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Debden Park High School: Boy, 12, dead and five hurt in hit-and-run crash
A 12-year-old boy has died and five others were hurt in a hit-and-run crash near a school.
The crash happened near Debden Park High School in Loughton, Essex, at about 15:30 GMT.
Essex Police said there was likely to be a "serious and prolonged investigation" and have started a murder investigation.
Two 15-year-old boys, one 13-year-old boy, a 16-year-old girl and a 53-year-old woman were among those injured.
It is thought all the teenagers were pupils at the school.
The force has appealed for help locating a silver Ford KA, which a spokesperson said was "likely to have damage to [its] front".
Live: People hurt in 'serious' crash near school
Det Ch Insp Rob Kirby, of the Kent and Essex serious crime directorate, called the crash "a truly shocking incident".
"I would like to thank the many members of the public who have called us with information and spoken to our officers, as well as those who provided crucial medical assistance at the scene," he added.
Police earlier said Willingale Road could not be accessed from junctions on either side of the school and the area remains cordoned off.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-50637430
A 12-year-old boy has died and five others were hurt in a hit-and-run crash near a school.
The crash happened near Debden Park High School in Loughton, Essex, at about 15:30 GMT.
Essex Police said there was likely to be a "serious and prolonged investigation" and have started a murder investigation.
Two 15-year-old boys, one 13-year-old boy, a 16-year-old girl and a 53-year-old woman were among those injured.
It is thought all the teenagers were pupils at the school.
The force has appealed for help locating a silver Ford KA, which a spokesperson said was "likely to have damage to [its] front".
Live: People hurt in 'serious' crash near school
Det Ch Insp Rob Kirby, of the Kent and Essex serious crime directorate, called the crash "a truly shocking incident".
"I would like to thank the many members of the public who have called us with information and spoken to our officers, as well as those who provided crucial medical assistance at the scene," he added.
Police earlier said Willingale Road could not be accessed from junctions on either side of the school and the area remains cordoned off.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-50637430
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Uncorroborated reports that the car tried to run children down in nearby Roding, some 10 or so miles away, failed and then appeared again at Debden. 
Detectives are now searching for a silver Ford KA, which an Essex Police spokesman said was "likely to have damage to [its] front" and which failed to stop at the scene.
The force urged the public not to speculate on the circumstances or people involved in what it described as a "truly shocking" incident.
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The second sentence is a little worrying, they usually only care about speculation when the chaps are involved.
The force urged the public not to speculate on the circumstances or people involved in what it described as a "truly shocking" incident.
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The second sentence is a little worrying, they usually only care about speculation when the chaps are involved.
I thought it would be the little Ford Ka but it looks like they do a big one now which would be horrendous to be hit with.
Tried run people over in Roding ?? WTF is going on ?
All over once loc Mike turned handy. After missing it, Blitz a tad all over the place. Shows the benefit of a look round but sometimes get away with it. Such is racing.
Up now no Description lets hope its not one of the 74 Early Outs
Replying to @EssexPoliceUK @RealDannyTommo
Did the driver shout anything?
Did the driver shout anything?
Story from 2011. Might be this man.
An Essex man has been given a community order after pleading guilty to attempting to steal money from a charity box in a North Walsham church.
Terry Glover, of Newmans Lane, Loughton, pleaded guilty after seeing CCTV footage taken at St Nicholas Church on June 19 and July 29.
This afternoon, Norwich Magistrates’ Court heard that Glover, 43, could be seen near five wall-mounted donation boxes using a metal object.
Judith Piggin, prosecuting, said that on the second occasion he was spotted and the police were called.
She said: “His car was found and searched and in that was a map with various towns and villages circled.”
An Essex man has been given a community order after pleading guilty to attempting to steal money from a charity box in a North Walsham church.
Terry Glover, of Newmans Lane, Loughton, pleaded guilty after seeing CCTV footage taken at St Nicholas Church on June 19 and July 29.
This afternoon, Norwich Magistrates’ Court heard that Glover, 43, could be seen near five wall-mounted donation boxes using a metal object.
Judith Piggin, prosecuting, said that on the second occasion he was spotted and the police were called.
She said: “His car was found and searched and in that was a map with various towns and villages circled.”
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#BREAKING UPDATE: police are looking for a "Silver Ford" Ka license plate LS08 OKW.
- Collision deliberate hence murder investigation
- Local man, 51 Terry Glover.
The suspect is said to be a alcoholic.
Anyone who sees vehicle urged to call 999
#Lougton
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#BREAKING UPDATE: police are looking for a "Silver Ford" Ka license plate LS08 OKW.
- Collision deliberate hence murder investigation
- Local man, 51 Terry Glover.
The suspect is said to be a alcoholic.
Anyone who sees vehicle urged to call 999
#Lougton
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this is even worse than the stabbings on Friday ...why isn't the news reporting this so ?
Drunk Bloke tries to run Children over @ 2 schools , Very strange
This is a targeted attack , were the Victims white ??
This is a targeted attack , were the Victims white ??
No sense nor meaning in this Thought may actually have been a Racist attack but Victims white ...
Looks like might be a mental/drugs case, but did i hear police looking for another younger bloke as well?
Crazy carry on Poor Kid and his family ,Honestly thought could be asian people targetted happy its not , not that it makes much difference , young lad has lost his life
Poor Kid and his family ,Honestly thought could be asian people targetted happy its not , not that it makes much difference , young lad has lost his life
A 51-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of his murder, as well as the attempted murder of four other teenagers and a 23-year-old woman who were hurt in the crash.
poor little lad .... RIP young man
just wondering why there is no wholesale outrage over this delibate murder /attempted murder on this forum like there has been for other atrocities this last week ?
i just can't think why ?
just wondering why there is no wholesale outrage over this delibate murder /attempted murder on this forum like there has been for other atrocities this last week ?
i just can't think why ?
Hard to imagine your 12 year old kid goes to school and gets killed like that. I don't think I couldn't cope with that. So sad. What a pointless waste of young life.
Whether it's terrorism, mental health, drug/alcohol intoxication, etc, keep him locked-up and throw away the key for several decades; the sentence must reflect the crime and life taken - absolutely no excuse entertained.
mental health is the biggie .... far too many potential nut jobs ...but u can't lock them all up ...you'd need a hospital the size of Azerbaijan .
you have to look at modern life too ...it's stressful and causes a lot of problems ...too many people aren't suited to it
just wondering why there is no wholesale outrage over this delibate murder /attempted murder on this forum like there has been for other atrocities this last week ?
i just can't think why ?
Fishing, Coach? Stinking lousy bait mate.
A truly horrendous and despicable act for which the offender deserves nothing less than being hung. For cases such as this - and London Bridge the other day - where there is no doubt whatsoever of the culprit's guilt, the death penalty is an obvious option. Why don't we have it here? Fk the SJWs
RIP wee man and my sincere condolences to the family
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/devastated-family-of-harley-watson-12-pay-tribute-to-kind-helpful-and-lovely-boy-killed-in-hit-and-run-crash/ar-BBXHJET?
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i just can't think why ?
Fishing, Coach? Stinking lousy bait mate.
A truly horrendous and despicable act for which the offender deserves nothing less than being hung. For cases such as this - and London Bridge the other day - where there is no doubt whatsoever of the culprit's guilt, the death penalty is an obvious option. Why don't we have it here? Fk the SJWs
RIP wee man and my sincere condolences to the family
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/devastated-family-of-harley-watson-12-pay-tribute-to-kind-helpful-and-lovely-boy-killed-in-hit-and-run-crash/ar-BBXHJET?
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Dec 3, 2019 -- 7:09PM, trilby22 wrote:
just wondering why there is no wholesale outrage over this delibate murder /attempted murder on this forum like there has been for other atrocities this last week ? i just can't think why ? Fishing, Coach? Stinking lousy bait mate.A truly horrendous and despicable act for which the offender deserves nothing less than being hung. For cases such as this - and London Bridge the other day - where there is no doubt whatsoever of the culprit's guilt, the death penalty is an obvious option. Why don't we have it here? Fk the SJWs RIP wee man and my sincere condolences to the family https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/devastated-family-of-harley-watson-12-pay-tribute-to-kind-helpful-and-lovely-boy-killed-in-hit-and-run-crash/ar-BBXHJET?.
not fishing trilby lad ...just too many racist individuals on this forum who aren't really concerned about who is getting stabbed at all ,but more that they just want the streets cleaned of certain communities good and bad ,that's their only agenda ...weirdly enough didn't see any comments in the Mail either 
what is required is tackling mental health issues across all divides ...we are all affected by mental illness
Coach On many Occasions regarding the Stabbings I have said Innocent Black kids the Victims , Wrong Place wrong time you look at some of these Gang Types the wrong way and your dead ..
When I heard this Geezer was white I thought might have been a racist attack Against Asian Kids ,The world is full of Nutters
When I heard this Geezer was white I thought might have been a racist attack Against Asian Kids ,The world is full of Nutters
coach
both abhorrent acts for sure, but one is seated on an ideology that is a threat to free society.
that is the difference.
both abhorrent acts for sure, but one is seated on an ideology that is a threat to free society.
that is the difference.
Dec 3, 2019 -- 10:03PM, casemoney wrote:
Coach On many Occasions regarding the Stabbings I have said Innocent Black kids the Victims , Wrong Place wrong time you look at some of these Gang Types the wrong way and your dead ..When I heard this Geezer was white I thought might have been a racist attack Against Asian Kids ,The world is full of Nutters
I did understand for sure why you would've thought tht ...that was my first train of thought too ...like a 'revenge' attack similar to the ones in (Finsbury/ Cricklweood ?)
You do have to be on guard that's for sure ..and don't get me wrong , I still do a 'summing up' with certain people based on certain stereotypes (but people have to keep that in their heads )
Dec 3, 2019 -- 10:08PM, lux wrote:
coachboth abhorrent acts for sure, but one is seated on an ideology that is a threat to free society.that is the difference.
ideology .... but nutters are often brainwashed
i'm not sure of your point? Islam could certainly be considered a form of brainwashing.
The problem is that these are not the actions of an individual acting out a twisted or perverted version of Islam.
Like all Islamists, this is a guy aiming to act out and replicate as closely as possible the life of the prophet Mohammad , the actions of whom are considered perfect and immutable across all time.
It is the most literal interpretation of the Islamic faith.
The problem is that these are not the actions of an individual acting out a twisted or perverted version of Islam.
Like all Islamists, this is a guy aiming to act out and replicate as closely as possible the life of the prophet Mohammad , the actions of whom are considered perfect and immutable across all time.
It is the most literal interpretation of the Islamic faith.
i meant that nutters can be influenced to pull the trigger through many means ...films, video games ,peer pressure ,stress ,injustice ,self esteem issues .
I do agree that we need to be on the ball with radical groups ...but didn't we have bombings in London years ago on a regular basis? ...think i'd feel safer there today
I do agree that we need to be on the ball with radical groups ...but didn't we have bombings in London years ago on a regular basis? ...think i'd feel safer there today
Fair enough, although it is one particular group or influence - Islam, that seems to be, on a worldwide scale, the most cogent influencer of them all - 35,000+ terrorist atrocities since 9/11 and counting.
If the leading authorities on demographic study are to be believed, we are two or three generations away from an Islamic majority in the UK. Given the way Islam is implemented in majority countries worldwide this should clearly be of primary concern. Spikes of activity, such as the atrocity on friday, are a mere foreshadowing of what is to come.
Yet we have reached the point where we can’t even name the problem without fear of ostracism and retribution. Let alone discuss it openly.
If the leading authorities on demographic study are to be believed, we are two or three generations away from an Islamic majority in the UK. Given the way Islam is implemented in majority countries worldwide this should clearly be of primary concern. Spikes of activity, such as the atrocity on friday, are a mere foreshadowing of what is to come.
Yet we have reached the point where we can’t even name the problem without fear of ostracism and retribution. Let alone discuss it openly.
What will the History of this Nutter be , another early release case ?
i'm not sure of your point? Islam could certainly be considered a form of brainwashing.
and you don't think Christianity is a form of brainwashing? You obviously didn't got to a school run by the Christian Brothers of No Mercy!
and you don't think Christianity is a form of brainwashing? You obviously didn't got to a school run by the Christian Brothers of No Mercy!
and you don't think Christianity is a form of brainwashing? You obviously didn't got to a school run by the Christian Brothers of No Mercy!
Lots of ideologies might be considered a form of brainwashing. You could if you were feeling particularly uncharitable consider Christianity as such but it’s important to highlight a few key differences between the two faiths...
The Reformation. The Division between Church and State. The fact that the worst excesses of Christianity have long since been disavowed by the majority of Christians worldwide. The fact that in Christianity the most objectionable material is superseded by the New testament and the actions of Christ - Love thy Neighbour. Turn the other cheek.
With Islam however the converse is true. The early peaceful Meccan verses are superseded and abrogated by the violence in the Medinan verses and the actions of Mohammad - Pumped a nine year old, beheaded 600 Jews in an afternoon. About as Holy as Jimmy Saville’s c o c k.
Where are the seemingly endless supply of Christians blowing themselves up amongst fields of non-combatants? Absolutely no equivalency.
Lots of ideologies might be considered a form of brainwashing. You could if you were feeling particularly uncharitable consider Christianity as such but it’s important to highlight a few key differences between the two faiths...
The Reformation. The Division between Church and State. The fact that the worst excesses of Christianity have long since been disavowed by the majority of Christians worldwide. The fact that in Christianity the most objectionable material is superseded by the New testament and the actions of Christ - Love thy Neighbour. Turn the other cheek.
With Islam however the converse is true. The early peaceful Meccan verses are superseded and abrogated by the violence in the Medinan verses and the actions of Mohammad - Pumped a nine year old, beheaded 600 Jews in an afternoon. About as Holy as Jimmy Saville’s c o c k.
Where are the seemingly endless supply of Christians blowing themselves up amongst fields of non-combatants? Absolutely no equivalency.
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You haven't seen the War Graves in France have you
You haven't seen the War Graves in France have you
You could, I suppose if you were completely off your rocker, make the case that both world wars were Christian crusades...
but even so how might that be relevant to the way Christianity and Islam operate in the world today?
but even so how might that be relevant to the way Christianity and Islam operate in the world today?
Jehovah Witness brainwashes; Mormonism brainwashes; Scientology brainwashes. But, they do not enact their teachings/ideology in cowardice terrorist killings.
Stabbings of black youths: If authorities genuinely want a massive reduction in knife crimes it would have happened already eg implement draconian and very strict measures eg immediate imprisonment for carry a knife in person; stop 'n' search (person and vehicle); severe fine eg £10k for retailers if bought by underage individual.
I believe The UK are far too soft on this crime for fear of upsetting the community concerned on pc ground - elsewhere it would have been sorted ages ago, and not increased.
Stabbings of black youths: If authorities genuinely want a massive reduction in knife crimes it would have happened already eg implement draconian and very strict measures eg immediate imprisonment for carry a knife in person; stop 'n' search (person and vehicle); severe fine eg £10k for retailers if bought by underage individual.
I believe The UK are far too soft on this crime for fear of upsetting the community concerned on pc ground - elsewhere it would have been sorted ages ago, and not increased.
and how many people have died as a result of the invasion on Iraq since 2003?
Who was brainwashed Weapons of Mass Destruction!
Who was brainwashed Weapons of Mass Destruction!
they do not enact their teachings/ideology in cowardice terrorist killings
The Spanish Inquisition
Slavery
Colonialism
The Spanish Inquisition
Slavery
Colonialism
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The world has moved on; Spanish Inquisition, Slavery and Colonialism have been outlawed and consequences could be huge (unless/only used post major terrorism acts eg 9/11 (Guantanamo) - even that was unlawful. As the perpetrator was the USA (the lion in the world who were the victim too) a blind eye was turned by the rest of the world given their supremacy.
WMD: These the babies of Bush and his lapdog Blair (reason no knighthood post his Premiership).
The world has moved on; Spanish Inquisition, Slavery and Colonialism have been outlawed and consequences could be huge (unless/only used post major terrorism acts eg 9/11 (Guantanamo) - even that was unlawful. As the perpetrator was the USA (the lion in the world who were the victim too) a blind eye was turned by the rest of the world given their supremacy.
WMD: These the babies of Bush and his lapdog Blair (reason no knighthood post his Premiership).
Intention counts for quite a bit WD
Attempting to secure and stabilize a new democracy is one thing
Perpetuating totalitarian armed misogyny is quite another
Attempting to secure and stabilize a new democracy is one thing
Perpetuating totalitarian armed misogyny is quite another
Intentions do count lux.
The problem is that these are not the actions of an individual acting out a twisted or perverted version of Islam.
You are damming law abiding citizens who do no wrong and conform to the law of our land. Do you think every muslim is a terrorist?
You talk about brainwashing. Let me ask you why do we have a Church of England? Why can a Catholic not accede to the throne?
I don't particularly want to defend the muslim religion but after the muslims who is next? Socialist's, Trade Unionist's, handicapped?
The problem is that these are not the actions of an individual acting out a twisted or perverted version of Islam.
You are damming law abiding citizens who do no wrong and conform to the law of our land. Do you think every muslim is a terrorist?
You talk about brainwashing. Let me ask you why do we have a Church of England? Why can a Catholic not accede to the throne?
I don't particularly want to defend the muslim religion but after the muslims who is next? Socialist's, Trade Unionist's, handicapped?
Every religion has its shortcomings nevertheless, their followers did not run amok in the streets of London knifing or mowing down innocent bystanders to death.
I do not blame Islam however, I do blame its coward (too scared or unwilling to sacrifice their own lives) and "screwed-up" practitioners online or otherwise.
I do not blame Islam however, I do blame its coward (too scared or unwilling to sacrifice their own lives) and "screwed-up" practitioners online or otherwise.
You are damming law abiding citizens who do no wrong and conform to the law of our land. Do you think every muslim is a terrorist?
Islam is an ideology. Muslims are people and as such tend toward a relatively broad spectrum of views. Generally speaking, four main groups – Jihadists – Islamists - Conservatives – Nominals. So, in answer to your question, no I don’t think every muslim is a terrorist. However, given the way Islam is implemented in majority nations the world over, given a cursory glance at any of the major polls conducted into the attitudes of British Muslims and given that the Islamic school who control the majority of UK mosques are ultra conservative and anti-British - I do think that the well documented demographic shift should be cause for major concern. If current trends continue we are a matter of generations away from civilizational collapse.
I have nothing against Muslims personally. Condemning somebody over an accident of birth would be idiotic in the extreme.
Ultimately, a refusal to criticize Islam is to collude in the subjugation of Muslims (especially women) worldwide.
Islam is an ideology. Muslims are people and as such tend toward a relatively broad spectrum of views. Generally speaking, four main groups – Jihadists – Islamists - Conservatives – Nominals. So, in answer to your question, no I don’t think every muslim is a terrorist. However, given the way Islam is implemented in majority nations the world over, given a cursory glance at any of the major polls conducted into the attitudes of British Muslims and given that the Islamic school who control the majority of UK mosques are ultra conservative and anti-British - I do think that the well documented demographic shift should be cause for major concern. If current trends continue we are a matter of generations away from civilizational collapse.
I have nothing against Muslims personally. Condemning somebody over an accident of birth would be idiotic in the extreme.
Ultimately, a refusal to criticize Islam is to collude in the subjugation of Muslims (especially women) worldwide.
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