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Exactly charlie, and if women don't support other women, who will?
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....women support women on the basis they are women
Not that they know innocence or guilt Theres my point |
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Whether women support other women isn't the issue. As I said above the issue is was justice seen to be done?
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It is the issue of the thread
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The women outside the court were chanting they wanted justice not saying the girl was innocent.
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They were feminists saying 'they believed her' and demanded she be released and the conviction over turned
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The foreign office was leaning on the judgement too....while conveniently not mentioning that last year in England and Wales only 1.5% of allegations lead to a conviction.
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I don't understand why almost everyone in the press is insisting she is innocent of the charge. She voluntarily wrote and signed a report saying she had lied about accusing the twelve men of rape, surely a terrible crime in itself.
There have been numerous cases in the uk of women lying about accusing men of rape. They have been sent to prison for it, as they should be - and for a long, long time. |
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But they would have had access to a lawyer and a copy on a tape or video whilst the confession was given in Britain, not just written down by a lone Policeman!
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From what I have read the girl wrote her retraction in her own handwriting. If you had been raped by twelve men and then told to write a report saying you had made it up - WOULD YOU?
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If you're in a foreign country with no support network and being put under pressure to write a retraction(although i thought the policeman wrote it in poor english), who knows what you'd do, the alleged rapists had already been allowed to return to Israel, just a lads will be lads thing according to the cypriots. Put it another way what decent fella would take part in a gangbang after a lot of his mates, would you? Don't know if you're male/female?
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If you're in a foreign country with no support network you don't go to the police. Tourists should know better.
I would love to know if it is possible to tell if a woman had sex with 12 people or just 1, within 24 hours after the deed? |
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even to a layman there looked to be some very dodgy phrases in "her" statement that a native english speaker is highly unlikely to say
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The offence occurred in Cyprus, it is hardly Iran. No amount of 'pressure' would have made me or anyone else innocent of the charge sign the retraction and she hasn't denied she signed it.
Any odds that she will be selling her story? I am a woman, stewarts rise |
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I would love to know if it is possible to tell if a woman had sex with 12 people or just 1, within 24 hours after the deed?
anyone? |
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Both scenarios seem entirely possible. She was lured into a room, and up to 12 men had sex with her, against her will. Or she consented to have sex with the men, regretted she done so when the alcohol/drugs wore off in the cold light of day, and claimed rape.
This only really kicked off in the media when she was found guilty of 'lying' after retracting her statement, not when the men were initially released. The issue as I would see it is the volume of media, protesters and pseudo commentators who seem to know exactly what happened as if they were a fly on the wall, presuming the lady in question is entirely innocent of lying. The volume of people who could know this for certain is extremely limited, and seems to relate to her gender and profile/age. Somehow I think if it was a UK man accused of rape in a foreign country, the presumption of innocence and noisy protests would be much less forthcoming. |
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It seems to be a 'thing' these days to report opinion rather than fact, unfortunately. Or more accurately, present unsubstantiated opinion as fact.
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Looks like no one knows the answer to my question.
She was having sex with consent, on video. The problem was 11 more guys joined in, which wasn't planned. If the defense presented proof of rape, what exactly was it? |
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It's not something that can be easily answered. Technically yes, via DNA it could be possible to prove the identity of people that had sex in the immediate past. But in some cases of gang rape, not all perps are necessarily physically involved directly.
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