Ian Blackford - self-important obnoxious oik

I get the impression more people in Scotland like him than the SNP would like us to believe.

Head Like a Barrel

You're quite right, Ev - despite what some nationalistic mugs might have you believe.  Particularly in here.

Boz, imo, should tell the clown and his wee fishwife mistress that Scotland can have indyref2 in 2021 on the strict condition the snp win the Scottish parliamentary elections on 6th May of that year.

Scottish independence: Sturgeon requests powers for referendum

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-50843024

"Once in a generation" they told us in 2014   How long's a generation?  25 years, imo - not 5!!!

Howdy Case

first couple of months of next year might be interesting for the SNP

Heart attack waiting to happen hopefully live on air

1.2 million voted for the SNP - out of a UK population of 66 million... That represents just 1.8%

But because of the misproportion of seats per head of population in Scotland, they get an exaggerated representation in Parliament ... and Blackford, consequently, gets FAR MORE  than 1.8% of Parliamentary time to continually gob-off about his, and that of the equally noisy female dwarf back in Edinburgh, insular minority interests.

Everybody has heard him, and her, and the theme, so many times before, that  it is little wonder that the vast majority are no longer interested in what they have to say - just like Johnson ... and could not give a Donald about their jingoistic  insular navel-gazing.

You lost overwhelmingly in Scotland - how about taking your own advice and accepting the result?

Immaterial we are the Uk , weighed in.

It would delight me no end for Scotland to vote for Independence in a Referendum - AND, carry it through.

The first of those, if not both  the above, are far from certain to happen, though - somewhat unfortunately.

Go your own way ........ let's see how long Scotland lasts - trying to stand on it's  own  feet out there in the big wide-world... without the money from Westminster

Or, of course, I suppose the master-plan will be for Scotland to get itself declared a 'Third-World Economy' - just as Ireland did, before the EU pumped billions into Ireland - only for Ireland to now be left floundering now that cash has dried up, and all the American, and other countries companies - who came for the 'No Rates/Low Tax' deals - have beggared off.

^ add ...

- and whilst you are at it - You can take equally NOISY Northern Ireland with you, too.

^ Pfft, they are still there(US companies) taking advantage of the highly educated workforce,many UK companies relocating there over brexit. Ireland is the fastest growing European with underlying GDP of 5% and that has been mirrored for the last few years.

The likes of Ian Blackford and SNP knows the UK is buggered after brexit and don't want to be dragged down by tiny little englanders and who can blame them.

F@@k me. He doesn't half go on....

SNP had higher % of Scottish voters than fatboy boris had in england.hth.

They have all the moaners on sky - why do they allow this.  Ya lost -  scottish bloke on sky   - it is like a free political speech for the SNP  - and aren't they annoying  - like a record round and round  it goes. They seem to have nothing else as policy at all.

No - It doesn't help - sofiakenny - because, just like big-mouth Blackford, you are artificially massaging the figures - just to suit your agenda.

1.2 million people voted for the SNP ... 33 million people OVERALL voted in the UK General Election ...

Now turn THAT into a percentage.

Or - I will do that for you ...

The SNP got just 3.9% percent of the Overall vote.

Boris/The Conservatives got 43.6%

last poll was 56 to stay 44 in favour of leaving

The last poll did not have Scotland crashing out of the EU against its will...62-38 REMAIN.

Independence is a matter of when..not if.

I want out of the eu 38% of Scots voted out of the eu.

Independence may be a matter of when not if.
But you and I will be dead long before that sofee.
Awfy deed!

Independence is a certainty, "the empire it is finished, no foreign lands to seize"

Top Labour MSP's ready to join the SNP too, they think it's the only way forward for Scotland to remain in EU and protect the working class, poor, sick and elderly from Tory spivs "evil plan".
God Bless them all I say.

Dec 20, 2019 -- 9:28AM, onlooker wrote:

1.2 million voted for the SNP - out of a UK population of 66 million... That represents just 1.8% But because of the misproportion of seats per head of population in Scotland, they get an exaggerated representation in Parliament ... and Blackford, consequently, gets FAR MORE  than 1.8% of Parliamentary time to continually gob-off about his, and that of the equally noisy female dwarf back in Edinburgh, insular minority interests.Everybody has heard him, and her, and the theme, so many times before, that  it is little wonder that the vast majority are no longer interested in what they have to say - just like Johnson ... and could not give a Donald about their jingoistic  insular navel-gazing.

Errm, could it be anything to do with the SNP only stand in Scotland? Just to let you know they don't stand in the rest of the UK.

Dec 20, 2019 -- 11:12AM, onlooker wrote:

No - It doesn't help - sofiakenny - because, just like big-mouth Blackford, you are artificially massaging the figures - just to suit your agenda.1.2 million people voted for the SNP ... 33 million people OVERALL voted in the UK General Election ... Now turn THAT into a percentage.  Or - I will do that for you ...The SNP got just 3.9% percent of the Overall vote.Boris/The Conservatives got 43.6%

Errm, I refer you to my post above. Hopefully you will eventually understand it.

Post Ref , Nicola and Barrelhead , will no doubt be waiting at the Airport for the New influx of Calais Children Types

STUR IT UP Boris Johnson rejects Nicola Sturgeon’s demand for a second Scottish referendum after SNP landslide

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10584913/nicola-sturgeon-renews-pledge-for-second-scottish-referendum-after-snp-landslide/
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And Ms Sturgeon firmly warned she would not take no for an answer and raised the prospects of taking other means necessary to achieve a referendum

Hope you backed the SNP in your constituency Trilby. Evens was stealing money.

He was too busy..out panning for gold..worra plonka.

False perspective from Scotland . The unionists are the majority if a Scottish unionist party was to form it would sweep to power in short measure and get rid of the SNP troublemakers

No, I didn't Poli.  I was hoping Luke would retain his seat.  I hope you had loads on it.  Who's your MP anyway?

You're Aberdeen South, Ken aye?  Does that include Stonehaven?  There's you trying to trick me into giving you panning tips Try these loon -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highland_Boundary_Fault

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-50742217

Howdy Lfc.  How was the hot date?

Dec 20, 2019 -- 11:40AM, sofiakenny wrote:

The last poll did not have Scotland crashing out of the EU against its will...62-38 REMAIN.

BUT WHY ARE STURGEON AND blackford and CO ,,PERSISTENTLY SAYING SCOTLAND DIDNT VOTE FOR BREXIT,, SCOTLAND WASNT VOTING ALONE,, we were all together,, little midget ..

Dec 20, 2019 -- 4:45PM, trilby22 wrote:

No, I didn't Poli.  I was hoping Luke would retain his seat.  I hope you had loads on it.  Who's your MP anyway?You're Aberdeen South, Ken aye?  Does that include Stonehaven?  There's you trying to trick me into giving you panning tips  Try these loon -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highland_Boundary_Faulthttps://www.bbc.co.uk/... Lfc.  How was the hot date?

Nadine Dorries

It went well trilby, thanks . She was nice , interesting , kind , an extrovert . I like women like that , well we would have to be half mad not to

The latest poll for independence was 56 stay with uk and 44 against.

a bit of a blow for her

I have always wondered why they swim against the tide annoying lots of people by banging on about to the detriment of home issues in scotland

Then I realised her hatred of the english, appealing to nationalism, diverts attention away from some of her home made disasters.   It worked for Hitler too.

Link? moisok

this isn't the one
if I have time I will find it
it was only this month from what I recall
this one is worse for sturgeon

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/scotland/1005334/poll-shows-shift-away-from-scottish-independence-with-only-40-in-favour/

like with all that nonsense spouted by the progressives prior to our general election and were so very wrong -  it is all bull until a vote takes place

so it is all flummery until then if it is ever allowed

It irrelevant come next month Britain will have formally left the EU and that includes Scotland

The unionists,the pensioners with the worrying about the Westministers pittance of a shilling,fack em.

Stand up or go with Boris the clown.

No brainer, they(the English) will put you under a bus like they did with poor Nigel Dodds and the rest of the dup and NI.

Scotland is only there to be used and abused by the tory spiv party,that has been proved by NI.

That’s the thanks you get after 300 years of the greatest and most successful partnership of any two countries in history

the hatred is palpable - nationalist causes are frightening - often ending up badly - the favourite harbour of reactionaries and nazis -  strange to see a left wing organisation adopting this tone and strategy

but I believe stalin favoured elements of this himself  ho ho 

of course our other famous nationalist mr hilter  went for it big time

what makes  me laugh is how no scots living in england can vote  - that is  correct isn't it??

are you no longer scottish if you live in engerland?

Think you are getting your Nationalists mixed up with Dictators there Moisok.

Isn't brexit an expression of "Nationalism" in its own way?

oh they sure used 'nationalism' for their cause as is sturgeon and her cronies

what has brexit got to do with it   I thought this was about the bloated one banging on about independence

and the great leader who seems to have no other thought  whilst the home country has real problems 

sounds a bit naughty to me -  in fact it is a well known tactic to divert attention

feed the populace with national identity against the foreigners and you are there!!!

it is how wars get off the ground too

nothing mixed up here   - I just see bad people at work

nothing mixed up here   - I just see bad people at work

"feed the populace with national identity against the foreigners and you are there"

Isn't that chit chat these days?


Scotland as said is being governed by a clown,should they put up with it? Nae chance.

If your in Trilby, I'm having a noggin e/w on SAVALAS in the next at Wolves - who loves ya baby

Everything is going to be fine ,just fine!

*you're

I am always VERY understanding of scottish persons and their needs.

In fact two of my close friends are from the Glasgee.   

Their needs are good whiskey, to beat england at soccer ball and crush us at rugby.

I just tell them the wall will have to be built higher to keep the marauders in

And in the immortal words of bigmo  - 'that's when the fight started'

ho ho ho
and minikin should give them the vote  too

any living in UK should have the vote (scots)  ok

and talk about outflank the english!!!


to get all that tax payers from the foreigners is brilliant

you have to admire them - they are a canny lot

Watching a horse called Line Out 12.10 Thurles Tom @ 33/1,two main negatives are his trainer is shrewd, and 3m unknown but he is a horse to watch,a naggin ew Evgenykissin, might be worth a tiny bet to get stake back i hope.

SNP got a bigger chip on their shoulder than Gibraltar.

Thanks, pa. Good luck for the rest of the evening and tomorrow and tomorrow etc.

just finishing and excellent Aberdeen Angus sirloin yum yum

an

Once Brexit is sorted and everything has calmed down, I'm talking perhaps 2021, the SNP should have their IndyRef2.  In the recent election, parties in favour of independence, namely the SNP and Scottish Greens, received 1,270,502 votes.  1,484,740 votes were for pro-union parties.  I realise that it was a General Election and not an Independence vote but the SNP talked constantly of Independence; surely if you're Scottish and yearning for independence your vote would go to the SNP.  53.9% of voters weren't wooed by talk of IndyRef2.  Let them have their referendum.  Let them lose it, along with their raison d'être.

Blackford always reminds me of Mr Pickwick when I see him standing in the Commons.

yep it's all total bluster from sturgeon at the moment. boris should call her bluff and let her have it. she'd then be reversing so fast you wouldn't see her for dust

they can't seriously want another go until the polls are around 55% on a consistent basis. won't be getting a 3rd one for a long long time that's for sure

Let the Scots live on their own money for three years and then they can vote.

Dec 20, 2019 -- 9:18PM, lybertyne wrote:

Once Brexit is sorted and everything has calmed down, I'm talking perhaps 2021, the SNP should have their IndyRef2.

lybertyne • December 20, 2019 9:18 PM GMT
Once Brexit is sorted and everything has calmed down, I'm talking perhaps 2021, the SNP should have their IndyRef2.  In the recent election, parties in favour of independence, namely the SNP and Scottish Greens, received 1,270,502 votes.  1,484,740 votes were for pro-union parties.  I realise that it was a General Election and not an Independence vote but the SNP talked constantly of Independence; surely if you're Scottish and yearning for independence your vote would go to the SNP.  53.9% of voters weren't wooed by talk of IndyRef2.  Let them have their referendum.  Let them lose it, along with their raison d'être.

You have fallen into the trap of assuming folks that do not vote SNP do not want independence.

Dec 20, 2019 -- 5:24PM, politicspunter wrote:

Dec 20, 2019 --  4:45PM, trilby22 wrote:No, I didn't Poli.  I was hoping Luke would retain his seat.  I hope you had loads on it.  Who's your MP anyway?You're Aberdeen South, Ken aye?  Does that include Stonehaven?  There's you trying to trick me into giving you panning tips  Try these loon -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highland_Boundary_Faulthttps://www.bbc.co.uk/...  Lfc.  How was the hot date?Nadine Dorries

She's quite a sort - and a good rags to riches story.  Anxious would be raging at this Scouse Tory spiv

"Nadine Dorries was born in Liverpool in the 1950s and raised on a council estate, the daughter of a bus driver. Her first novel, THE FOUR STREETS, was inspired by memories of her childhood, particularly her Irish grandmother who she was very close to.

Nadine trained as a nurse, then followed with a successful career in which she established and then sold her own business. She has been the MP for Mid-Befordshire since 2005 and has three daughters."

Decent MP, iyo?

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=nadine+dorries&atb=v152-7__&iax=images&ia=images
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Dec 20, 2019 -- 5:43PM, lfc1971 wrote:

It went well trilby, thanks . She was nice , interesting , kind , an extrovert . I like women like that , well we would have to be half mad not to

Good stuff mate.  I hope things go in the direction of your desire

Dec 20, 2019 -- 6:12PM, moisok wrote:

The latest poll for independence was 56 stay with uk and 44 against.a bit of a blow for herI have always wondered why they swim against the tide annoying lots of people by banging on about to the detriment of home issues in scotlandThen I realised her hatred of the english, appealing to nationalism, diverts attention away from some of her home made disasters.   It worked for Hitler too.

Nail on head there, Mo.

Dec 20, 2019 -- 7:27PM, EvgenyKissin wrote:

If your in Trilby, I'm having a noggin e/w on SAVALAS in the next at Wolves - who loves ya baby

Nae luck Sir … assuming you're a sir and not a dame?

Dec 20, 2019 -- 9:48PM, treetop wrote:

Blackford always reminds me of Mr Pickwick when I see him standing in the Commons.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Mr+Pickwick&atb=v152-7__&iax=images&ia=images

Dec 21, 2019 -- 4:17AM, politicspunter wrote:

lybertyne • December 20, 2019 9:18 PM GMTOnce Brexit is sorted and everything has calmed down, I'm talking perhaps 2021, the SNP should have their IndyRef2.  In the recent election, parties in favour of independence, namely the SNP and Scottish Greens, received 1,270,502 votes.  1,484,740 votes were for pro-union parties.  I realise that it was a General Election and not an Independence vote but the SNP talked constantly of Independence; surely if you're Scottish and yearning for independence your vote would go to the SNP.  53.9% of voters weren't wooed by talk of IndyRef2.  Let them have their referendum.  Let them lose it, along with their raison d'être.You have fallen into the trap of assuming folks that do not vote SNP do not want independence.

You have fallen into the trap of assuming folks that do not vote SNP do not want independence.

No, it's not a trap at all, Poli.  Likewise, as you once said to me, thinking the reverse of all people voting snp want indy is a trap.  The numbers are not 100% but they are not that far away and a very good indication.

Many snp peeps are pro-Brexit.  How aware of that are you?

Dec 21, 2019 -- 8:25AM, trilby22 wrote:

Dec 21, 2019 --  4:17AM, politicspunter wrote:lybertyne • December 20, 2019 9:18 PM GMTOnce Brexit is sorted and everything has calmed down, I'm talking perhaps 2021, the SNP should have their IndyRef2.  In the recent election, parties in favour of independence, namely the SNP and Scottish Greens, received 1,270,502 votes.  1,484,740 votes were for pro-union parties.  I realise that it was a General Election and not an Independence vote but the SNP talked constantly of Independence; surely if you're Scottish and yearning for independence your vote would go to the SNP.  53.9% of voters weren't wooed by talk of IndyRef2.  Let them have their referendum.  Let them lose it, along with their raison d'être.You have fallen into the trap of assuming folks that do not vote SNP do not want independence.You have fallen into the trap of assuming folks that do not vote SNP do not want independence.No, it's not a trap at all, Poli.  Likewise, as you once said to me, thinking the reverse of all people voting snp want indy is a trap.  The numbers are not 100% but they are not that far away and a very good indication.Many snp peeps are pro-Brexit.  How aware of that are you?

Very aware, but don't confuse the EU remain/leave vote with an independence referendum. When it comes to such an important decision such as an independence referendum, party support is a good guide but far from an exact science. Here is the latest polling btw,  46% for, 47% against and 7% undecided.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/politics/scottish-politics/1039926/exclusive-courier-poll-showing-rise-in-support-for-independence-gives-election-day-boost-to-snp/

And you can be guaranteed that many folks vote SNP because they like the Scottish government but they don't wish to be an independent country.

No, I don't confuse them at all.  Living here in the heart of Scotland and speaking to many people of various persuasions, I have a fairly clear idea of what's going on

Are you Scottish, btw?

It's good to speak with your friends about political issues but opinion polls that cover the whole country, all ages and social grades I find are a slightly more reliable indicator of current public opinion.

Friends, sure but I speak with many other people on my endeavours too

Are you Scottish then?  You seem quite knowledgeable about things here

I'm a field sevice engineer, btw.

how the ... do you service a field?   Sounds right nawty.

So its ok to be nationalist if you're Scottish,
but definitely not ok if you're  British ?


sounds like the logic of losers.

nationalism leads to disaster
there is a record of it

Dec 21, 2019 -- 2:18PM, trilby22 wrote:

Friends, sure but I speak with many other people on my endeavours too Are you Scottish then?  You seem quite knowledgeable about things here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_Scottish_independence

You can get a good picture of everything on this page.

I mean if I wandered in to the Green Man in Clophill where I live for a drink (lemonade usually-I'm teetotal) I am sure there would be quite a few folks that would hazard an opinion. However, I might wander in to Bedford and hear a different group hazard a totally different view. I reckon if there was Indyref2 tomorrow the result would be a toss up.

(lemonade usually-I'm teetotal) Can't afford alcohol.

Thanks Poli but I already have a very good picture.  The width and breadth of Scotland is also considerably larger and more informative than a ten mile wander.  You're Scottish, aren't you?

Mo, Sofiakenny PMd me after you asked what a FSE is asking if I could get him a start in the New Year.  Said he'd already got his own wellies   Ritchie_Mumsnett'll probably do likewise when he reads it.

How very very - it means a very different thingummy to me and the girlfriend.  - fields and servicing and all that - some time in dorset meadows  etc

Dec 21, 2019 -- 8:14PM, trilby22 wrote:

Thanks Poli but I already have a very good picture.  The width and breadth of Scotland is also considerably larger and more informative than a ten mile wander.  You're Scottish, aren't you? Mo, Sofiakenny PMd me after you asked what a FSE is asking if I could get him a start in the New Year.  Said he'd already got his own wellies   Ritchie_Mumsnett'll probably do likewise when he reads it.

No, I'm not Scottish. What makes you think that?

You're not Scottish.  Have you ever lived in Scotland for any period of time?

Yes, on Arran.

I have a holiday home there. I also used to come up fairly regular when I had my business.

I used to live on Bute.  It's truly lovely doon the watter

Boris should have given her Indyref2 in 2020, the Selfie Queen only asked for it next
year to keep the Saltire Brigade happy,she knows that she would lose it.Her big hope
is the 2021 Scottish election and of course it would help if brexit is causing problems
thus Indyref2 wont happen before Sept 2021. Remember too that every year that passes
some of those No voters will pass away.

Some NO voters from the previous referendum will have died of course, but as they get older some YES voters will also change their mind to NO.

People get wiser as they get older.

I reckon he'll tell her she may have it in 2021, after the Scottish elections - but only if the snp win an overall majority.  That'll get 'em foamin' at the mooth