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"You should have known about the cladding"
"You should have known about the cladding"
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The decision by the Fire Chief to order people to stay in the building
may have been made on the belief NORMAL cladding had been used and so the fire could be contained. Still he should have been aware what cladding had been used. Only the Fire Chief will know whether the decisions he made on the night were correct.... he has to live with it for the rest of his life... I wish he had allowed people to leave I really do, but then I am not that Fire Officer |
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which is clearly me - how many doors propped open - what about the sub sub letter's who have been given immunity - overcrowding-defective household goods
and more coming all the time whole thing stinks |
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A gas pipe installed in the west London tower in 2016 remained exposed and ran through the supposedly protected stairwell area, the inquiry into the disaster heard, You can't make this stuff up.
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I am just thinking who was in the flats and what they could possibly have done whilst residing. I am such a nasty stirrer.
How often was this place visited - how often were safety officers visiting etc etc Of course if anyone had serious interest in the state of the place they surely would have flagged it up. Or would they be treading on the deadly PC(lose your job if you say it) line you would have to cross. |
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Nailed it mo.
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Who signed off on ANYTHING to do with this place that was just waiting to up
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you don't hear much about the guy who started it
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Now onto the next one the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea.
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Can't wait for them to go under the microscope.
 Right time for a nice cuppa. |
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The Claddig is made from a petrochemical, wool is anatural insulator with a high degree of flame resitance and is not a fuel in its own right
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Meanwhile a similar number of book lovers kill themselves cooking a full English on a train and it will be forgotten in 3 days.
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Meanwhile a similar number of book lovers kill themselves cooking a full English on a train and it will be forgotten in 3 days.
Kwality! |
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a bloke starts a fire at the near bottom of a junk filled, broken door roman candle and it was the fireman's fault
this is the stuff that they do at Lewes isn't it? and don't mind the sub letters or sub sub letters who we know nothing about or any others come to that wrapping the roman candle with silver foil was and even more fantastic idea what happened to the bloke who started it? |
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why wasn't it put out at source??
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was an even more etc
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Does anyone know why it would ever make sense to stay in a building that is on fire and not to try and get out ( irrespective of whatever cladding has been used )
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Good question lfc?
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in high-rise buildings isnt it something to do with the smoke in the stairwells
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Is that a question? Or answer?
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There was little point in anyone saying in their flats above the level of the fire
as it was not contained and they died. We have to try and learn from this to stop it happening again if possible We cannot bring the dead back r.i.p.. |
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staying
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Does anyone know why it would ever make sense to stay in a building which is on fire
As a repeat... When theses blocks were built each flat would have been a self contained unit in the event of a fire. Fire spread from flat to flat would have impossible from the outside as the exterior cladding (if any) would have been fire resistant. All hallways and stairs would have been free of materials, ceiling linings and wall coverings, which could ignite, so any fire coming from a flat into the circulation spaces couldn't increase nor spread. The liklihood of a fire spreading out from a flat on fire,into the circulation spaces, would be remote anyway as all flats would have, at least, a 30 minute fire door on them. Fire doors and smoke stop doors on all of the stairway approaches would have kept the stairs free from fire and/or smoke. As I said. Light a fire in one flat and, if properly maintained, that fire stays in that flat until the Fire Service arrives and puts it out. Try this for laughs... Put yourself on the top floor of a 20 storey block of flats. 2am the alarm of fire sounds. You have to wake-up, wake your family, get to the stairs (you can't use the lifts) and descend 40 flights of stairs with a couple of hundred other people. When you get out and stand around outside for an hour or so (if it's a false alarm) before going back in. This time you can use the lifts to get back to the 20th floor. Get back into bed, settle down, drift off and.... an hour later the alarm goes again. Do that 3 or 4 times a night for 4 nights (it happens, I know) and staying in your protected flat seems like a good idea. I know of blocks of flats where the alarms triggered, or fires occurred, dozens of times over months. Life in a semi-detached is a different world. |
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Fire resistant doors and smoke proof letter boxes are also fitted. That's to prevent smoke from leaving a burning flat and filling the corridors.
The disgrace in this enquiry is that they've focused on the rescue first and won't look at the building till next year. Probably be next November when that report is released. |
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Only this did not happen...the fire was not contained in the flat....
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Exactly.. the local authority building control department changed the game (cladding), the Fire Service didn't know the game had changed, so didn't change the rules.
Don't forget a certain amount of low level in-fighting goes on between local authorities and Fire Service fire safety depts. They have to liase on certain matters but... building control offices have been to college then onto university. They have degrees in building studies, architecture, codes of practice, etc,etc. That's their job, full time for 30 years. Fire Service fire safety officers joined the service as rank and file firefighters. Before that they were painters and decorators, lorry drivers, bank clerks and so on. Shortly after they'll be transferred back to operations or staff depts or training. You can see the animosity... why should I take advice from someone who wasn't here yesterday, won't be here tomorrow and isn't that qualified anyway?? It doesn't always happen but it sometimes does. |
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Grenfel tower would have been knocked down in the 90s if it was not for New Labour's open border policy. Tony you have killed again
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