Alistair Campbell made an interesting point last night

How depressing in our 2 party system. 'he couldn't lead the working class out of a paper bag' that quip from a moderate says it all. They just don't listen or get it.

That is an Incredible and Shocking fact  , Obviously with the Blair terms  it does not seem that obvious ...

case we don't have a credible opposition, it was an open goal and the useless coooonts were to busy waving to the minority fanboys in the stand. FFS

Too*

BLAIR was NOT really Labour, though - was he.

Thatchers 'love child'

Labour ended up having a red red whine at Corbyn

Did not Thatcher reply when asked what is your greatest achievement she said Tony Blair

To be fair she could hardly have said John Major.

Great thread with good hearted humour.

Edwina's sloppy 2nds

sad but true, I could never countenance stirring another guys porridge.

I was a bit taken aback when I first heard that, but it seems appropiate, If I'm wromg then apologies.

Harold Wilson was great - born winner who was very funny in the process

Campbell was on the Beeb and Lansman was there too
He ripped Lansman a second hole, but Lansman doubled down on ALL the policies and just blamed Brexit etc
They are going nowhere with Momentum, which is kind of ironic

juce, we are badly served, I just voted  for the least worse option, but here is my most worrying concern. An 18-22 year old leaving school or biased uni, with no life or working experience, just wants to save the planet, save the flowers etc, with only complaints and not viable solutions. Any one can moan (Cue Jezza) but not offer a viable solution, and they have the same voting rights as me!!

John Smith was a decent man and left us too soon..

John Smith would have made a good PM of the country but for his sad demise
Harold Wilson was a canny operator ... he understood the difficulties of the day when the unions had so much influence but he could play them to his advantage which bearing in mind the difficulties of the times was no mean feat

Absolutely, Geordie - canny operator!

Someone threw a pamphlet at the podium when he was speaking at a Labour rally and narrowly missed him. Quick as Flash, Wilson replies something along of the lines of, 'My friend, your aim is as wayward as your material!'

Great stuff.

How Wilson managed to keep the party together for so long with its competing factions was his greatest success imo. The likes of Roy Jenkins and James Callaghan on one side whilst placating Benn, Foot and Healey on the other was, as you say, no mean feat although I think Healey moved more to the centre as he got older.

Lyndon Johnson wanted Wilson's support for Vietnam. He said no.

Fast forward to Bush and Blair with Iraq...

It seems to me that the labour mp's that I have heard being interviewed post election,are blaming everyone except their own party for the defeat, and therein lies one of their problems.

Yes, Injera. I think there is a quote where he said mentioning fighting battles at the despatch box and not on the field of war. I'll try and find it.

it's heart warming to find I'm not alone. thanks guys.

Mummysmentum and rich boy lansman have a lot to answer for. The party has had its head turned towards sectional/diverse interests instead of concentrating on the main electorate.     I have been roundly thrashed for saying this all year.

Two war crims-what a honour you share Ali boy.

Give it a decade or two and the demographic shift will render the Tories obsolete.

I love this term.  It came up in the campaign to get Ali millani elected.(a well known local lad) It was cited as the reason why he would crush Johnson with the student vote and hundreds of mummysmentum brown shirts swamping the area.  In fact they actually intimidated and upset some of the electorate.  Apparently the demographic shift (although large) did not seem to sway it.  Are we saying the demographic voters voted for Johnson.  How dare they!!

intimidated and upset some of the electorate

This was a feature of the Labour campaign here in Chipping Barnet; good cop/bad cop activists, the latter resorting to bullying and intimidation. They got their answer on Friday morning; we won't be cowed!

I have to confess that trick the millennials did in hacking down Dennis Skinner's long political career of fighting for the working class was lost on me....like some sort of Obi-Wan Jedi trick perhaps where they commit suicide to become even more powerful?
Err-rum?

You can trace it back to Gordon Brown's "bigoted woman" comments. Since then, Labour have been on a self-harming path, driven by a dangerous ideology which they've tried to dress up as "progressive" policies. Unfortunately for them, and luckily for this country, the majority of normal folk can see right through their faux compassion, and have rejected them time and time again.

All is not lost.  The police just been welcoming and unloading 20 plus voters from the back of a lorry.

And this behaviour transcends politics. Whilst I emphasize it was not politically motivated, look at the incident last week when a Tory activist was  standing outside High Barnet tube and had substance thrown in their face! Fortunately the substance did not harm the person but look at the risk someone runs when they are just trying to canvass.

yeah and the 2 Labour canvassers attacked both in their 70s 2 weeks ago  , not much in the news about that probably brave patriots who assaulted them maybe

Disgraceful, Anxious!

I thought Helmut Kohl and John Prescott had the right idea when dealing with people like that.

yep give them a Glasgow  Kiss

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How Wilson managed to keep the party together for so long with its competing factions was his greatest success imo. The likes of Roy Jenkins and James Callaghan on one side whilst placating Benn, Foot and Healey on the other was, as you say, no mean feat although I think Healey moved more to the centre as he got older.

His eyebrows certainly did!
As for Wilson, he was just a figment of peoples imagination, the actual prime minister was Mike Yarwood!

Stewarts "And I said this and the Brighton Conference!" (pipe out of mouth, eyes looking up at the ceiling whilst blinking profusely)!

Loved Mike Yarwood's impressions!

Harold Wilson used to like his beer in a silver tankard... I used to serve him in the Member's Dining Room there... grumpy old s*d.... one day I got distracted and as I was about to serve him his usual, my tray tilted right over his head and the tankard of beer slid violently and came within one second of spilling over his barnet… I got it in the nick of time.... well, I had heard rumours he was a Communist spy and look back and sometimes wish it had spilled.... he used to sit right by the window overlooking the river, and I was scared somebody would take a popshot at him, miss and hit me...

...regarding Boris Johnson... if anyone thinks he's ''far right'' or of that ilk, they will be disappointed... he has to function from a Centrist position... which may vere right and left at times but mainly centrist... he's also the only PM who mentioned support for GLBT when he took office, and some years ago he voted in favour of Trans rights on an important Division vote... he went against the party line there, along with John Bercow and Kenneth Clarke... also voting the same way as Jeremy Corbin and Diane Abbott...

Trump like?   doesn't seem like it to me..

Great story, Adelaide.

Agree with you about, Johnson.

you simply can't say that Adelaide.  He is a spiv and must at least be a Nazi.

My friends in mugmentum are telling me.

I did note he was kissing the dog - how can this be.  We eat them - or will when all the cows are gone.

He can't possibly be a nice man with all this doggy love.

Mind you if he can get rid of VAR  I might even vote for him and tear up my labour card ho ho

if he was a dog which he sometimes resembles would he have rabies