How do 3 people die from drowning in a small hotel pool

I don't know if people on here have watched "The Jinx"?  It's the most compelling crime documentary I've ever seen, so don't want to ruin what happens to anyone who subsequently might watch it.  But the use of fake news fed to the media was instrumental in avoiding justice.

apology accepted blackbarn
I thought it was really strange the hotel owners said Diligent and exhaustive police investigations into this tragedy have confirmed that the pool was working normally and there was no malfunction of any kind.

seems to quick to be exhaustive.

They don't want to find any fault

Expecting the Morality Monitor to start piping up soon....

It's odd that he disapproves of guessers on a gambling site. 

My life is almost entirely based on guessing.

even a broken clock is right twice a day

Tragic case, my first thought was electrocution, second non swimmers, the one thing I cannot understand is: if dad can swim and his child is potentially drowning why is he then entering the pool by the steps?

Where is Columbo when we need him?

Shut up you silly right Charlie you.

Go and play with the toys your parents bought you for Christmas.

Typical Drippen. Go on explain your "People of their background" comment which was picked up by Facts. I expect no answer as you're a wimp.

That's a pretty wimpish question, trying to get me to comment on a delicate subject where I might write something you can report.

I'm certainly not going to give you another chance to report me.

As usual you refuse to answer a question.

And this is the bloke who insists it wasn't him who got me banned.

He's trying hard enough here to get me to write something he can report.

Pure fantasy Drippen. Just say what you mean or are is your previous post an admission you were being racist?

There he goes again.

There he doesn't go again. Go on try and defend your post.

Hardly a vile post, tbh... Lets all get a grip.

actually charlie boy Dr makes a very good point

So Emitdeb what do you think he meant by "People of their background"??

And moikok?

Try and speak in plain English unless you're afraid.

You're not losing your temper again are you Charlie?

No Drippen

He's gone.

Actually quite a mild post by Crippen standards

I take water very seriously A_T.

Dec 28, 2019 -- 6:22PM, Charlie wrote:

So Emitdeb what do you think he meant by "People of their background"??

is it skin colour? if not im not sure either

Dec 28, 2019 -- 6:08PM, Dr Crippen wrote:

And this is the bloke who insists it wasn't him who got me banned.He's trying hard enough here to get me to write something he can report.

If you want to prove it was me who got you reported post a PM to Foinavon showing the e-mail. I'll do the same. Chances of you doing it are zero.

So Emitdeb what do you think he meant by "People of their background"??

It's Obvious and only offensive to the very sensitive element of the pc brigade...

Best thing to do if you get into trouble in water, is to do like the lady from Ealing, who lay on her back.

weight

charlie and some of the others do it deliberately it is one of their many traits

and exposes all you reactionary freaks hiding in caves

or something like that

another thing you need to be a progressive liberal type like charlie is a sad lack of humour

I've sent a PM to Foinavon with a copy of e-mail from TSM Global.

Dec 28, 2019 -- 7:01PM, moisok wrote:

another thing you need to be a progressive liberal type like charlie is a sad lack of humour

I don't know what a progressive liberal type is but if it requires intelligence then that rules you out.

I've sent a PM to Foinavon with a copy of e-mail from TSM Global.

Write it yourself did you?

It's unbelievable that anybody would fall for that.

I can forward a copy of the e-mail if you want. Now then you do the same or could you possibly be bullsh!tting.

Telling lies about what?

Was I bullshining when my account wasn't there for a month?

And did you have an e-mail from TSM about that?

I don't answer questions.

I have sent you a reply Charlie.

progressive liberal types just cannot accept it  never mind

Thanks Foinavon, very fair.

Like I said - did you write the email yourself?

No. Have you sent Foinavon a copy of yours?

To be fair to Crippen I’ll just mention that I’ve been a member of a gym for over 20 years and have never seen a black person in the swimming pool. Think about it how many blacks do you see in the olympics in swimming events apart from Eric the eel.

I've had several emails from them, they simply quote the comment.

They never mention if the comment was reported or refer to anyone else on here.

If they do then it's been edited.

Ok just post PM him the one which you insist I reported you for.

If you go to Barbados you will see many black people swimming in the sea, some of them very powerful swimmers too.

You've been going on for months that I reported you. I have never reported anyone. Now you have a chance to back up what you say by at least PMing the comment that was e-mailed to you.

''You sound like a racist to me''

That was to you and that's what they banned me for.

Nothing else just that one line.

Have you PM'd Foinavon?

They removed the whole thread so I couldn't argue.

Have you sent a PM?

he hasnt got anything to send

Why not? If it was ''You sound like a racist to me'' then that must have come from some where.

Foinavon 28 Dec 19 19:36 
If you go to Barbados you will see many black people swimming in the sea, some of them very powerful swimmers too.



Indeed, I remember all the black kids swimming out to greet ships in old movies.

he hasnt got anything to send


What a silly post.
What did I ban myself and remove my own account for a month?

I've been there many times, saddo, my wife has family there. Some go spear fishing but you have to both be a good swimmer and know the currents which can be dangerous in order to do that. Swimming inshore among the rollers is marvellous as the water is warm.

Some white folks don't float very well either.

It's just that people of that background are more likely to have negative buoyancy. It doesn't apply to all of them.

Some overcome it anyway. It just makes it harder to learn to swim.
But they'll never be a champion.

Can we say 'white men can't jump'?

Depends how fat you are and how much air you have in your lungs. Most people can keep their nose and mouth above unruffled water by lying on their back with the back of their head in the water, arms and legs outstretched for balance.

I thought 'black people dont swim' was a joke from Crippen?

It does increase the likelihood that they couldn't swim or were poor swimmers because of their ethnic background.  This is a gambling forum.  We bet on percentages, and the mug gamblers who don't are protected by the efficiency of those that do. 

I think regardless of said deduction, it is not nearly sufficient on the balance of probablities, to change my opinion that it is still more likely there was a problem with the pool, than three separate drownings in a pool with no problems

It's much easier swimming in the sea.

The salt in the water adds to buoyancy.

After 3 pages of deliberations, have we actually ascertained how deep the pool is?

After 3 pages of deliberations, have we actually ascertained how deep the pool is?

working on it jack.

but the black people cant swim is the priority for now.

not enough Olympic gold medals and cultural background/priorities are the two explanations provided so far.

If there was a suction problem in the pool, would it drag three down at the same time?

It would take a powerful pump to do that.

but if they are black they cant swim and if they cant swim they can easily drown without any pump.

The mother says they could all swim and so must have been a problem with the pool.

Jack The pool is 6 and a half feet deep at it's deepest point according to the Mail. Which is roughly what my guess was, the Pastor looks very tall from the long shots I have seen, over 6ft, amazing to think 3 at one time can drown in a pool without some kind of external interference, really don't think whether one could swim or not is prevalent in this case, maybe if it was out at sea, but even non swimmers could easily enough splash/clamber there way to the sides, the dad could probably walk let alone swim, though with a pool fairly small I'd imagine the diameter of the pump system is not wide enough to generate powerful suction force, maybe 1 of them, a smaller child, but all 3?

Thanks, Daz.  Seems very strange.  Wonder if in the underwater struggle, panic took hold and they all grabbed each other so that no one could move?

I have experienced the 'slipping to the deeper side' back when i couldnt swim as a kid. Not a nice feeling when you lose the floor under your feet. Your first reaction is not to try and  float but to move back horizontally to feel the floor again.

Fell into a stream which was a tributary of the Severn when I was young and couldn't swim.  Hampton Loade.  Dr C will know the area.  Visiting parents friends.  Scary.

Just about managed to scramble to the bank and get out.  Could very easily have been bad.

My first reaction when I heard the initial reports was that either there was an issue with the pool, or it was a murder suicide from a mentally depressed parent.  It never entered my head that it could be three separate drownings.  Reports seem to have ruled out the murder/suicide theory

Det, the deeper you go the less friction you have with the sloping floor since more of your weight is supported by the water. It therefore becomes more difficult to "walk" back towards the shallow end as your feet lose their grip. I can imagine how frightening that can be for a non-swimmer. Best try and move sideways towards the edge of the pool where you can grab the side.

Yes Foinovan, you swim sideways and never back. But the first instinct is always to get back the thing you just lost, which is your footing. Hence trying to swim back, not being able to regain your footing which isn't possible without 'swimming' back a couple of feet or so and then panicking.

However, I thought swimming sideways only applied when swimming in a stream. If its a small pool with stationary water, I don't think the water behind you, which basically pulls you down when you swim back to where you came from, will make much of a difference.

In the pool you are trying to walk uphill which requires more friction than moving sideways. As your feet lose their grip you tip over causing more panic.

What I am trying to say is that if you can't swim, whether you try to go sideways or backwards, it hardly makes a difference in a pool. You've lost your footing and you can't swim, whichever direction you go.

When bating on the beach, that's where the swim sideways thing helps because if you try to go backwards, it only helps the water pull you further towards the sea because of the way the water moves there.

Your point is obviously valid, but for a non-swimmer invalid. He can't swim. End of story.

*for a non swimmer irrelevant

The bereaved mother wants further tests to be carried on on the pool.
She's not satisfied with the conclusions reached after the first investigation.

authorities definitely too quick to open and shut the investigation, not sure how can you not offer any explanation for cause of death other than 3 people in a small relatively shallow pool couldn't swim because apparently one of the daughters said so (which is denied), seems like a bit of a cowboy operation.

Jack hacksaw  I know it well - lovely area  - but respect that deadly river

Dec 29, 2019 -- 6:16PM, Dr Crippen wrote:

The bereaved mother wants further tests to be carried on on the pool.She's not satisfied with the conclusions reached after the first investigation.

what were the conclusons from the first investigation?

Everything was working okay.

COMPLEAT GUESS !!!!!!!!!,   The father Had a HEART ATTACK, The kids Drowned in The Melee Trying to ThemSelves and Dad.

the mum says all 3 could swim and yet all 3 drown in a small swimming pool, wonder what the odds of that are

Columbo, where are you??

Just getting my coat silver

Mid August 2019.

A BRITISH father whose little girl is in hospital on the Costa del Sol after being ‘sucked’ into a pool pump has called it an ‘accident waiting to happen.’

Doctors fear Zara Clarkson, six, from Manchester, may have blood poisoning after her tiny arm was trapped in the pool’s filter pump for more than three hours.

Her father, Zack, 46, battled to keep his daughter’s head above water as firefighters raced to the scene with jackhammers and smashed apart the poolside to free the youngster.

The dad and daughter were enjoying their first family holiday at the luxury villa in Estepona with Zara’s twin sister Lucy and their mum Claire, 42, having only brought the property in the Villas de Santa Maria urbanization at Christmas.

Zara underwent treatment at the Hospital Costa del Sol in Marbella where doctors conducted blood tests to ensure there was no damage to her kidneys. 

“Zara was panicking and screamed out ‘daddy the pool is sucking me and it won’t stop’,” Zack, the director of a construction company in Manchester told the Olive Press.

He added: “Something with that kind of suction would have easily pulled a smaller child under the water and they would have been killed.

“It’s incredible her little arm has swollen up so much it is now three times the size.

“What has the doctors most concerned is that the force of the suction may have forced toxins to be released into Zara’s bloodstream.

“The main worry is her kidneys could be damaged.”



Zack said his instinct had been to drag his daughter’s arm out but he stopped knowing this risked causing even greater damage.

Instead, he stayed ‘cheek to cheek’ with Zara keeping her calm as emergency services attempted to saw open the pool’s drainage system.

“She is a brave little kid but of course,” he said, “but it has had an effect on her, she is really upset and has told us she never wants to go swimming again.

“I am a tough lad but my first thought was to go to the corner of the pool and have a quiet sob,” said the distraught father-of-two.

Zara’s mum Claire added: “It was unbearable, I felt helpless and just wanted her out.”


It has been claimed the pool pump had been left on despite reports in the Diario Sur that the pump switch was turned off at the time of the incident.

“It’s so shocking, ” said Tony Reddin, 59, an expat of 30 years and member of the Institute of Swimming Pool Engineers.

“Imagine you’ve got long hair, you’d be sucked in and that’s it, you’re dead,” he told the Olive Press.

“She is lucky to be alive.”

So the question I would like to ask is  how big was the pump being used by the swimming pool ?  Was it situated at the deep end of the pool and could have sucked one of the family in and the others died trying to save him / her ?

A question based on historical evidence of a child previously being sucked in by a pump at a similar type of pool !!!!

Case closed by Spanish police.

The man and 16 year old were both 6ft tall, just 10 cm shorter than the deepest point of the pool, according to the BBC, yet both drowned along with the daughter, only 3 possible explanations, 1) daughter was drowning after being sucked to the bottom by the pump and/or had her costume trapped on something, the other 2 tried to save her and wouldn't come up til they could but both drowned as well, 2) the dad or boy was trying to drown the girl, and the other one tried to stop him (no idea why of course) and they all drowned, 3) they were all the victim of sudden suction at the bottom of the pool. Whichever way the dismissive way the Spanish police have dealt with it, not even draining the pool to conclude a proper check, makes it feel like a cover up, with that or a lazy cowboy operation who didn't like their Christmas being interrupted, chances of all 3 accidentally drowning at the same time in the same small pool are incredibly minuscule to non existent.

Spot on Darren , Usual Med type of investigation ,as in NONE ..

Maybe they all suffered a fatal electric shock from the pump?

I said that Torque , only thing that makes any sense ,The wife must be in a desperate state