British gangbang girl in Cyprus

Where were the guys from she accused?

They don't know she's innocent, they wanted a fair trial, the Israels that allegedly raped her were let go to fly back to Israel by the cypriots. Seems you presume she was guilty?

What her name?

Wants to be a police officer

Going on luv
Reveal all

Women are in a very vulnerable position , so are men
What a world we live in , don’t trust anyone

Stewarts rise

I’m presuming nothing, I’m asking how can those women outside court know she;s innocent?
They arn’t there for a fair trial, they are ‘anti rape’

What I can’t get my head around is how all those women chanting outside the court along with women’s’ lib around the planet and even the British foreign office can possibly know she’s innocent?

Possibly from the medical evidence that indicated she had been raped?

What kind of evidence is that then?
Anything other than an innocent verdict wouldn’t be enough for those with the banners and stitched lips outside of court
How can they possibly know, she didn’t give consent and then was guilty of wasting police time?

They arn’t there for a fair trial, they are ‘anti rape’

By implication are you pro rape dustybin?

I see the case against the film producer is now considered a trial on the *metoo movement.
That in itself is saying anything other than guilty isn’t acceptable

That’s the wording they chose not me

so you are not anti rape?

Have you been following any of this?

Do you really believe this girl asked 12 boys to come and gang bang her?

I’m ambivalent based on not knowing what happened, that’s for the court to determine.
Telling the court what the outcome needs to be doesn’t sound much like justice to me

You are not ambivalent dusty you are ignorant and even worse shooting your mouth off about things you do not know about and that makes you stupid!

How so?
The assumption by all the parties involved are that they know the girl was raped.
How can they know?

How is asking a question based on logic ‘shooting my mouth off’?

I’m ambivalent based on not knowing what happened, that’s for the court to determine.

The fact you title your posting 'gangbang' as opposed to 'gang rape' suggests otherwise.

Mere colloquialism.

I made it quite clear I am being objective, I was asking why others were not.

Its a fair question and the reason I don't understand rape accusations and trials, especially ones that come out years after they happened. It is impossible to prove whether the woman just framed the man or not. Proof of sex is basically proof of rape. And i'm surprised with all the feminism stuff around, rape accusations aren't a norm. You have sex with someone with consent, then claim it was rape, there's no way out for the man, right?

Just saying in general, not for this particular case where its hard to see how it could be with consent.

it is difficult to prove but i suspect this case has become very high profile because its looks like she wasnt treated well legally from the start by the police and then the judge

I’ve seen the case mentioned repeatedly from differing news aggregates and each one has shaped the story around a corrupt judicial system and innocent girl.

I even read a brief extract yesterday about an interview with one of the boys who seemingly has the audacity to say he will pursue her for deformation when she returns.
The article said hey had no consideration about her situation’
Well he wouldn’t if he believes he is falsely accused of rape.

People shouldn't go to court in a country they don't live in. Legal systems don't work the same everywhere. But if you accuse someone of something, you have to think about how you will prove it before you accuse them. Otherwise you're asking for trouble.

A court in Cyprus is never wasting its time taking on citizens of another country in a rape accusation from a citizen of another country.

you mean they will make it look what is better for cyprus rather than individual justice

Do you really believe this girl asked 12 boys to come and gang bang her?

That's a very compelling piece of evidence that she was raped, what teenage girl would consent to 12 men penetrating her?

None, unless they were 'in the business', dusty must have been watching too many films.

Jan 7, 2020 -- 12:38PM, GAZO wrote:

you mean they will make it look what is better for cyprus rather than individual justice

I don't see Cyprus being able to extradite israeli citizens to try them in court. If the girl thinks she was treated unfairly by both the police and the court, it won't take a very bright lawyer to use the same argument to refuse to present his clients in court.

probally not but isnt this case about the cyprus police and judge pushing for no trial from the start for some reason despite evidence that she could or was raped

Consent or not number 12 (if there was such a thing) must have grown up in a swamp

As he delivered the verdict, Judge Papathanasiou said: "The defendant gave police a false rape claim, while having full knowledge that this was a lie.

"During her testimony, the defendant did not make a good impression, she did not tell the truth, and tried to mislead the court."

He added "there was no rape or violence" and police had thoroughly investigated, "making all necessary arrests."

The judge said his decision was backed up by video evidence showing her having consensual sex.

"The reason why she initially gave false statements was because she realised that she was being recorded while she was having sexual intercourse and so she was placed in a difficult position and felt embarrassed.

"She then apologised saying she had made a mistake by filing a false statement."

How does one find out if the judge is making this stuff up?

She is on video having sex right before the alleged rape happened. They say the proof of rape was dismissed by court. But how do you prove a woman was penetrated by 12 people and not one or two? Is that possible?

Grim all round

dustybin    07 Jan 20 11:12 
Stewarts rise

I’m presuming nothing, I’m asking how can those women outside court know she;s innocent?
They arn’t there for a fair trial, they are ‘anti rape’


Don't you agree with that sentiment ?

The judge dismissed, and therefore heard none of the case for the defence

Four things that I find deeply worrying and extremely difficult to comprehend or accept given the accused is only 19 years old and a Uni undergraduate:-

1) no sexual history of the 19yr old made public to support the charge against her?
2) the number of men involved?
3) the men were allowed to return to their homes only after a very short investigation?
4) the men have been very silent and inconspicuous since their release?

dustybin 07 Jan 20 12:15 

I even read a brief extract yesterday about an interview with one of the boys who seemingly has the audacity to say he will pursue her for (deformation) when she returns.


Is that because she used force to change his shape or do you mean (defamation) as in defamation of character. Could be important when it goes to court.

Facts • January 7, 2020 3:02 PM GMT
dustybin    07 Jan 20 11:12
Stewarts rise

I’m presuming nothing, I’m asking how can those women outside court know she;s innocent?
They arn’t there for a fair trial, they are ‘anti rape’


Don't you agree with that sentiment ?

I agree with it as in Im not 'pro rape', yes.
Just as Im not pro gun,stabbing,theft,murder, etc.

My point typically was around how parties viewing the case could be adamant either way.


crystalhunt • January 7, 2020 3:42 PM GMT
dustybin 07 Jan 20 12:15

I even read a brief extract yesterday about an interview with one of the boys who seemingly has the audacity to say he will pursue her for (deformation) when she returns.


Is that because she used force to change his shape or do you mean (defamation) as in defamation of character. Could be important when it goes to court.

No reflection on this girl at all but it is nonsense to say no woman will have consensual sex with 12 men.
When on holiday in Spain some years ago a tour rep was taking on all comers (so to speak). My mate joined the queue but i cant say it appealed to me.

Yes sloppy twelfths is not appealing.

The issue is has justice been seen to be done? It hasn't in my opinion.

Exactly charlie, and if women don't support other women, who will?

....women support women on the basis they are women
Not that they know innocence or guilt

Theres my point

Whether women support other women isn't the issue. As I said above the issue is was justice seen to be done?

It is the issue of the thread

The women outside the court were chanting they wanted justice not saying the girl was innocent.

They were feminists saying 'they believed her' and demanded she be released and the conviction over turned

The foreign office was leaning on the judgement too....while conveniently not mentioning that last year in England and Wales only 1.5% of allegations lead to a conviction.

I don't understand why almost everyone in the press is insisting she is innocent of the charge.  She voluntarily wrote and signed a report saying she had lied about accusing the twelve men of rape, surely a terrible crime in itself. 

There have been numerous cases in the uk of women lying about accusing men of rape.  They have been sent to prison for it, as they should be - and for a long, long time.

But they would have had access to a lawyer and a copy on a tape or video whilst the confession was given in Britain, not just  written down by a lone Policeman!

From what I have read the girl wrote her retraction in her own handwriting.  If you had been raped by twelve men and then told to write a report saying you  had made it up - WOULD YOU?

If you're in a foreign country with no support network and being put under pressure to write a retraction(although i thought the policeman wrote it in poor english), who knows what you'd do, the alleged rapists had already been allowed to return to Israel, just a lads will be lads thing according to the cypriots. Put it another way what decent fella would take part in a gangbang after a lot of his mates, would you? Don't know if you're male/female?

If you're in a foreign country with no support network you don't go to the police. Tourists should know better.

I would love to know if it is possible to tell if a woman had sex with 12 people or just 1, within 24 hours after the deed?

even to a layman there looked to be some very dodgy phrases in "her" statement that a native english speaker is highly unlikely to say

The offence occurred in Cyprus, it is hardly Iran.  No amount of 'pressure' would have made me or anyone else innocent of the charge sign the retraction and she hasn't denied she signed it.

Any odds that she will be selling her story?

I am a woman, stewarts rise

I would love to know if it is possible to tell if a woman had sex with 12 people or just 1, within 24 hours after the deed?

anyone?

Both scenarios seem entirely possible. She was lured into a room, and up to 12 men had sex with her, against her will. Or she consented to have sex with the men, regretted she done so when the alcohol/drugs wore off in the cold light of day, and claimed rape.

This only really kicked off in the media when she was found guilty of 'lying' after retracting her statement, not when the men were initially released.

The issue as I would see it is the volume of media, protesters and pseudo commentators who seem to know exactly what happened as if they were a fly on the wall, presuming the lady in question is entirely innocent of lying. The volume of people who could know this for certain is extremely limited, and seems to relate to her gender and profile/age. Somehow I think if it was a UK man accused of rape in a foreign country, the presumption of innocence and noisy protests would be much less forthcoming.

It seems to be a 'thing' these days to report opinion rather than fact, unfortunately. Or more accurately, present unsubstantiated opinion as fact.

Looks like no one knows the answer to my question.

She was having sex with consent, on video. The problem was 11 more guys joined in, which wasn't planned. If the defense presented proof of rape, what exactly was it?

It's not something that can be easily answered. Technically yes, via DNA it could be possible to prove the identity of people that had sex in the immediate past. But in some cases of gang rape, not all perps are necessarily physically involved directly.