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I thought it was £58 billion (and that's Labour's figure).
Women Against State Pension Inequality. Just google - it's very topical.
No are you near the Age bracket if not perhaps a bit of Grey hair Dye and a Change of Wardrobe you can get urself on the List for a few quid ??
Wasn't a Waspi a Kind of Outer Corset Young ladies used to wear to Enhance an Hour Glass figure ?????????
Unforunately I have not Pic available in my Vast Archive ..
Unforunately I have not Pic available in my Vast Archive ..
For decades the State pension was paid at 65 for men and 60 for women. And the men died younger!!!
But unlike the aggressive feminists we just accepted it.
But unlike the aggressive feminists we just accepted it.
So just as Corbyn can pick and choose which bits of anti racism he likes,
he is also right behind women who can pick and choose which bits of equality they like!
he is also right behind women who can pick and choose which bits of equality they like!
what exactly are they wanting compensation for? surely working an extra 5 years will put more in their pension pot?
not necessarily as they may have already attained the maximum, but that of course also applies to the men of the same age.
If Corbyn makes these payments, he will be taken to court by, at the very least, the men who had their pension ages extended by the 2010 changes and I can't see any reason why he won't lose.
If Corbyn makes these payments, he will be taken to court by, at the very least, the men who had their pension ages extended by the 2010 changes and I can't see any reason why he won't lose.
BUYING VOTES , scandalous tbh ,Dave correct the whole lot will go up in the air ..
Most of Corbyns promises are legally doubtful, no one knows whether within the eu that you are allowed to re-nationalise rail networks.
This weekend 2 of the big 6(NG & SSE) have moved their home to outside the uk to protect themselves against the commies.
I dont like labour or the conservatives but how could you back labour, unless you want your own country to fail.
This weekend 2 of the big 6(NG & SSE) have moved their home to outside the uk to protect themselves against the commies.
I dont like labour or the conservatives but how could you back labour, unless you want your own country to fail.
lol the spiv filth supporting the private cowboys who own the rip off utilities , foreign owned and been ripping off the public for about 25 years . and still the idiots condone them ffs
think most people made their minds up about corbyn long ago. a few cheap bribes ain't gonna change many minds
It’s a red herring.corbyn knows he won’t be in a position to enact it,& if by any chance he forms a coalition he can blame the lib dums or snp for not being able to do it,just like the lib dums did with student loans
So ( thats the current word to preface every statement/question/comment, obviously, innit)
Wifey stacks up 32 years NIC payment record working in NHS and retires age 55 with the promise of a full State pension to follow at 60
Having retired - the State Pension rules change - a pension at a later date ( 66 and 3 months)- but not a full pension.
Her best friend is 3 months younger and she qualified for her state pension 18 months earlier.
If this had been a private pension the Trustees would be locked up. The principle is you cn only change a pension promise for all future service: past service years are locked in.
When I questioned our MP the answer from the civi servants is:
Current NICs payments fund current pensions in payment.
Paying NICs gives you no legal rights whatsoever to a state pension.
Think about that!
Wifey stacks up 32 years NIC payment record working in NHS and retires age 55 with the promise of a full State pension to follow at 60
Having retired - the State Pension rules change - a pension at a later date ( 66 and 3 months)- but not a full pension.
Her best friend is 3 months younger and she qualified for her state pension 18 months earlier.
If this had been a private pension the Trustees would be locked up. The principle is you cn only change a pension promise for all future service: past service years are locked in.
When I questioned our MP the answer from the civi servants is:
Current NICs payments fund current pensions in payment.
Paying NICs gives you no legal rights whatsoever to a state pension.
Think about that!
There have been about at least six major changes to the state pension in my working life. None of which were introduced accompanied by personal notice.
If the woman in your example has a date of 66 years and three months she has a DOB of 06/1960 approx so would only have been 50 or so when the 2010 changes were announced and therefore made her decision five years after and during a lot of publicity. Her three months younger best friend will qualify six months later or three months later in terms of age. Presumably you/they meant three months older? In that case she would retire six months earlier or three months by age.
In any change based on DOB there are going to be losers by age, that is unavoidable.
If the woman in your example has a date of 66 years and three months she has a DOB of 06/1960 approx so would only have been 50 or so when the 2010 changes were announced and therefore made her decision five years after and during a lot of publicity. Her three months younger best friend will qualify six months later or three months later in terms of age. Presumably you/they meant three months older? In that case she would retire six months earlier or three months by age.
In any change based on DOB there are going to be losers by age, that is unavoidable.
The reason for this change was inequality...against men...why are Labour funding sexism?
So that is a retirement date of 65 and three months and not 66 and three months as you stated. In addition she was never going to get the state pension at 60 under the 1995 changes. Also the "friend" used for comparison, presumably 3 months older, is of course the worse case scenario.
As I stated if payouts are made to women affected by the 2011 changes and none to men who had their ages increased, it will be impossible for a government to defend.
As I stated if payouts are made to women affected by the 2011 changes and none to men who had their ages increased, it will be impossible for a government to defend.
btw can any of these women reveal who told them they were getting any state pension?
I don’t believe any women were unaware of the changes to pension age as it was splashed in the newspapers and on the tv/radio news.My wife is one of those affected (born 1954) and I’m sure she’s had correspondence over the years from the government referring to the extension.
The furore being created is yet another example of people wanting to be compensated for their own stupidity or else just jumping on a bandwagon going nowhere.
The furore being created is yet another example of people wanting to be compensated for their own stupidity or else just jumping on a bandwagon going nowhere.
but my wife had already retired on rights to a full pension at age 63 - and then they changed the rules and after having left her job they lifted the age to 65 and 3 months on a reduced pension. Then we had to buy back her full pension rights with a lump sum of 2.5k
I have had to consider reducing the quality of the claret / single malt as a result. It just aint fair. I'm a victim here....
I have had to consider reducing the quality of the claret / single malt as a result. It just aint fair. I'm a victim here....
on a reduced pension
On the old rules she would have got £125 a week and she will now be getting £165 a week for a relatively tiny extra payment. What a greedy couple.
On the old rules she would have got £125 a week and she will now be getting £165 a week for a relatively tiny extra payment. What a greedy couple.
no Dave
after she stopped work the qualifying number of years for full pension was raised .
what was a full pension became a reduced pension.
we then at retirement paid in 4 years worth of NIC to raise her state pension to the max - which is well short of your mythical figure.
Dave - you are clueless-/ misinformed/ignorant of how state pension is calculated for - in her case- contracted out NHS pensions.
Consider - Labour Party calculate and are prepared to pay £27, 300 to put her back in the position she would have been in but for this theft.
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after she stopped work the qualifying number of years for full pension was raised .
what was a full pension became a reduced pension.
we then at retirement paid in 4 years worth of NIC to raise her state pension to the max - which is well short of your mythical figure.
Dave - you are clueless-/ misinformed/ignorant of how state pension is calculated for - in her case- contracted out NHS pensions.
Consider - Labour Party calculate and are prepared to pay £27, 300 to put her back in the position she would have been in but for this theft.
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You and your grasping wife are the clueless ones. I am familiar with every aspect of the changes to the state pension introduced in 2015. As she was contracted out and paid less NI your wife was to be paid the full basic pension without additional serps/ssp ie £120-£130. The transition to the new state pension locked in this amount. She didn't need to pay any extra to get it. The transition also made a deduction from the new level, for those who had paid less NICs due to contracting out, as it would clearly be inequitable to provide an increase in pension to people who had paid in less. Despite this it was possible for these people to build up to the new level by working for eight years or so after 2015. Or to make voluntary contributions (which are a tremendous bargain to those in decent health).
Your wife hasn't in the least been disadvantaged by the 2015 changes and there isn't a chance she is getting any compensation because of them.
Your wife hasn't in the least been disadvantaged by the 2015 changes and there isn't a chance she is getting any compensation because of them.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing - her new state pension - after paying the max lump sum to top it up - is £148
per week gross.
Dave - you are not entirely clueless , but you are wrong.
Just think about it for a moment : you retire early on a promise that you have paid in enough
NIC to get a full state pension - which will be increased from your date of retirement till you reach state pension age - and after you retire , without notification, the rules are changed; you end up with a later pension age, a reduced pension , a need to pay in a lump sum to partially bridge the gap. A friend who is 3 months older in the same position draws her pension 9 months longer based on age .
Consider:if there is no unfairness , why would the court of appeal be taking so long to consider these claims ( a case is still being considered) and why would Boris say he is sympathetic to these women and labour promise to compensate at such high levels - £27K+ in this instance.
It was the decision to escalate the decision to increase the State Pension Age so very late in the day , without notification, which hurt so many. It is theft on a grand scale.
The correct way to increase SPA is to apply these rules:
1. All past pension promises will be honoured
2. For the future NIC contributions, the new rules will apply based on a later SPA provision.
Then if anyone does not want to pay in based on the revised diluted state pension they can leave and work abroad.
Dave- if you had put into an investment vehicle with a promised maturity dt and towards the end of your contributions time you were told - no - you have to contribute for a further 5 years before vesting - you would be crying wolf!
per week gross.
Dave - you are not entirely clueless , but you are wrong.
Just think about it for a moment : you retire early on a promise that you have paid in enough
NIC to get a full state pension - which will be increased from your date of retirement till you reach state pension age - and after you retire , without notification, the rules are changed; you end up with a later pension age, a reduced pension , a need to pay in a lump sum to partially bridge the gap. A friend who is 3 months older in the same position draws her pension 9 months longer based on age .
Consider:if there is no unfairness , why would the court of appeal be taking so long to consider these claims ( a case is still being considered) and why would Boris say he is sympathetic to these women and labour promise to compensate at such high levels - £27K+ in this instance.
It was the decision to escalate the decision to increase the State Pension Age so very late in the day , without notification, which hurt so many. It is theft on a grand scale.
The correct way to increase SPA is to apply these rules:
1. All past pension promises will be honoured
2. For the future NIC contributions, the new rules will apply based on a later SPA provision.
Then if anyone does not want to pay in based on the revised diluted state pension they can leave and work abroad.
Dave- if you had put into an investment vehicle with a promised maturity dt and towards the end of your contributions time you were told - no - you have to contribute for a further 5 years before vesting - you would be crying wolf!
How do people who have never worked, have multiple children,have spent adult life in and out of jail or are physically and/or mentally disabled manage when they reach pensionable age??
If Labour win then any bloke born between 6 April 1950 and 6 April 1960 should immediately identify as female and put their hands up for a payout.
@lmfao You are the clown with a "little knowledge". When she worked, your wife didn't pay full NICs because she was contracted out. Her employer didn't pay full NICs either. Many people paid higher NICs along with their employers and as a result got a larger state pension. You and your grasping family seem to think that not only should your wife get an excellent public sector pension, she should be able to retire earlier than a man of the same age and on top of this get the full new state pension despite not having paid full NICs. The greed of the boomer generation knows no bounds.
Dave:
try to educate yourself.
full nic means full qualifying years
I was not suggesting that a contracted out individual with a private pension would get the same State pension as a contracted in person with same qualifying years; having worked hard and paid our taxes we are reduced to net income of just over £1k per week - thank god for Betfair and the mortgage is paid off and the solar panels and ivestment portfolio are performing.
We need this £27k to pay for our last trip on the Rovos train. Surely you can understand our need and the justness of this case?
try to educate yourself.
full nic means full qualifying years
I was not suggesting that a contracted out individual with a private pension would get the same State pension as a contracted in person with same qualifying years; having worked hard and paid our taxes we are reduced to net income of just over £1k per week - thank god for Betfair and the mortgage is paid off and the solar panels and ivestment portfolio are performing.
We need this £27k to pay for our last trip on the Rovos train. Surely you can understand our need and the justness of this case?
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