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pandora1963
04 Dec 19 09:22
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Would those unable to work through illness be looked after properly by the welfare state?

If somebody loses their job and has no savings would they be able to get social security payments until they find employment again?

Would my excellent Asian GP still be my Gp?

Would there still be trade unions?

Would the hard working immigrant family who have been here twenty years be allowed to stay?

Would the NHS still exist?
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Report Dr Crippen • December 4, 2019 9:38 AM GMT
Never mind Tommy Robinson becoming PM, he's not even an MP, the danger is Jeremy Corbyn being put in charge of running the country. He'd bankrupt us in no time.

The thought of another spiteful, free spending, taxing, borrowing set of Labour theorists grinding the country  into the ground again really does install fear in people.
Report dambuster • December 4, 2019 10:09 AM GMT
Id have Robinson over Corbyn anytime.i'm sure he would keep us a lot safer, they'd be less people in the country, i.e. immigrants who have always been on benefits would work or go and released prisoners from abroad would be deported, dangerous people would be locked up forever, if they were he's policies, he'd have millions to spend on other things,
Whereas the dangerous Corbyn, would oppose all of that, and we would go skint AGAIN under yet another labour govt.
I hope that answers your question
Report GAZO • December 4, 2019 11:19 AM GMT
crippen,i take it you mean bankrupt us quicker
Report Dr Crippen • December 4, 2019 11:46 AM GMT
GAZO,
I mean after a spell under Labour with their borrowing and free spending, we'd be facing another financial crisis and the spectre of the Tories having to be brought back to straighten out the economy with cuts and austerity.

Which is the same old routine we have to endure following every Labour term in office.
Report GAZO • December 4, 2019 11:52 AM GMT
we still have a deficit and nearly a £2 trillion pound debt and both party,s are saying the deficit will get bigger,so you mean who will bankrupt us quicker
Report salmon spray • December 4, 2019 11:52 AM GMT
It does look as though nobody has anything positive to say about Mr Robinson.
Report lux • December 4, 2019 11:58 AM GMT
Pandora

The answer to all your questions is unequivocally YES.

He is a centrist who opposes what is by any reasonable standard a genuinely far right ideology.
Report Dr Crippen • December 4, 2019 1:11 PM GMT
so you mean who will bankrupt us quicker

Labour will bankrupt the country as they've always done in the past.

I don't remember the Tories ever leaving the country bankrupt after a term in office.
Report geordie1956 • December 4, 2019 2:46 PM GMT
every gov't leaves a deficit ... the question is what have they done for the population whilst in power
the debt under the tories has increased beyond £1.8 trillion since 2010 ... and we have had austerity with diminishing returns ... awful
Report Get me a drink • December 4, 2019 4:05 PM GMT
One global, totalitarian government.

Orwellian nightmare is already starting, that's why there's exponential debt and immigration that no electorate would vote for in a million years. All main partys are the same beneath the veneer, like what flavour kool-aid would you like?
Report flushgordon1 • December 4, 2019 4:40 PM GMT
You have a Chinese gp?
Report Injera • December 4, 2019 5:34 PM GMT
No Muslim grooming gangs. Tick.

Every FGM case prosecuted. Tick

Zero immigration from Islamic ountries. Tick.

Feminists would vote for him, wouldn't they??
Report Dr Crippen • December 4, 2019 5:50 PM GMT
I must admit I could never see the downside to Tommy Robinson.

All he's doing is exposing certain groups that commit offences against children or hate the UK.
Report impossible123 • December 4, 2019 5:53 PM GMT
An extremely and impossibility fantasy.
Report moisok • December 4, 2019 6:00 PM GMT
love this one

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/pakistan-newspaper-besieged-islamists-calling-130511090.html
Report impossible123 • December 4, 2019 6:28 PM GMT
Sorry 'moisok', could you give a synopsis of the above, plz? I do not do youtube or any other non-mainstream video unless it's the horses (for education). Sorry!
Report superjudge • December 4, 2019 6:33 PM GMT
if robinson was pm now feel sure it would be a nicer place to live rather than the karzi it has become.
Report impossible123 • December 4, 2019 6:49 PM GMT
I'm not sure...he'd be too extreme for the course; just bring the dominant, arrogant and demanding community concerned down a peg or two. I think it's wrong and unnecessary to crack a nut  with a sledge hammer. But, I do agree the standard of immigrants entering has lowered significantly since the early 70's eg minicab drivers and catering staff (thus karzi) - too homogenise and not diversified enough ie too similar.
Report moisok • December 4, 2019 7:22 PM GMT
it was an article where islamists demonstrated against the linking of khan with pakistan over the london bridge/borough market attack
apparently the newspaper reporting this in pakistan is not popular for some of its frank reporting
Report impossible123 • December 4, 2019 7:27 PM GMT
Thanks. The truth hurts even for the arrogant, demanding and dominant obsess community - when the sh1t hits the fan....- it applies there too then. How ironic!.

Were they accused of being Islamophobic?
Report detraveller • December 4, 2019 8:16 PM GMT
Dawn identified the attacker in several reports as Usman Khan, “a UK national of Pakistani origin”...

A number of senior figures in Imran Khan’s government took issue with Dawn’s reporting, with science and technology minister Chaudhry Fawad Hussain tweeting to accuse the newspaper of a “cheap attempt to link a British terrorist to Pakistan”.

Shireen Mazari, Mr Khan’s human rights minister, shared the criticism and tweeted simply that “Dawn has its own agenda".


Not sure what they are up to in Pakistan but they have every right to be p1ssed at this. He is a british terrorist. End of. Also not of Pakistani origin since he was born in the UK according to the article. ...of Pakistani descent would probably have been the right term. The poor lad only went to Pakistan for higher education, that's all.

Also this is the same newspaper that claimed Pakistani military accepted that it was involved in the 2008 Mumbai attacks. They have history so the protests have probably nothing to do with what they published. Just a convenient time for the military to put more pressure on the newspaper.
Report saddo • December 4, 2019 9:40 PM GMT
detraveller 04 Dec 19 20:16 

Not sure what they are up to in Pakistan but they have every right to be p1ssed at this. He is a british terrorist.
...........................................

His terror was nowt to do with Britain, he was a Muslim terrorist.
Report moisok • December 4, 2019 9:45 PM GMT
let's just try and obfuscate  it is what he is always about
Report boxingthefox • December 4, 2019 9:47 PM GMT
Salman Abedi, the Manchester bomber was born in Manchester on New Year's Eve 1994 to Libyan parents. They fled Libya after becoming opponents of Colonel Gaddafi's regime.
Report boxingthefox • December 4, 2019 9:49 PM GMT
Saddo, ^^^^that fact must have been comforting to the victims.Cry. What's it like on planet simple.
Report saddo • December 4, 2019 9:53 PM GMT
I don't know, you tell us.
Report boxingthefox • December 4, 2019 9:54 PM GMT
Well worth another look guys, 'most muslims' are peaceful.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z_RAbOJcu0
Report boxingthefox • December 4, 2019 9:56 PM GMT

Dec 4, 2019 -- 9:53PM, saddo wrote:


I don't know, you tell us.


Says the grand master. Laugh. That's it you're not worth the time, prattle away we all know what you are.

Report moisok • December 4, 2019 9:56 PM GMT
is any one aware of the community's attitude to Prevent for instance

eye opening if you want to search

or sharia law  as another

or violence to achieve  objectives?

I ain't going to last much longer on here
Report saddo • December 4, 2019 9:57 PM GMT
'we all'  get you  Laugh
Report boxingthefox • December 4, 2019 9:59 PM GMT
Good suggestions mo. Wink
Report anxious • December 4, 2019 10:03 PM GMT
did not MI5 recruit abedis dad to go to libya
Report anxious • December 4, 2019 10:04 PM GMT
I think they did
Report anxious • December 4, 2019 10:07 PM GMT
Did not Britain send 4 billion and america send 14 billion of arms sales to saudi Arabia which were used in Yemen killing thousands in the civil war there
Report boxingthefox • December 4, 2019 10:11 PM GMT
hey anxWink I believe you are right, if you dont live on planet simple, then you CAN look at all the pieces that make up this fcked jigsaw
Report detraveller • December 4, 2019 11:11 PM GMT

Dec 4, 2019 -- 9:40PM, saddo wrote:


detraveller 04 Dec 19 20:16  Not sure what they are up to in Pakistan but they have every right to be p1ssed at this. He is a british terrorist. ...........................................His terror was nowt to do with Britain, he was a Muslim terrorist.


Not sure if you are joking or serious.

Report detraveller • December 4, 2019 11:12 PM GMT
Like i said, apart from his higher education in Pakistan, he was British. You can't really deny that.
Report flushgordon1 • December 5, 2019 8:20 AM GMT
Being born in a stable doesn't make you a horse.
Report edy • December 5, 2019 9:20 AM GMT
yes it does
Report boxingthefox • December 5, 2019 9:23 AM GMT
Ohhhhnooooo it doesn't. Grin
Report edy • December 5, 2019 9:51 AM GMT
Maybe not from the outside. Your physical appearance likely stays somewhat humanoid even if born and raised in a staple, but from inside you'll be a horse.
Report Dr Crippen • December 5, 2019 9:57 AM GMT
Whatever his appearance edy will always be a bitter old man.
Report flushgordon1 • December 5, 2019 9:57 AM GMT
Not if your staple diet is a bacon and eggs.
Report edy • December 5, 2019 10:00 AM GMT

Dec 5, 2019 -- 9:57AM, Dr Crippen wrote:


Whatever his appearance edy will always be a bitter old man.


I'm like fifty years your junior.

Report edy • December 5, 2019 10:01 AM GMT
So refer to me as a bitter mid-fourties man please.
Report flushgordon1 • December 5, 2019 10:01 AM GMT
Are you a little hoarse?
Report edy • December 5, 2019 10:04 AM GMT
I sometimes wish I was a stripey oss.
Report impossible123 • December 6, 2019 1:46 PM GMT
..."his higher education in Pakistan"...

Was that a euphemism for something else? I'd find it hard to believe this cowardice Islamic terrorist chose Pakistan for higher education  over The UK which is amongst the best in the world?

Anyway he's history, just hope he repents in whichever world he might be in post The UK.
Report detraveller • December 6, 2019 2:01 PM GMT
I meant the training camp or whatever he went to Pakistan for.
Report Whisperingdeath • December 6, 2019 2:25 PM GMT
If Steven was Prime Minister at least he would have a security detail and wouldn't have to scurry around like the rat in hiding he is! He would also have to skype the American President because he is not allowed there after his criminal attempt to enter the countryShocked!
Report moisok • December 6, 2019 2:51 PM GMT
but the usual obfuscaters (new word)  have been on saying he is nothing to do with pakistan etc etc etc  ha ha

now he is being buried there -
Report saddo • December 6, 2019 3:28 PM GMT
Nothing British about the vermin, apart from his birth certificate.
Report detraveller • December 6, 2019 11:28 PM GMT
It is understandable that you want to disown him. This is something we in the west do, and something i'd like to see more muslim countries, especially Pakistan, do.

But.

It was determined by the court in 2012 that even though this guy planned attacks in Kashmir, he wasn't aided by anyone from Pakistan, so his plans were made in England, not in Pakistan. He is also not of Pakistani origin. These are all facts that exist in writing, not opinions. So the Pakistanis were correct in protesting him being mentioned as of Pakistani origin.

And while everything about him points to him being British, you say he wasn't. Your opinion. Factually, it will be a wrong statement to make.

Plot twist:
He has been buried in Pakistan, apparently transported secretly Grin

It's a sign of the times, when British people prefer being buried in Pakistan. Who'd have thought!
Report boxingthefox • December 6, 2019 11:38 PM GMT
DT, correct. But that is, if I may say, a simplistic, pedantic, apathetic, view. Are you fishing?
Report boxingthefox • December 6, 2019 11:41 PM GMT
Sorry , I rrally must go to bed, computer off NOW, GN and GL.Love
Report boxingthefox • December 6, 2019 11:42 PM GMT
FFS, really.Sad
Report GRANTCKING • December 6, 2019 11:55 PM GMT
wow, so he was "british" but has been buried in Pakistan, lol
Report detraveller • December 6, 2019 11:56 PM GMT
It is not a view. As I stated, it is a fact. So no, im not fishing.

I am merely observing how times change. And how demographic shifts can result in scenarios like this, where a British guy isn't British enough for the British.

It is the future. Loss of identity for the British. Truly sad.
Report detraveller • December 6, 2019 11:57 PM GMT

Dec 6, 2019 -- 11:55PM, GRANTCKING wrote:


wow, so he was "british" but has been buried in Pakistan, lol


Yes G. Like the welsh guy who plays cricket for Pakistan Grin

Report GRANTCKING • December 6, 2019 11:58 PM GMT
imad wasim!
Report detraveller • December 6, 2019 11:58 PM GMT
Genau!
Report GRANTCKING • December 7, 2019 12:13 AM GMT
det, u doing the birds big bash?
Report detraveller • December 7, 2019 12:16 AM GMT
Think i'll pass. it's filth.
Report GRANTCKING • December 7, 2019 12:21 AM GMT
Grin
Report boxingthefox • December 7, 2019 12:41 AM GMT
Can't sleep (as usual) so back on here. Why do you guys post on the 'welchers' posts. Anybody who has been on here for a few years know he starts contentious 'Lefty' threads, but never posts afterwards. Only twice in the last 10 years, he obviously could'nt help himsef, Crazy
Report boxingthefox • December 7, 2019 12:43 AM GMT
Also you do know he works for BF so has to thread carefully, FFS what would he post if free to.
Report detraveller • December 7, 2019 12:52 AM GMT
Who is welcher?
Report boxingthefox • December 7, 2019 1:07 AM GMT
Hi DT, pandy, boasted he would take bets on  an 'outcome' on here  and renaged, (Look it up) he 'renaged' on that, in UK racing parlance not paying out on a bet is  called welching on a bet.
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