Obesity Crisis

How come the junk food ads are full of thin athletes?

At least be a little bit realistic.

marketing paid to sell , not care

same for 60 years , whatever they want to sell they paint with glamour

been same since Marlborough man

it is alright for you lot but what do I do with my garage full of bully beef tins and lager??  All put aside for the brexit crisis

leave them be moisok , be another crisis along shortly

Sell your bully beef and lager to all the poor immigrants who will be flooding over here now Boris has just scrapped the planned salary limit for immigration after Brexit. (Sorry Leave voters who wanted to limit immigration; you've been done up like (u) kippers!)

Boris Johnson will scrap a £30,000 minimum salary threshold for immigrants arriving after Brexit under his plans for an Australian-style points system.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-lifts-30k-wage-barrier-on-immigrants-ghzvkx68r

You knew fatties were in trouble when the all-encompassing term "fat wap" became obsolete.

Tax salt, sugar, and oil(the cooking types). Or ban salt and sugar.

I wonder how that will change people's eating habits.

brains hard wired to salt , sugar , fat

sadly its addiction , illness

I Love de Cake

I have studied nutrition to post graduate level and while too much salt is a problem, too little can kill. Why do you think that animals will travel a hundred miles to a salt lick or farm animals will bite each other to get blood if deprived of salt? It is instinctive for them and they would die a lingering death without any. Where do you think that the salt in our blood comes from?
Sugar is a form of energy like starch but it is more easily available after ingestion so boosts sugar in the blood very quickly which is less healthy.

They've managed to demonised salt, yet like sageform says it's vital that we get enough.
They tell us the problem with eating a lot of salt is that it can raise blood pressure, but by how much?
Where are the figures to prove it? I can't find any.

By only a small amount could be the answer.

If you have high blood pressure and reduce your salt intake alone, your blood pressure is not going to come tumbling down.

Id take all this nonesence about salt intake with the proverbial pinch.

Jan 23, 2020 -- 10:59AM, Dr Crippen wrote:

They've managed to demonised salt, yet like sageform says it's vital that we get enough.They tell us the problem with eating a lot of salt is that it can raise blood pressure, but by how much? Where are the figures to prove it? I can't find any.By only a small amount could be the answer.If you have high blood pressure and reduce your salt intake alone, your blood pressure is not going to come tumbling down.Id take all this nonesence about salt intake with the proverbial pinch.

https://scholar.google.de/scholar?q=blood+pressure+salt&hl=de&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart

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salt in itself is essential to the body

not the levels most consume though in fast food , tinned food , ready meals etc

same with fats and sugar , moderation

Of course, I agree with the last post but when did you last hear a nutritionist or reporter mention in the media that a small amount of salt is essential? Many people are very gullible and could easily seek out salt free foods.

Diet is only one factor.  The much more significant cause of obesity is lifestyle & exercise (or lack of it).
If you exercise enough, you can be a lot more relaxed about what you eat.

As someone about said, kids used to play outside all the time.  Walk to school, spend hours on their bikes.  Seriously, when was the last time you saw a group of kids in an impromptu game of footie, with jumpers for goalposts etc?  I know that sounds an almost comically aged comment (I'm in my 40's), but there's plenty of truth behind it, and I guess most on here grew up with a fairly active lifestyle.  Video games, computers, hysteria over child abductions and so on, have contributed to a generation stuck indoors.  And if you don't have a culture of being active, you're less likely to take it up as you get older.

Also, facilities are dreadful in the UK, unless you can afford to pay for them.  Go to most European cities and parks and open spaces are set up for activity.  Safe bike lanes, exercise equipment in parks, clean and well lit public areas for football/basketball - every Spanish town and village has a communal area that's floodlit where kids play footie and basketball into the late hours.
My local swimming pool is £5 a visit.  In Australia you pay about 50p.  A game of squash at the council leisure centre near me is about £15 for 45 minutes.  I travel a lot to France, Italy, Switzerland, Germany and it's amazing how many old people are really active, walking in the hills and mountains etc.  Towns aren't full of fat people like they are in the UK.  It's a staggering difference.

My missus is a physio at the local hospital.  She despairs at the state people get themselves into.  80-90% of the patients she sees are there due to bad lifestyle choices.  That includes stroke patients, heart conditions, cancers - all caused by avoidable contributary factor and a lifetime of very little exercise.  Most back and knee pain is caused by the fact that there isn't enough muscle in the legs to take the weight above it.

Not sure what the answer is, but there is an obligation on the government to make it easier to life more healthily ( the long term benefits outweigh the short term costs surely?) and also a duty of care people have to take responsibility for themselves.
The end result of not doing so is to look like the USA.  We have been warned!!

i think probably salt is the least dangerous and most folk get enough whatever there diet

fat and sugar can kill tho so i imagine that's why they dominate

@sageform
Aren't natural foods rich enough in both salt and sugar to satisfy the body's needs? I don't think anyone is saying salt is bad. it is clear anything taken in moderation will have its benefits and any dangers can easily be eliminated with the daily exercise already a part of our day to day routine. But surely salt sugar and oils are abused by today's food industry?

I just had 10 biscuits with my coffee for breakfast. That is 25g of sugar. 66% of the daily dose recommended by American Heart Association. So where is my day going to go from here? And I haven't bought sugar and salt in years for this very reason.

that's exactly it danno lifestyle changes over last 30 years , i was never indoors whatever weather and most other kids were same

we import everything American with open arms so shouldn't be surprised when we get like America regarding obecity and violence , kfc , macdonald , pizza outlets , etc etc 

Many studies have tried to link poor diet with poor behaviour i believe there is a lot in that

and depression , todays society leaves so many folk in a bad position , turning to sugary , fatty foods is a mild high for them , but only makes them worse long term , as vicious a circle as you will get health wise

If you are a serious sportsman/woman or have a job that causes you to lose a lot of sweat, you do need quite a lot of salt to replace it. Professionals are often given salt tablets after a match or training. It is the other side of the argument that seems hard to get people to listen to. If energy in equals energy out over a 7 day period, your weight will stay more or less the same apart from maybe water intake.

If sugar and fat are bad boys, then tax them more.

Simple.

Jan 23, 2020 -- 12:52PM, sageform wrote:

If you are a serious sportsman/woman or have a job that causes you to lose a lot of sweat, you do need quite a lot of salt to replace it. Professionals are often given salt tablets after a match or training. It is the other side of the argument that seems hard to get people to listen to. If energy in equals energy out over a 7 day period, your weight will stay more or less the same apart from maybe water intake.

You are talking about extremes. But does that really justify the amount of sugar and salt in today's food?

Excellent suggestions here; let's keep on increasing the taxes, like we don't pay enough already. Whilst looking after yourself is indeed important, no amount of taxes is going to change the mindset of those that choose to take in the extra doses, as proven with drug addicts, which often is paid for out of rent, or crime even.

and penalise everyone who includes those things in a balanced diet?

VAT hasn't changed anything and you want to add more tax?

The sugar salt and fat are not the bad boys, it's the lazy fcukers who won't exercise, won't cook proper non processed meals, smoke drink too much and can't pass a takeaway 3 times a week.

Eat a Banana and go to the gym, no sympathy whatsoever.

What's the problem with half the country being obese? or 75% of it?

Yep.  A comprehensive review of VAT.  It is not fit for purpose any more.

Tax the bad stuff and cut tax on the rest.

Net result, same tax take, fewer fatties.

Now you're talking sense

WHen I suggest it being taxed, I mean a way to discourage the manufacturers from using them. I know at the end of the day they are just going to transfer that cost to the consumer but there has to be a way to stop people from putting 25g/100g of sugar in a biscuit. A regulation or something.

I cut down from 2 sugars to 1 sugar in coffee lately and I'm pushing myself further still. It's quite amazing how easily and quickly one adapts.

Aspro i went from 2 to none in my coffee years ago by decreasing gradually over just two weeks.I cant stand sugar on things now, i also gave up cans of minerals, i'll treat myself to a coke with a curry once in 3 months max.

I f you can drink coffee with no sugar for the first cup of the day you don't much notice thereafter.

First class of the day at all schools should be exercise and nutritional advice, bringing obesity down and saving the NHS a bundle over a life.

Two weeks!!! I'm not sure I could do it that quickly; that's impressive.

Intent dear boy, intent.........

Thing about suger is the first intake does the damage as it leaves you with cravings you mostly wont be aware of for the rest of the day for more sugar and conversely if you take none in the morning the desire for sweet things dissipates quickly and permanently.

I don't put any sugar in my coffee. But then I consume something with it that is usually just sugar. Mostly honey on bread or like today, biscuits.

I never pay any attention to b.m.i. readings personally, last time I checked mine was 28 which puts me in the overweight bracket and that is simply not the case.

food health needs to be really pushed in schools from early age

kids need to be shown dangers , to late for current generation but government need to think of future or uk will have a workforce who are unfit and sick constantly

health should be a subject like English or maths

Jan 23, 2020 -- 1:27PM, peckerdunne wrote:

First class of the day at all schools should be exercise and nutritional advice, bringing obesity down and saving the NHS a bundle over a life.

Extreme situations call for extreme measures.  I think the current state of the physical health of the nation qualifies as extreme.

As it stands I think that half an hour a week is the amount of time given over to PE on the national curriculum in schools.  I would propose to make it 1 hour a day.  Seriously.
I don't mean beasting kids around a cross country course.  But some sort of structured exercise, whether it's ball games, skipping, runnings, biking, gym, swimming, or whatever.

Just as important as science and maths and geography and history.   Being fit and healthy isn't about living longer; it's about living better.  It's incredible what being fit opens up throughout your lifetime; I say this as someone who has been actively involve in sport all my life.

definitely danno

fitness and general health dictate achievement and wellbeing through life

Its truly incredible the seismic diff in mental and physical health that can be achieved through a proper diet

if your on a diet of fizzy juice , macdonals , convenience food etc your very likely to be depressed and under achieve , you will have no motivation , energy , outlook etc and on a downward spiral that is only relieved by getting that fast food fix

One of the problems with taking on this advice later in life is that most of the damage has already been done and as of today, cannot be undone (blocked arteries etc). The school is definitely the place to start.

You've got too many interested parties against healthy living.  Thank of the advertising budgets of these lot...And, its a very easy sell.

Cookery books and programmes
Fast foot outlets
Supermarkets
Delivery companies
Diet companies
Gym companies
Clothing companies (you think clothing companies want us to stay the same size)

so the cycle continues...

I should thank edy for those links.

The ones I read say about the same, that reducing salt will lower blood pressure by 3.6 - 5.2 mm hg which is modest.
And backs this what I wrote earlier.

''By only a small amount could be the answer.
If you have high blood pressure and reduce your salt intake alone, your blood pressure is not going to come tumbling down.''

Many of these studies are not as scientific as one might imagine them to be.
Switching from a high salt to a low salt diet will eliminate a lot of other things in the diet with could affect blood pressure.
Weight loss during the study as well will affect BP.
Also who took the readings, where they done at home, at a clinic one a day? Stuff like that.

I wouldn't trust BP readings taken by many doctors let alone a nurse.
They're always significantly higher than readings taken at home.

That's because you always get all giddy and nervous when the doctors and nurses take your blood pressure.

That's not always the case edy.

You only get giddy sometimes?

They call that white coat syndrome.

Jack Hacksaw 23 Jan 20 16:01   



You've got too many interested parties against healthy living.  Thank of the advertising budgets of these lot...And, its a very easy sell.

Cookery books and programmes
Fast foot outlets
Supermarkets
Delivery companies
Diet companies
Gym companies
Clothing companies (you think clothing companies want us to stay the same size)

so the cycle continues...


100 % , American heart association list tonnes of recipes with meat , and salmon which is a highly toxic foodstuff imo , sponsored by meat industry tho what chance do folk have

First class of the day at all schools should be exercise and nutritional advice,

But who decides what the best nutritional advice is? 

Conventional medical advice will not protect you from heart disease.

I don't believe exercise leads to weight loss. Can do in the short term but then the body adjusts and you have to exercise for longer and so on.. I know people who have very physical jobs who are obese.

Processed food is probably the enemy. Then after a generation or 2 of fatties you'll get more fatties genetically. Not sure how that cycle can be broken???? Can it??

I wouldn't trust BP readings taken by many doctors let alone a nurse.
They're always significantly higher than readings taken at home

I wouldn't say significantly, but they are almost always higher than my home readings. Maybe it is the white coat syndrome.

If you read the instructions that came with the kit, you'll know what I mean.
No wonder everybody has got high blood pressure, the incompetence in health professions regarding this is startling.

Here's some more information on how to do it correctly.

https://www.watercures.org/reading-blood-pressure.html

With regard to generational obesity, it is not just genetic, it is also more straightforward and immediate.

Fat parents create fat kids.  Due to various reasons, simple bad diet within the family, eating at fast food places, fat parents
are less likely to go for walks with their kids, less likely to encourage them in sport and activities...etc..

Saddest part of it is fat parents (usually mothers) causing their kids to be fat so their own fatness becomes normalised.

If you want to learn something, and are eligible, then take the first two courses (or more if necessary):

https://www.xperthealth.org.uk/

It's an eyeopener.

I think you are right about processed food, Injera.

When I become PM, processed food will also be targeted as part of my new VAT regime.

Careful, you'll be labelled as a Vattist..

A busy life coupled with a low income or an affluent family will more likely lead to obesity for adults and their children esp if they are couch potatoes or electronic games/mobile addicts; obesity is the scourge of modern society.

everywhere you go now there is vending units in shop centres for kids to grab a bag of sweets , mums want peace to shop , the cycle continues

supermarkets , most of the offers are unhealthy foods , crisps , cheese , tins , ready made sauces etc

for most its impossible to avoid

I can't see any quick answer to it.

If people eat across the full range of food until they're satisfied, they're going to get fat.

And that's what most people do, they've got this idea that if they overindulge they can soon burn it off which is a myth.

cheese effects same receptors in brain heroin does

Food outlets have long known this

next time your passing a menu note the amount of foods with cheese , sure fire way to attract custom and keep them addicted

I certainly agree with that hello.

Must be why I like cheese so much

Rarely miss a day without it.

could be mate , look into it

https://en-gb.facebook.com/pages/category/Community/Cheese-Addiction-Support-Group-693455980832100/


this is a cheese addiction group , you wont be judged

I bet it's been over three years since I tasted cheese.

I used to love it - matured cheddar.
And going down the pub to have pints of bitter with  mouse trap cobs and onion.

Then driving home drunk.

I'll freely admit it. I was a superb drink-driver.

Hardly ever hit a thing.

hello - thanks!!

Just hope there's noone there who knows me..

no worries

been there mate , started out a little bit on toast before I knew it was up to a kilo a week

hid it from my family but with help from cheese anonymous I got there tho

Where giving up cheese is concerned, you have to decide whether you're a man or a mouse.

why give up cheese??
I'd prefer to die

Jan 23, 2020 -- 4:48PM, Injera wrote:

I don't believe exercise leads to weight loss. Can do in the short term but then the body adjusts and you have to exercise for longer and so on.. I know people who have very physical jobs who are obese.Processed food is probably the enemy. Then after a generation or 2 of fatties you'll get more fatties genetically. Not sure how that cycle can be broken???? Can it??

Yeh but you can be overweight and fit
I do 50-70k walking a week but also eat 4-5k calories a day
All my readings are excellent but carry a bit of timber in case I get stuck on a desert island sometime
I don't want to live a long life anyway, pìssing and shìtting myself in a old folk's home, being beaten and tortured by some scumbag carer!

You can stay slim relatively easily nowadays, so many low fat options and diets available.
I eat to live though, rather that live to eat.
You see some of the diets, regimes some people put themselves through, they can't be happy

I don't want to live a long life anyway, pìssing and shìtting myself in a old folk's home, being beaten and tortured by some scumbag carer!
You watch too much bestgore.

Jan 23, 2020 -- 10:53PM, jucel69 wrote:

Jan 23, 2020 --  4:48PM, Injera wrote:I don't believe exercise leads to weight loss. Can do in the short term but then the body adjusts and you have to exercise for longer and so on.. I know people who have very physical jobs who are obese.Processed food is probably the enemy. Then after a generation or 2 of fatties you'll get more fatties genetically. Not sure how that cycle can be broken???? Can it??Yeh but you can be overweight and fitI do 50-70k walking a week but also eat 4-5k calories a dayAll my readings are excellent but carry a bit of timber in case I get stuck on a desert island sometimeI don't want to live a long life anyway, pìssing and shìtting myself in a old folk's home, being beaten and tortured by some scumbag carer!

VR is coming. You might indeed be peeing and pooing yourself in an old folk's home, but you'll be thinking you are peeing and pooing on yourself while doing all the most awesome things in the most amazing places.

The aim is not so much to extend life, but more to enjoy it pain free for as long as possible.

Look at the Queen; well into her nineties, and still knocking a round off three times a week with one of her footmen I'll bet. 

I don't know so much about Philip, he looks like he's decomposing before he even snuffs it.

Low fat options are such a con though. Skim the cream off milk and sell the milk for the same price and then sell the cream for a much higher price.
A gift for dairy companies and supermarkets. Just drink less of it! I also continue to eat butter. The vegetable spreads taste so awful that I prefer bread and jam without any spread and have butter on a bread roll.

Imagine if the government said to you that as soon as you hit 18 you'll get a free car.  But it's the only car you'll ever be able to have for your entire life.  What would you do?  You'd take damned good care of it.  Clean it, drive it sensibly, put the right fuel and oil in, service it regularly and make sure that it was in good working order at all times.  In other words, you'd invest in it to make it last.

Now have a think about how people treat their bodies.

And then some uninsured twât writes off your car after a few months!
Doesn't matter how fit you are when the big C comes knocking or many many other diseases, accidents.
I'm definitely a live for today sort of person, fùck the future

The health gurus advise us to eat a balanced diet to include meat, fish, dairy, whole grains, nuts, fruit and veg.

Most people eat all those things, and most people suffer chronic illness after middle age.

High blood pressure, heart disease, high cholesterol, S2 diabetes, gout, and many more common ailments are all all present in those who eat a balanced diet.
Since when did a balanced diet protect us from any of the above?

Keep buying the food is the message, and when it makes them sick we'll keep them alive with drugs.

Whilst I accept that the average age appears to have stabilised, history has shown that it has steadily grown through the ages, yet today we have threads such as this. Funny that

And yes Dr C. Drugs have helped.

Life is about doing what you want to do in order to a) maximise your income up to a point and b) enjoy your leisure time. I grew up on a farm and was expected to work from the age of 11. I was a student from age 18 until 24, then 4 years mainly in an office but also doing a lot of driving. Then 28 years as a farmer doing a lot of heavy lifting in cold and wet conditions but also a serious middle distance athlete up to age 42 when my back decided it had enough abuse. I still do a lot of walking and bird watching but as anyone on here knows, I am in front of a computer and a TV most afternoons. At 75 I have a lot of arthritis but otherwise I am as fit as most for my age. I don't intend to change much about my diet or exercise unless forced to.

So, in front of your computer sageform, do you still do bird watching?

Quality over quantity.

We (I) can often forget to live....

Sounds like an interesting if tough life sage.

I saw a chiro for over a year. Transformational if expensive.

Fats aren't the problem (in moderation that is) it's carbs that are.

And processed foods such as ready meals.

I'd play football from mid-afternoon to dusk running and chasing after a ball, but I'd not run even a short marathon eg less than 3 miles, why? Because I saw little point (even in school) pounding the road tarmac or surface floors would be good for my limbs. I do not swim as I cannot swim (tried) either, but I do eat a balanced diet (brought up that way) and walk daily even now. Luckily I do not have a sweet tooth or indulged in excessive eating - it's in the family genes.

I think some of us are destined or susceptible to certain illnesses regardless of diet, but a balanced diet is essential towards a better health in the future. So far I've been pretty lucky (apart from I wear glasses), but I dread living much longer or the day when I'm unable to live independently or fend for myself.

Salt (a key constituent for high blond pressure), sugar and fatty fried foods are the key components for obesity, I think.

Fatty fried foods depend on what they're fried in. Vegetable oil or sunflower oil are the worst but unfortunately are used the most.

^^
I thought lard is the daddy of it.

Lard is fine compared to the two I gave.

Being fat used to be a sign of wealth.

'At the turn of the 20th century, actress Lillian Russell — tipping the scale at 200 pounds — was a reigning sex symbol, with her photos displayed in many newspapers.'

'Until the early 1900’s, for a woman to have extra weight on her body was a symbol of beauty and fertility.  For men, weight meant power.'

https://www.sermo.com/history-obesity-renaissance-1910/

I did not know lard is a better "fat" than veggie or sunflower oil.

"Being fat used to be a sign of wealth". Ya, in the old days, and even now in the African continent or those of African heritage here.

The modern day obesity is almost entirely convenient food induced, and lack of exercise or over indulgence and lack of application except orally.

I am in trouble with the forum then.  A pint of london pride, cheese and onion with four slices of allisons wholemeal.  Will I be banned?

Allinson Wholemeal (Batch Baked) is yummy with jam or cheese or slightly salted crisp as filling. I do not do vino.

Aspro, mostly the feathered variety but the female form is an art form My wife and I watched the local Westhay Starling murmurations this evening which is still a marvel after living close to it for 20 years. We are spoilt living within 3 miles of 4 National nature reserves and only 10 miles from the Severn estuary.

sage   you should be placed in the river and allowed to 'float' for the privilege of living there  - how very dare you - taunting us all with that post

all the way up it is marvelous  - my preference is towards bridgnorth etc 

all the best

We eat until we're full.
And anything the body can't burn it stores for the time when there's no food about.
That time never comes. So we have to fall back on our intelligence to regulate the amounts we eat if we're not to get fat and useless.

This is the problem.

A function that nature gave us to extend our lives, is causing many people to live shorter lives.

Only the greedy and mentality compromised ones - the majority are ok, glad to say.

moisok, I can't swim and probably would not float either. The Levels are quite a contrast to the south Cotswolds where I spent most of my life. It is 3 degrees C warmer here on average.

guy called me fat but hey I'm obese

The odd thing is, people who are overweight after middle age usually look healthier in the face than people of comparable age who are not overweight. The fat smoothes out their wrinkles and they generally look a more robust.

We often hear comments like ''I saw so and so the other day - he does look well for his age.''

Then you discover he takes tablets for blood pressure, diabetes and high cholesterol, and has already had a heart bypass operation.
The bloke's knocking on death's door, ''but he does look well for his age.''

He'll look even better laid out in his coffin after he's been embalmed.