you know little or nothing about.

There are certainly a lot More Autistic People in the world these days , Fortunately they are not Maniacs

as stated I think we may find there is little bit more to this Character than being autistic .

Infact would the Autism Experts on here explain what it is ?? Because there are not many people who can .

There you go, and they wonder why people like the one in question threw a child off an eleventh floor balcony.
And that's after he'd already threatened to do something similar.
I bet he's never been reprimanded for doing anything wrong in his life.

They haven't got a clue.

you are not a decent person

All I can say to that Capt_F, is that I don't come on here calling people names over their opinions like you seem to.

Blackbarn isn't much better either with this little beauty:

What is this....A Parody of "some of my best friends are/were autistic!!!!

Capt asked me a question and so I answered it. Is that too difficult for blackbarn to understand?

Why do you continue to demonstrate ignorance on subjects you know little or nothing about.

While you blackbarn, show complete ignorance over something you only read 10 minutes ago.

casemoney... You said..

"There are certainly a lot More Autistic People in the world these days" - Is this true? Population growth would suggest that is is.

"Fortunately they are not Maniacs" - This is an irrational comment. What evidence is there, that more or less autistics are "maniacs"?

"as stated I think we may find there is little bit more to this Character than being autistic" - You may be right and this may well come out.

"In fact would the Autism Experts on here explain what it is ?? Because there are not many people who can".
What are you looking for here. I doubt that there are autism experts on here BUT you've already made up you mind anyway, so what is the point? Here are your opinions so far...

"You wouldn't want that head looking over your garden fence"
"Seems a lot of people Knew his Intentions , But of course we had the Old Luvvies involved"
"A raving evil fooker ,There will be more history , As stated a 10 foot drop on the end of a rope would be a swift Resolution.
"This was premeditated attempted Murder by an Evil basterd ,should be one outcome but sadly we lost that option years ago"
"This animal has no place in Society ,No doubt the rehabilitation mob will be out in force"













You've said........

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Crippen - I stand by my post TO YOU of 23.28.  If you want to debate that. Tell me when. I will even try to explain what parody means. x

Cripen

how many disabled children do you have ?

life changes when you responsible for a disabled child.

you pontificate about violence to a young person solve all

you know zero

I didn't name call you I made an observation

I was right

Karma

The experts did it their way.
Six people looking after him and they let him out on his own.
He'd already threatened to do something similar.

He's now ready to be sentenced for attempted murder.
And a small child has been horribly injured and is maimed for the rest of its life.

Lord save us from the experts.

blackbarn why don't you try addressing the issue yourself, instead of looking for something in the posts of others that you can disagree with?

Otherwise keep your beak out.

Now that we are out of the EU hanging could be brought back but the vast majority
of MPs would never vote for it.

Care in the Community started under Maggie I believe. It’s been a disaster.

A friend of mine was under supervision and heavily medicated. He stated a desire to be independent. His family objected. 6 experts went with the wishes of the patient.

He didn’t administer his drugs and flipped. Broke into a house, stole car keys and the car. Drove 250 miles without a licence or insurance. Could have killed himself and others but mercifully didn’t.

Taken back into care and was looked after.

Nothing’s really changed...and we wonder why these tragedies occur. Assylums are needed.

The reason we have care in the community is that we closed a lot of mental institutions to save money....

This man had already been diagnosed with autism, he continually told people he wanted to push people off a high building,

which does not seem too sane to me either...and makes him potentially dangerous

If one accepts his insanity, he should have been detained in a secure unit, not allowed out


If people think he is sane one would think or hope he will go to prison for a very long time if not for life

I so wish he had had not pushed that six year old boy off the balcony

Capital punishment was abolished in Australia in the early 70s although I think the last person to actually be executed was in 1959. A big selling point was "don't worry no murderous maniacs will be allowed out." Well that turned out to be a load of bollocks. Sentences for murder keep getting smaller and smaller. Some murderers are out after 7 years.

Taxpayers gave an estimated £150,000 a year to provide care for the troubled teenager who pushed a six-year-old boy from the top of the Tate Modern, it emerged yesterday.

But the Mail has seen records suggesting that £150,000 a year was spent on Bravery’s round-the-clock care. He had a team of up to six carers and was housed by Hammersmith and Fulham Council in a private two-bedroom flat where the rent was about £650 a month.
Bravery’s care was outsourced to a private firm, Spencer and Arlington. It meant he had two carers all day and all night, working in shifts.

Grace Blakeley, an economics commentator for New Statesman magazine, told ITV’s Good Morning Britain: ‘This is all because of the way in which the council has to cut things out. Very, very vulnerable children with severe mental health problems just don’t get provided for. It’s another story you can trace back to austerity.’

Another guest, BBC Radio 5 Live presenter Nihal Arthanayake, added: ‘He went out on his own presumably because there wasn’t somebody who could accompany him. There wasn’t the resources.’

Mr Dale angrily told them: ‘Utter, utter rubbish. It had nothing to do with cuts – it’s to do with people doing the sensible thing... you don’t need to have thousands of pounds to be sensible.’


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7980371/How-taxpayers-forked-150-000-year-care-mentally-ill-Tate-pusher.html

More money needs to be allocated by GOVERNMENT for mental health care

Instead of leaving councils to make impossible decisions

!n hindsight clearly this man should have been detained somewhere.

They are my Opinions indeed . This bloke is an Evil Fooker . Premeditated attempted Murder END OF ...

There a lot of men in prison who should really be in a secure mental health unit..

In fact this man may end up in prison....he has to be detained somewhere

Autism, or autism spectrum disorder (ASD), refers to a broad range of conditions characterized by challenges with social skills, repetitive behaviors, speech and nonverbal communication. According to the Centers for Disease Control, autism affects an estimated 1 in 59 children in the United States today.

I wonder which Condition leads to Balcony Throwing ??

Lock it up and throw the Key away , And that is too for him .

TOO GOOD

I am not a psychiatrist....case

But he was already in the mental health system...so he was already considered not quite sane?

It was an EVIL act Case, and if he was sane he would be an EVIL man.....

But insanity is a defence, so if people accept that, I think the man was PROBABLY insane...

Attempting to murder a child would hardly gain him any sympathy

I don't know for certain...it is just my opinion, as usual

I know of people in the mental health system who have threatened suicide

A fair proportion of them have done it sadly...so people are not always bluffing.

Planned attack , Knew exactly what he was doing ...

If that is your opinion case, I will say no more

We agree to differ

We will see what happens at the trial?

something's gone badly wrong here. expect he will end up in a secure hospital indefinitely as he's clearly very dangerous and autism can't be cured.

We know very little about mental health . There is something wrong with the brain . Most problems in the body can be determined and treated in some way but the brain is entirely different . There will come a time when all mental health problems will be treatable . I would guess that a large number of offenders/prisoners suffer from mental issues . I mean , who in their right mind would attack , rape , maim , kill somebody for no reason                                                   ?.......a truly awful event

An attacker is presented with two potential targets on a high balcony: One is a kid with his back turned, the other is a guy who can see the attacker coming and is well equipped to deal with him.

Evidently, because of his affliction, Jonty Bravery was as likely to attack one as the other, and be exonerated in either case, because it was his affliction that did this, not him.

I reckon that is wrong in principle and practice.

I hope they extradite Jonty Bravery to a French jail.

People or should I say criminals are all too quick to hide under some form of mental health to mitigate disgusting acts. You could argue any killer is "mentally ill " or was at the time of the offence... is it sane to risk a life sentence for killing someone even if you find it a crime of passion or someone who was "pushed to it"? Is it sane to throw some poor kid over a railing - of course not but its not sane babbling away on a mat to allah or taking the body of christ in a church. They're all acts of varying degrees of "mental illness" but the former is simply an act of evil and no mental health condition should mitigate it. Even if the defence argued it was down to some mental health condition, could anyone like that ever be trusted in the community again despite impassioned pleas from the defence it was down to a duck in a bath tub being put in with him by an evil uncle etc etc with the psycho babble rubbish. Bravery needs to be put to death - whether its his genetic makeup or upbringing that has contributed to his behaviour whats it matter ultimately when the end result is something that is barely human and more like an animal. Anyone saying it was " his condition that did it " is talking utter b0llocks as by that logic every serial killer and rapist could blame his "condition " meaning no one is responsible for anything. It's time people took responsibility for their actions and if not suffered the consequences with "conditions " being blamed.

The death penalty for *attempted* but not actual murder?

And this chap was in the mental health system his whole life. It is not a cunning wheeze his defence lawyers thought of last week.

Any form of mental illness has to be properly diagnosed by a psychiatrist who is trained to do this.

Of course if people think there is no such thing as mental illness, fine, but I think differently because I have been in with them

I can assure you it is no act.

I admit it not a totally exact science, such as diagnosing a physical illness.

As Ramruma says this man had been in the system all his life...I would guess they got that right.

Unfortunately they seem to have underestimated how dangerous it made this man.

I would rather this man pushed me off than this young boy, I am old.

lol @ trained psychiatrist, how naïve can you get. You could get 100 psychiatrists diagnosing the same patient and they would all disagree on what the form of " mental illness " was or even if there was one at all. Google the Rosenhan experiment and educate yourself on why it's a flawed branch of medicine with no definitive right or wrong answer to anything open to all kinds of abuse and misdiagnoses. For someone to be " mentally ill " you firstly have to quantify what being "mentally healthy is " with society saying spending the first 20 years of your life learning mostly meaningless information, the next 45 years working in for most people amounts to  a fairly futile job serving a workplace based on social relationships rather than meritocracy in order to form a hierarchy of pay and then leaving to spend years decaying to death with your best years gone with the highlight of the day turning the tv on to see what pen is being offered with the latest life insurance policy.

It doesn't matter what system he has been in, he has attempted to push a young child to his death and offers nothing to society on a practical or moral level in being kept alive in custody costing the tax payer - put it to death

Feb 8, 2020 -- 10:19PM, Ramruma wrote:

The death penalty for *attempted* but not actual murder?And this chap was in the mental health system his whole life. It is not a cunning wheeze his defence lawyers thought of last week.

so the fact this kid has survived and can open a hand now means its not as bad a crime on a moral level but if he suddenly dies the culprit transforms into a more evil character instantly?

Feb 8, 2020 -- 4:24PM, UBLE/REGY wrote:

I know of people in the mental health system who have threatened suicideA fair proportion of them have done it sadly...so people are not always bluffing.

BTW what exactly is " the mental health system " ? I remember 20 years ago being on anti depressants for a short time, realised they were poison and stopped taking them. If I went out and hacked the postmans head off with a rusty breadknife could I claim immunity from prosecution or mercy because I have apparently " been in the system".

When Mr Bravery is released , and he will be ,He may be looking for Lodgings ,We cannot have this poor chap ending up in a halfway house ..

Shirley someone on here will put their name forward to help him out ..

I only hope you are not living in a tower block .

UB nail on the Head , this was a cowardly planned attack by a lump of shyte ,Autism has sweet FA to do with it


We have the mental illness caper being pulled right left and Center ...

A warped outlook does not Mean mental illness ,there are horrible evil people walking this earth ..

As ub Said I would imagine there are plenty of 18 stone Geezers visit the Tate , Obviously the effort of Hoying

one of them over the balcony , is beyond this guy because of his affliction ...

As for the Death Penalty for Attempted murder , I believe the lad can move his hand ,Lord only knows the devistation

it has caused his family ... To have been on the Balcony and witnessed the Incident ,I would struggle to cope with it ,to
be  the childs Mother and witness it ,is beyond comprehension .

I don't think anyone has suggested it has been a bed of roses for the child, his mother or family.

However, since the perpetrator had six mental health care workers, it is probably safe to assume a pre-existing condition, unless you think he has been faking it since birth for just this moment.

@wolf3011 -- so the fact this kid has survived and can open a hand now means its not as bad a crime on a moral level but if he suddenly dies the culprit transforms into a more evil character instantly?

No but it is the difference between murder and not-murder. That is how it works. It is the same with knife crime, where a lot of people now survive who would have died in earlier times because of better medical care and the skill of surgeons.

Feb 9, 2020 -- 2:55AM, casemoney wrote:

When Mr Bravery is released , and he will be ,He may be looking for Lodgings ,We cannot have this poor chap ending up in a halfway house .. Shirley someone on here will put their name forward to help him out .. I only hope you are not living in a tower block .

Its strange how these liberals all go into hiding when it comes to putting their names forward to help this poor "child" but are all too quick to say he needs help in the comfort of their warm living rooms on twitter etc

Feb 9, 2020 -- 5:25AM, Ramruma wrote:

I don't think anyone has suggested it has been a bed of roses for the child, his mother or family.However, since the perpetrator had six mental health care workers, it is probably safe to assume a pre-existing condition, unless you think he has been faking it since birth for just this moment.@wolf3011 -- so the fact this kid has survived and can open a hand now means its not as bad a crime on a moral level but if he suddenly dies the culprit transforms into a more evil character instantly?No but it is the difference between murder and not-murder. That is how it works. It is the same with knife crime, where a lot of people now survive who would have died in earlier times because of better medical care and the skill of surgeons.

It is how it works but it seems very strange that someones punishment can hinge on the skill of a surgeon etc rather than their intent to kill

BTW what exactly is " the mental health system " ? I remember 20 years ago being on anti depressants for a short time, realised they were poison and stopped taking them. If I went out and hacked the postmans head off with a rusty breadknife could I claim immunity from prosecution or mercy because I have apparently " been in the system". wolf3011

This man was living in a mental health hostel, that means he is in the system.

In the days before the 1980's he would have been detained in a psychiatric hospital.  He been diagnosed with autism.

Anyway it is clear nobody is changing their positions. So we must wait for his trial

The charge is attempted murder, and he's pleaded guilty to it.

There's only the sentencing to come.

This man had already stated his intention of pushing someone off a high place...

It this stage he should have been put in more secure accommodation to ensure he did not do this

Because he was not this young boy has life changing injuries.....I feel this a failure of the system or the council

I know nothing of the man's morals, only he had been diagnosed with Autism, so was not completely sane.

I see Dr Crippen, well he has to be detained, probably for life

The Judge will make the decision whether it is to be in a normal prison or a secure mental health establishment.

I would expect the latter myself, the judge will also comment on whether the system or council has failed the rest of us...

particularly this young boy, by ever allowing this man to be on the loose.

so you believe people that have autism " are not completely sane then " uble

He should be detained for life but obviously he wont be will he as murderers who get life sentences average around 12 years in prison. No doubt this "kid " will have the bleeding heart brigade of the autism defence meaning he probably has 6-8 years in a "unit " with a tv playstation and gets out in the not too distant future

As stated by UB in thread He targeted a Woman and Child ,perhaps there were no 18 stone rugby players about on the day.

A coward and a Bully  ...

One question Id ask of the mental health defence brigade.. nearly every serial killer/rapist known to man has suffered from a form of mental illness. Ian brady is quite rightly viewed as vermin but has been diagnosed as suffering from psychosis so by the logic of this silly argument he isnt to fully blame but has been let down by the system and it's down to his " mental health". You can't simply pick and choose who this criteria applies to , either people are responsible for their own actions and should suffer the consequences of these action or no one should be sent to prison for anything as it's down to a " mental health condition " meaning no one has responsibility for anything.

There has been an awful load of Shyte piled up in prisons since the Change in the 60s , the money spent on keeping them must be huge ..

which is why we need the death penalty brought back. If people arent comfortable with a rope and trapdoor, maybe lethal injection with some Mozart music in the background to at least bring it into the 21st century

so you believe people that have autism " are not completely sane then " uble

Autism is a brain disorder. This man was in the mental health system.

If people think that just making harder and harder punishments is going to solve the problems of our society

I think they are wrong.

Still we give our opinions on here I give mine, I stand by mine on this topic

As the vast majority of autistic people don't throw young children off balconies, I fail to see how it offers any credible mitigation/ defence. It just smacks of a society that revels in the victim culture of someone/something else always being responsible instead of people actually accepting actions have consequences and taking responsibility for their actions

"There are certainly a lot More Autistic People in the world these days"

that is the issue, right there.

Autism cases have apparently exploded in the last 15-20 years or so. I say apparently because its a complete crock.

Its the PC brigade driven nanny state at its worst - they've invented new autism diagnoses, broadened the range (the spectrum BS) massively to include all sorts of mental disorders and incapabilities. Why ?  Because its easier for the parents of mentally handicapped kids to have a nice media-friendly, socially acceptable label like autism, to deal with.

This Bravery piece of sh!t is no more autistic than you or me. Autism my @rs,e

Spot on Plat .

A pal of mine is an eminent child psychiatrist, many parents do rather demand a label for their disruptive offspring.

The attitude I was met with earlier, when I suggested that some discipline might have done him good at an early age and averted this kind of behaviour, shows that people don't realise that they can make a bad job even worse.

People are insane, I know they are.

This causes great disruption in their lives, and most people who suffer from insanity do not welcome it

Some of them are violent and do need to be detained. This man should have been.

Asking them to take responsibility is very difficult, because it has meaning to them, because they are insane.

Some can be cured but not all.

Since pushing anyone off at a great height, is almost certain to cause someone death or massive injury.

I do not understand why this man was not constrained in secure accommodation?????????????

Although I know that as well.....to save money!

meaning sb no meaning

Should be hung and have done with it,a danger to others and a liability forever if he cant be treated for the problem.

We can't hang him because (1) we do not have capital punishment, and (2) even when we did, it was for murder and this chap has not murdered anyone.

The Nazis did kill mentally defective people but I should like to think we are morally superior to Hitler, at least.

Put him in a Mainstream Prison ,lets see what his fellow inmates think about his mental illness

Killing or attempting to kill a child, is about the worse thing a human being can do

So the anger at this man is quite understandable……

Anyway it is up to the judge at his trial to decide this man's fate now

Is the man sane or not, is he evil or not....

The man himself has told people about his impulse to push people off heights and has asked to be detained in a more

secure unit. It is all right telling him to take responsibility for his own actions, but look at the result?

Who cares what he said or didnt say or grunted /didnt grunt. He pushed a child off a balcony... as his condition cant ever be treated or managed unless he is on a leash akin to a dog, what purpose is there keeping him alive in a secure unit?

Feb 9, 2020 -- 6:37PM, Ramruma wrote:

We can't hang him because (1) we do not have capital punishment, and (2) even when we did, it was for murder and this chap has not murdered anyone.The Nazis did kill mentally defective people but I should like to think we are morally superior to Hitler, at least.

All killers or the vast majority are " mentally defective " so to liken anyone wanting capital punishment for them to hitler is the type of hysterical ranting rubbish Id expect to see from someone on twitter with a GO Corbyn logo under their name.

blame others or  there is always an excuse

@wolf3011 -- he is not a killer.

This man may have been the most evil man of all time....but that is not the point


He was diagnosed with Autism which means he is not quite like the rest of us, he is not quite sane

This man tells people he has an impulse to push people off heights, which is a very dangerous thing to do

So this man was dangerous, so I cannot see how this man was ever allowed out on his own myself????????????????????

I think society should have been protected from this man and he needed protecting from himself

The concept of insanity in English law dates from 1324, not something that was thought up yesterday

Feb 9, 2020 -- 10:10PM, Ramruma wrote:

@wolf3011 -- he is not a killer.

Only by luck, he's a killer by intent and effectively this lad is close to being paralysed with no quality of life.

Feb 9, 2020 -- 11:01PM, UBLE/REGY wrote:

This man may have been the most evil man of all time....but that is not the pointHe was diagnosed with Autism which means he is not quite like the rest of us, he is not quite saneThis man tells people he has an impulse to push people off heights, which is a very dangerous thing to doSo this man was dangerous, so I cannot see how this man was ever allowed out on his own myself????????????????????I think society should have been protected from this man and he needed protecting from himself

what does " he is not quite like the rest of us " mean. We are all different on a sliding scale of aggression levels and this sort of comment trying to pigeon hole people in boxes of sane /insane is ridiculous. Who diagnosed him and so what ? There are millions of autistic people in the world - how many of them behave like this? As you have clearly never heard of the Rosenhan experiment here is a very brief summary of it - it highlights the flaws in these so called experts attempting to traverse the minefield of mental health illustrating why no two "experts " ever agree on anything.    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment

Even if one was to accept your argument of the condition being to blame rather than the person which is nonsense, the end result is he can never be cured or let out in public unsupervised so it's either a life sentence or the death penalty. Maybe he would favour the latter contrary to the former- the reality is he will be out after maybe  a decade roaming around again

Feb 9, 2020 -- 11:07PM, UBLE/REGY wrote:

The concept of insanity in English law dates from 1324, not something that was thought up yesterday

WHy you are quoting laws from the 14th century to vindicate what's sane/insane when in the 14 th century you could be burnt as a witch for having black hair or put to death for stealing a sheep I've absolutely no idea

Nobody is saying kill mentally defective people, but attempted murder (and only unbelievable luck prevented it) of a child deserves the death penalty or at the very least life incarceration.

We routinely put dangerous dogs down, and most people don't bat an eye.