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Tate Modern balcony fall boy can 'now open left hand' Sad

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Bravery, from Ealing, who pleaded guilty to attempted murder, told police he carried out the attack because he wanted to be on TV news to highlight his autism treatment.

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By:
casemoney
When: 25 Jan 20 11:35
Absolutely Dreadful all these  new Mental Diseases , ADHD  another of the Modern Disease

As for Mr Bravery I would suggest a 10 foot drop with a rope round his neck would be helpful .
By:
UBLE/REGY
When: 25 Jan 20 15:41
I am glad he seems to be getting betterHappy

I would have thought Mr Bravery would have obtained more sympathy if he threw himself off the balcony

than pushing a young boy offConfused

He has lost any possible sympathy he might had had....although I assume he was passed sane enough to be free

Best not to make that mistake again...not for very very long time, if ever
By:
dustybin
When: 25 Jan 20 16:06
hopefully they prescribe this guy a feather with which to take that stupid facial fluff off with
By:
Foinavon
When: 25 Jan 20 16:10
Looks quite a heavy chap, casemoney, three foot would suffice.
By:
casemoney
When: 26 Jan 20 01:46
LOL foin , the Poor lad and his family ,HTF could you cope with watching that lump of shyte throwing your child off a balcony .
By:
Ramruma
When: 26 Jan 20 07:01
At risk of angering the string 'em up brigade, surely the real questions are how an obvious fruitloop was free to wander the streets (and remember he is in Broadmoor now) and how we can stop similar types being released to care in the community in future.
By:
casemoney
When: 26 Jan 20 15:47
Not sure he has been Locked up , A sick individual who will Cost the Tax payers Millions .

This was premeditated attempted Murder , by an Evil basterd ,should be one outcome but sadly we lost that option years ago ..

This animal has no place in Society ,No doubt the rehabilitation mob will be out in force ...

Will be out in the Community again , Just hope its no where near your manor .......
By:
Ramruma
When: 26 Jan 20 18:15
Sentencing is next month but he is remanded in Broadmoor (see link in OP). I'm not sure there is a direct route from Broadmoor to Care in the Community.

And come to think of it, when did we hang people for *attempted* murder?
By:
Jack Hacksaw
When: 27 Jan 20 13:10
Probably safer to hang people for attempted murder.

Always a risk they spend years inside pondering their ineptitude and then have another go on release.
By:
Foinavon
When: 27 Jan 20 13:50
how we can stop similar types being released to care in the community in future.

Simple, string 'em up.
By:
UBLE/REGY
When: 27 Jan 20 14:16
We do not have the death sentence do we?

The question with this man is whether he knew what he was doing was wrong.

If he did Prison for life/ or a very long time, else if he can prove he did not know this, Broadmoor for life.
By:
casemoney
When: 07 Feb 20 00:32
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51389881

Seems a lot of people Knew his Intentions , But of course we had the Old Luvvies involved ...

The teenager who threw a six-year-old boy from the tenth floor of the Tate Modern in London had spoken about plans to push someone off a high building about a year earlier.

"At the time of the attack Bravery, who has AUTISM ,poor Jonti , was in the care of Hammersmith and Fulham Council. He lived in a flat in Northolt, west London, with round-the-clock care."

A raving evil fooker ,There will be more history , As stated a 10 foot drop on the end of a rope would be a swift Resolution .
By:
UBLE/REGY
When: 07 Feb 20 00:46
Very understandable feelings case

But it appears he was under the mental health system, but seems not to have been recognised as dangerous...?????????

He should always have been confined....he will now I expect, until death or very old age with prisoners

of similar ilk...it will not be a holiday believe me, and neither should it


I hope the French boy continues his recovery, very very sadSad
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 07 Feb 20 10:28
Extradite Jonty Bravery to a French prison.
By:
Injera
When: 07 Feb 20 20:59
Blamed on austerity by 2 luvvies on GMB. One of whom is Nihal Arthurnayake who presents on radio 5.

Ian Dale walked off in disgust!

https://youtu.be/7T1eUHPft4g
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 07 Feb 20 21:14
Supposed to be impartial etc.

Clearly the chap is mentally ill and the leftist state has put his welfare above the safety of the general public. Not sure why their is a court case and lessons will be learned.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 07 Feb 20 21:49
Six special carers being paid to look after him due to his condition, and they let him out by himself to do this.

Autism or not, a few damn good hidings when he was a child might have gone a long way towards teaching him right from wrong.
By:
casemoney
When: 07 Feb 20 22:17
6 people looking after it and they Blame Austerity , 1.01 the luvvie parents insisting on care in the Community , as long as not by them ..
By:
casemoney
When: 07 Feb 20 22:18
You wouldn't want that head looking over your garden fence .
By:
Capt__F
When: 07 Feb 20 22:24
Autism or not, a few damn good hidings when he was a child might have gone a long way towards teaching him right from wrong.


and your experience of Autistic children is what ?

zero at a guess
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 07 Feb 20 23:18
One of my childhood friends was autistic, sure he had to have extra attention, but was still brought up like the rest of us to know right from wrong.
I've known several others.

What's your experience of autism Capt_F?  Just because you've watched Rain Man a couple of times doesn't make you an expert.
By:
Capt__F
When: 07 Feb 20 23:26
My 4th son is servely Autistic
By:
Capt__F
When: 07 Feb 20 23:27
I have watched you for several years

you are not a decent person
By:
blackbarn
When: 07 Feb 20 23:28
Crippen, No one could defend the sad events at Tate Modern BUT FFS - you'll have to do far better than that.  What is this....A Parody of "some of my best friends are/were autistic!!!!

Without wishing to second guess Capt F's objection to your post, I'd bet a fortune that his objection was your "a few damn good hidings when he was a child might have gone a long way towards teaching him right from wrong". 

Why do you continue to demonstrate ignorance on subjects you know little or nothing about.
By:
casemoney
When: 07 Feb 20 23:48
There are certainly a lot More Autistic People in the world these days , Fortunately they are not Maniacs

as stated I think we may find there is little bit more to this Character than being autistic .

Infact would the Autism Experts on here explain what it is ?? Because there are not many people who can .
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 08 Feb 20 00:03
There you go, and they wonder why people like the one in question threw a child off an eleventh floor balcony.
And that's after he'd already threatened to do something similar.
I bet he's never been reprimanded for doing anything wrong in his life.

They haven't got a clue.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 08 Feb 20 00:08
you are not a decent person

All I can say to that Capt_F, is that I don't come on here calling people names over their opinions like you seem to.

Blackbarn isn't much better either with this little beauty:

What is this....A Parody of "some of my best friends are/were autistic!!!!

Capt asked me a question and so I answered it. Is that too difficult for blackbarn to understand?
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 08 Feb 20 00:13
Why do you continue to demonstrate ignorance on subjects you know little or nothing about.

While you blackbarn, show complete ignorance over something you only read 10 minutes ago.
By:
blackbarn
When: 08 Feb 20 00:14
casemoney... You said..

"There are certainly a lot More Autistic People in the world these days" - Is this true? Population growth would suggest that is is.

"Fortunately they are not Maniacs" - This is an irrational comment. What evidence is there, that more or less autistics are "maniacs"?

"as stated I think we may find there is little bit more to this Character than being autistic" - You may be right and this may well come out.

"In fact would the Autism Experts on here explain what it is ?? Because there are not many people who can".
What are you looking for here. I doubt that there are autism experts on here BUT you've already made up you mind anyway, so what is the point? Here are your opinions so far...

"You wouldn't want that head looking over your garden fence"
"Seems a lot of people Knew his Intentions , But of course we had the Old Luvvies involved"
"A raving evil fooker ,There will be more history , As stated a 10 foot drop on the end of a rope would be a swift Resolution.
"This was premeditated attempted Murder by an Evil basterd ,should be one outcome but sadly we lost that option years ago"
"This animal has no place in Society ,No doubt the rehabilitation mob will be out in force"













You've said........

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By:
blackbarn
When: 08 Feb 20 00:23
Crippen - I stand by my post TO YOU of 23.28.  If you want to debate that. Tell me when. I will even try to explain what parody means. x
By:
Capt__F
When: 08 Feb 20 00:24
Cripen

how many disabled children do you have ?

life changes when you responsible for a disabled child.

you pontificate about violence to a young person solve all

you know zero

I didn't name call you I made an observation

I was right

Karma
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 08 Feb 20 10:19
The experts did it their way.
Six people looking after him and they let him out on his own.
He'd already threatened to do something similar.

He's now ready to be sentenced for attempted murder.
And a small child has been horribly injured and is maimed for the rest of its life.

Lord save us from the experts.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 08 Feb 20 10:23
blackbarn why don't you try addressing the issue yourself, instead of looking for something in the posts of others that you can disagree with?

Otherwise keep your beak out.
By:
Sica Dan
When: 08 Feb 20 10:35
Now that we are out of the EU hanging could be brought back but the vast majority
of MPs would never vote for it.
By:
Injera
When: 08 Feb 20 10:47
Care in the Community started under Maggie I believe. It’s been a disaster.

A friend of mine was under supervision and heavily medicated. He stated a desire to be independent. His family objected. 6 experts went with the wishes of the patient.

He didn’t administer his drugs and flipped. Broke into a house, stole car keys and the car. Drove 250 miles without a licence or insurance. Could have killed himself and others but mercifully didn’t.

Taken back into care and was looked after.

Nothing’s really changed...and we wonder why these tragedies occur. Assylums are needed.
By:
UBLE/REGY
When: 08 Feb 20 12:25
The reason we have care in the community is that we closed a lot of mental institutions to save money....

This man had already been diagnosed with autism, he continually told people he wanted to push people off a high building,

which does not seem too sane to me either...and makes him potentially dangerous

If one accepts his insanity, he should have been detained in a secure unit, not allowed out


If people think he is sane one would think or hope he will go to prison for a very long time if not for life

I so wish he had had not pushed that six year old boy off the balcony
By:
The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE
When: 08 Feb 20 13:39
Capital punishment was abolished in Australia in the early 70s although I think the last person to actually be executed was in 1959. A big selling point was "don't worry no murderous maniacs will be allowed out." Well that turned out to be a load of bollocks. Sentences for murder keep getting smaller and smaller. Some murderers are out after 7 years.
By:
Injera
When: 08 Feb 20 14:09
Taxpayers gave an estimated £150,000 a year to provide care for the troubled teenager who pushed a six-year-old boy from the top of the Tate Modern, it emerged yesterday.

But the Mail has seen records suggesting that £150,000 a year was spent on Bravery’s round-the-clock care. He had a team of up to six carers and was housed by Hammersmith and Fulham Council in a private two-bedroom flat where the rent was about £650 a month.
Bravery’s care was outsourced to a private firm, Spencer and Arlington. It meant he had two carers all day and all night, working in shifts.

Grace Blakeley, an economics commentator for New Statesman magazine, told ITV’s Good Morning Britain: ‘This is all because of the way in which the council has to cut things out. Very, very vulnerable children with severe mental health problems just don’t get provided for. It’s another story you can trace back to austerity.’

Another guest, BBC Radio 5 Live presenter Nihal Arthanayake, added: ‘He went out on his own presumably because there wasn’t somebody who could accompany him. There wasn’t the resources.’

Mr Dale angrily told them: ‘Utter, utter rubbish. It had nothing to do with cuts – it’s to do with people doing the sensible thing... you don’t need to have thousands of pounds to be sensible.’


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7980371/How-taxpayers-forked-150-000-year-care-mentally-ill-Tate-pusher.html
By:
UBLE/REGY
When: 08 Feb 20 14:33
More money needs to be allocated by GOVERNMENT for mental health care

Instead of leaving councils to make impossible decisions

!Angryn hindsight clearly this man should have been detained somewhere.
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