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macarony
23 Dec 19 12:35
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Time for Britain to go self sufficient or will we just wait until we have a crisis on our hands?
Spend a few billion now hydroponic greenhouse the length and breadth of the country and ensure we can eat tomorrow.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50856049
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Report lovegod December 23, 2019 12:59 PM GMT
Dig for victory.
Report Coachbuster December 23, 2019 1:03 PM GMT
fook me , we'd never survive  ...we no longer have any skills
Report Dr Crippen December 23, 2019 1:52 PM GMT
We've still got an army.
Report lovegod December 23, 2019 1:56 PM GMT
When you read/see things about lots of root veg going to waste because its not very attractive then surely we're producing enough of it.

Just need people to 'discover' these foods and look up recipes that use them.

Sure the luvvies will be distressed about lack of aubergines/courgettes and other exotics.
Report Foinavon December 23, 2019 6:26 PM GMT
As with global carbon dioxide emissions, the call is to alleviate the symptoms rather than attack the root cause, Why is that?
Report onlooker December 23, 2019 6:32 PM GMT
Indded - lovegod.

Morrison's Supermarkets have been selling their 'WONKY' rage of vegetable for some time, now.

Nothing wrong with them - Nutrition-wise

- and When you have peeled the leaves off a Cauliflower - which I then, further, save - and add them to a cabbage, onion, 'wonky' carrots etc  - to make my own homemade vegetable soup - you are not only saving even more money, but nutritiously fortifying yourself, too.

Let's face ... Half of vegetables look no different, WHEN COOKED - be they the 'properly' presented ones, or the 'Wonky' shaped ones.

- and when you have chewed and eaten them - Well, they are ALL the same once inside you.

Far too much Food SNOBBERY, nowadays.
Report Coachbuster December 23, 2019 6:32 PM GMT
i bought a pair of charchoal trainers  ... now i've been told they leave a huge carbon footprint
Report Coachbuster December 23, 2019 6:33 PM GMT
saw the wonky veg in morrisons but thought they were pretty expensive
Report PorcupineorPineapple December 23, 2019 6:34 PM GMT
2016 - sunlit uplands
2019 - we need to grow our own food otherwise we starve
Report onlooker December 23, 2019 6:36 PM GMT
Look again - coachbuster - They are cheaper than 'Regular' veg - and - as for 'Organic' ...

-  well they are just a price rip-off for food snobs and Green Party voters.
Report Coachbuster December 23, 2019 6:38 PM GMT
just grow potatoes ...think of the variety


roasted
wedges
mash
chips
crisps
potato sald
dolphin-nose

endless choice imo
Report Coachbuster December 23, 2019 6:39 PM GMT

Dec 23, 2019 -- 6:36PM, onlooker wrote:


Look again - coachbuster - They are cheaper than 'Regular' veg - and - as for 'Organic' ... -  well they are just a price rip-off for food snobs and Green Party voters.


agreed ,and organic is totally useless anyway if it has an outer shell ... eg oranges , brussels, bananas etc .

Report Coachbuster December 23, 2019 6:40 PM GMT
I'm not a Morrisons regular but thought they were about  the same as i'd pay in Sainsburys  and much dearer than Aldi
Report macarony December 23, 2019 6:50 PM GMT
We import vast amounts of food where is our plan for when something goes wrong and its a case of when not if? We sunk billions of pounds each year on eff all so why not plan for the future
Report Foinavon December 23, 2019 6:57 PM GMT
We have only a limited amount of land in the UK and have been coerced by the misguided to commit to covering large areas with trees. You can not then use it to grow more beef but have to import your needs from freshly deforested areas of Amazonia. @rse about face? Indeed.
Report onlooker December 23, 2019 6:59 PM GMT
We will only need Ken Dodd  to re-open the Jam Butty Mines, and the Broken Biscuit Repair Factory - and our problems will be over.
Report macarony December 23, 2019 7:06 PM GMT
Look at the size of Holland and see how much food they can grow and how they go about growing it.
Report Foinavon December 23, 2019 7:11 PM GMT
We can grow more by using intensive methods as they do in Holland and I'm sure we will. It does require a big investment though and planning permission as some will argue that it disfigures the landscape.
Report Dr Crippen December 23, 2019 7:12 PM GMT
AFRICAN PROVERB: “One-quarter of what you eat keeps you alive. The other three-quarters keeps your doctors alive”

Not quite but the point is relevant. We simply don't need much of what we eat despite what we're led to believe.
So limited food supplies must mean healthier living for us in the West.
Report Coachbuster December 23, 2019 7:16 PM GMT
wood av fort that would be an american saying crippen  Laugh
Report Dr Crippen December 23, 2019 7:32 PM GMT
The USA - richest nation on earth and the sickest.
Report politicspunter December 23, 2019 7:56 PM GMT
Everyone should avoid any conversations with Crippen. He is likely to report you  and post abuse about you on his shopping channel. Link here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpHTeqlwTAM

Go to comments-sort by newest first. Crippen is Jack Dawkins on that forum.
Report Nebs December 23, 2019 8:00 PM GMT
Send working parties from prisons to help at farms. If you want a reduction in your sentence then earn it.
Report moisok December 23, 2019 8:24 PM GMT
we are sat on 400 years supply of coal
Report moisok December 23, 2019 8:24 PM GMT
we are sat on 400 years supply of coal
Report bigmo December 23, 2019 8:30 PM GMT
Why not chop, prepare and freeze wonky veg?
Report Dr Crippen December 23, 2019 9:20 PM GMT
I doubt if the UK could ever be self-sufficient in food.
We've got too many people to feed and who would work in the fields?
I think a lot of youngsters would rather starve than bend their back digging up spuds.

Well not quite.
Report Dr Crippen December 23, 2019 9:32 PM GMT
Aneurin Bevan that great Labour man once said.

"This island is made mainly of coal and surrounded by fish. Only an organizing genius could produce a shortage of coal and fish at the same time."

Well we got rid of coal and we've given our fish away to the EU.

So it looks like job done.
Report Lady Faye Verrit December 24, 2019 8:51 AM GMT
I seem to recall the excitement, when oil was discovered off shore, and how we were going to be self sufficient,
and "minted", so what happened to that?
Report lfc1971 December 24, 2019 10:00 AM GMT
Britain was the first country to do so many things , and should lead the world again and become the first to become extinct .
Report macarony December 24, 2019 11:02 AM GMT
The British people will become extinct in about 200 years probably already in the minority already.

Here in Britain we no longer have any forward planning so when the food shortage hits and hits hard we basically have no chance
Report Dr Crippen December 24, 2019 11:24 AM GMT
Hang on, hold your horses.

We haven't factored in climate change.

Little Greta cry baby says we're all doomed anyway, so we'll be gone long before we fall foul of expanding populations.
Report moisok December 24, 2019 2:24 PM GMT
under 12 years or is it under 10 years
Report Foinavon December 24, 2019 2:31 PM GMT
Eat, drink and be merry, for the asteroid of death is coming. It will cause global fires followed by a snowball earth.
That's what you call climate change.
Report Coachbuster December 25, 2019 4:56 PM GMT
i'd wager within the the next 100,000 - 500,000 years some advanced form of life will supercede us  here from a different planet  ...all those billions of suns and planets ...must be a few hundred way more advanced than us
Report sageform December 25, 2019 5:15 PM GMT
No way we can be self sufficient with the current population unless everyone with a garden used it to produce fruit and vegetables. That used to be a significant part of the UK food production resource but most of the gardens have been built on or covered in concrete or tarmac these days. We would also have to manage without a long list of things that don't grow here.
Report Coachbuster December 25, 2019 5:34 PM GMT
we've been  de-self sufficiented  over the last 60 years   ...not so m,uch about growing things ,thats easy ...but mending things ,plumbing ,plastering, carpentry,servicing your car,general repairs ...most peoplke  don't haver a clue and wouldn't survive  ... older generations were multi skilled ...the current lot would be useless
Report Coachbuster December 25, 2019 5:35 PM GMT
excuse my typos
Report detraveller December 25, 2019 9:06 PM GMT
This food shortage nonsense is probably a similar hoax as climate change. The world surely is overpopulated, as in it could solve a lot of its problems by having less people around. But to say human food consumption would increase in a hundred years and so we are in trouble is as stupid as one can get. I read an article on Economist the other day about chicken meat. It said chickens in the mid 20th century used to weigh under a kilo and today you can find them weighing over 4 kilos. We don't know what we'll be eating in a hundred years. Could be artificial food. Could be anti hunger tablets. We may well all be running on electricity. Who gives a fk???
Report Foinavon December 25, 2019 11:09 PM GMT
Chicken was a rare treat for us townies in the 1950s but it tasted very good. Since then, they brought in factory farming and chicken is plentiful and tastes of nothing much. Sad
Report impossible123 December 26, 2019 11:24 AM GMT
Similarly salmon eg farmed salmon tastes sh1t compare to wild, and have greater amount of fat - white lines on the flesh is a dead giveaway; mackerel, sardines and the others are just as nutritious and tasty, if fresh. There are also plenty of alternatives, and produce from The EU are mostly non-essentials to me these days eg olives, cheese, wine, chorizo, biscuits, etc.

The imports from other parts of the world eg Asia, Africa, etc are better options, nutritional and healthier too.
Report detraveller December 26, 2019 11:59 AM GMT
The point is, something was done to cater to a growing population. Any scaremongering regarding food shortage is wrong. There may be bad food management but there isn't any shortage, and no one can say if there will be in a hundred years, just because they think humans will be eating 200 more calories a day.
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