hamilton on 6 world titles, but where is he rated in the greats of g prix

Pound for pound, not even the best British driver ever.

Alain Prost was probably the best technical driver . When a car was set up correctly no one was as fast as Prost
And he was more technically gifted at knowing how to do that than others

congratulations to lewis, he is right up there in the pantheon of all time sporting gods with phil taylor, eric bristow, steve davis and stephen hendry.

You forgot 'Big Daddy'.

Not a huge fan of Hami but well done to the lad.  Schmi defo nummer eins, imo.

Schumi

How's he getting on these days anyway?  Is he back home yet?

He will more than Likley break the record then retire just like every greatdriver before him

not a patch on Fangio; the "maestro" used to throw sewing machines around bends at over 100 mph;  eat dinner, drink 4 bottles of wine & then bang half of Monza. Still wearing his flat cap & scarf

Lived to a ripe old age too! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Manuel_Fangio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xg4Fr9SY04

The Formula1.com website states of Fangio: "Many consider him to be the greatest driver of all time."[3] Several highly successful later drivers, such as Jim Clark, Alain Prost, Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher, have been compared with Fangio, however the qualities required for success, levels of competition, and racing rules have changed over time.

"You must always strive to be the best, but you must never believe that you are."
—Juan Manuel Fangio[49]

His record of five World Championship titles stood for 45 years before German driver Michael Schumacher surpassed it in 2003. Schumacher said, "Fangio is on a level much higher than I see myself. What he did stands alone and what we have achieved is also unique. I have such respect for what he achieved. You can't take a personality like Fangio and compare him with what has happened today. There is not even the slightest comparison."[50][51] When Lewis Hamilton equaled Fangio's five titles in 2018 he praised Fangio calling him the "Godfather of our sport"[52]

Thanks Bap.  I had only heard his name before.  Shirly the best?

agostini was considered the best GP rider but Cooper kick his arse on the BSA rocket 3

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2016/april/mcn-plus---750-racing-cb/

all F1 drivers are nutcases to some degree, but driving those things around crappy arse racetracks compared to these days is just a completely different game. Much the same as the early pilots

Kin ell!

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2019/september/guy-martin-uk-speed-record/

Guy Martin set a new UK speed record of 270.965mph over a measured mile from a standing start last week – and now has his sights set on a world record of 300mph!

6 weeks ago

To win 6 world titles is some achievement  , bravo Lewis

my point about nutcases is very relevant when mentioning Guy Martin on a bike

For me the best driver ever i think was Ayrton Senna

You ain't kidding Bap!  The bloke's completely off his rocker.

I remember watching Senna crash, Anx.  A truly awful day

or in fact sitting on a bus

Yeah i remember it well was very sad , ruined a great day for me as United clinched the title with a 2-0 win at Ipswich

There was a documentary on a few months ago about Senna it was very good , apparently i think it was Imola 1994 and there doubts about the safety of the track weeks before

May 1st

Lewis has only had 4 poles this season but won 10 races! Leclerc had 7 poles but 2 wins.

Was only 34 Senna

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Ayrton_Senna

Back in them days was really dangerous niki lauda was very fortunate to escape when he crashed

I think that isle of man tt bike race was very dangerous too , quite a few died on that track

Lewis will never be the greatest coz he is the wrong colour and the racists fkn hate it.

If it was Junior or Senior Hill the press would be all over them
I remember Graham being on tv lots of times when the awards were up for grabs on brussels broadcasting

He is the complete racer - able to bring ailing cars home as well as blitz others wheel to wheel.

252 killed at Isle of Man tt

That's mental Anx.  Off their rockers those biker blokes.

Trilby the only thing you can say is these drivers must know the risks on such tracks and think Que Sera

one got killed yesterday in Japan; Moto race, Only 20

Hamilton is just so very good as a racer against others but also capable about thinking ahead as he races.  The recent 'nursing' of cars home is an indicator of that.  Listen to what Rosberg says about him.  An the Lauda stuff too when mercedes were 'a mess'  in rosberg's words.

not that I know fk all
it is going to be so absolutely interesting as Leclerc picks up the mantle with Vettel still there

verstappen still going hard at it  and how about Albon!!

If norris team can progress with that honda   the grid will be very exciting for F1 fans next year

isn't that nice

he sent greetings to ron dennis   thanks for spotting me in 2008

I am proud to see the union jack everywhere   - representing my country - eat it up all you racists and haters of britain

I teas a book about the story of the German motorcycle company MZ and the brilliant engine designer Walter Kaaden and works rider Ernst Debner the amount of fatalities in motocycle racing back in the 60s is eye watering. In the words of one top class rider 'you have to have a scant regards for life especially your own " to be a success in this game

oh yes and I forgot to add -  they are all mad as frogs (sorry french persons)  etc

there's a vid of LH, Mo grabbing a handful of Nicole Shirtswingers boob & shouting at the phone he was recording it on - "Look what i got"
a class act

John Surtees remains the greatest ,did it on two wheels and four.


John Surtees, who has died aged 83, was unique in being the only motorcycle as well as Formula One world champion. He had one of the most diverse careers in motorsport, competing in Formula Two as well as sports car racing, and ending as a constructor with his own Team Surtees.

Moving to Grand Prix car racing in 1960 after achieving seven motorcycle world titles, he became world champion with Ferrari four years later, a feat achieved by no one else in the history of motorsport before or since.

u can get the worst driver and put him in hamilton car and he would have a chance its the cars that are good not the drivers

id agree, I don't think hamilton is that great, just in a dominant car

jim clark wasn't just racing f1, he'd be competing in several race divisions in the same season, which is sadly how he eventually got killed, but for me was possibly the greatest ever race driver

I don't think the drivers aids and pit wall manipulation makes it a pure  watchable sport these days, when you see the most exciting part of a race is the pit stop it makes it all a bit of a farce

Hard to compare Hamilton to the likes of Fangio and Clark or even Senna.

What is clear is that he is the best of his generation without peer despite what the haters here think and more class than the likes of the Shoemaker who deliberately drove into another driver to secure one of his titles.

Senna once deliberately drove into another driver to secure one of his titles.

the best drivers end up in the best cars, the drivers are not chosen randomly, Hamilton in the same car as his teammate every year, has outperformed him 11 out of 13 times which shows it's not just the car it's him, last season he finised 160 points ahead of Bottas, this year the Ferrari's have had a competitive car with 9 poles and 3 wins from 19 races, on Schumacher I remember him deliberately stopping his care during qualifying on the trace at I think Monaco, meaning Alonso couldn't complete a lap and get pole, Schumacher had pole taken from him anyway though I think, still both great drivers.

I think Lewis Hamilton is very good, and certainly up with the likes of Prost, Lauda, Alonso and even Senna - Senna is very, very good. He certainly is better than Shumacher who was a good driver (in the best car) and who also deliberately steered into Damon Hill to win one of his 7 world titles. 

I also think Lewis Hamilton ought to be knighted - he did have the best car overall - given what he's achieved in Formula 1 (6x world champion); Andy Murray received a knighthood for winning one Wimbledon title.

biggest thing for me is his incessant moaning over the radio whenever he gets put put under pressure

never heard a bloke whine so much about his tyres, other drivers or the tactics when it goes wrong, the year he got done by Rosberg he cried almost every fecking race, poor loser and really insincere

he wasn't really done by Rosberg, Hamilton a few engine problems that season, 2 car retirements, couple of ERS failings in qualies and hydraulics issue in Singapore, even then he only finished 5 points behind, I think that's why Rosberg retired from the sport straight after, he knew he couldn't beat him generally so went out on top. All drivers update their team with issues, where he has raised his voice or gotten tetchy is when the mechanic suddenly drops in on him given him information at completely the wrong time, either when he's in battle or turning a corner and needing to concentrate more than usual, communication is meant to be well time for when their in a long straight or coming into pit.

not an expert by any means on F1 but hamilton has definitely won titles when not being in the best car - schumacher's no 2 was certainly never allowed to challenge him at ferrari

hardly any driver errors from him. compare that to the accident prone vettel

he whines like a girl

^^
He's allowed that - he's very good, and girls ain't bad either!

so would I if I was under pressure - that is why he is so good - not only when he is streets ahead but also when he is in trouble
did you see how he nursed his car home in the mexican Gp  when the pundits thought mercedes had screwed up the strategy

also you obviously haven't seen what rosberg said about him either - very complementary about how he behaves within the team

cheers buzzer got it !!!
I have been going to grand prixs silverstone etc and BOAC 500 at Brands which date me rather

I thought Hunt was one of the best as a DRIVER  - STewart was so very good too.
a lot of it is down to a driver working out how his car will work for HIM
Stewart was superb at that and had a great team around it and dominated for several years
that is what hamilton has - superb reflexes as a driver with an above average team around him who
can adapt.

a great team around him(stewart)  a lot of people didn't like stewart coz of his F1 politics (always on about safety) but he was right though wasn't he
also stewart dominated for so long which went against the grain

a bit like hamilton
then their is the hidden racism  - you have to laugh
if he was damon or his dad it would be a completely different ball game

i do hope Nicoles gush didn't alarm you too much. Mo

I am used to it comrade - us of the the dodgy persuasion are well into the beauty of waterfalls

Oct 27, 2019 -- 8:49PM, grappler wrote:

aside from the fact that f1 is not a sport. hamilton is a grotesque and absurd wanchor, with his filthy tribal markings, piercings, and ludicrously expensive shabby chic clobber. why does anyone care about the status of such a revolting piece of filth?only a tragic knobhead would consider evaluating his worthlessness, and theres no shortage of them on here. walofs this thread is.

Add a Citizen of Monaco, and you have nailed it. Finally who gives a shyre about this NON SPORT.

A fkn good driver ho ho

FFS.

Equal cars, give me Hunt all day long versus Hamilton.

As i said not even the best British driver................

Unless they can do it on two wheels it's a load of old f@nny.

But can he reverse an artic? That's sort the men from the boys

good point mac

you would marvel at my antics towing sidecars and solos on trailers to off road meets

I'll give you that moisok. If you can reverse a trailer a long way you can drive!

You might bet your house on Hunt the Shunt, I wouldn't but I would have loved to have goe out on the town with him after a race or even flown back with him on British Airways

Hunt was a true Champion in that respect!

I think reversing an artic takes some doing, but I'm sure given tuition and adequate practice Hamilton will be up to it. Hamilton is very good. He's quick; good with the brakes; can overtake; reads races well. All in all an accomplished F1 racer. Also, he's head ad shoulders above the rest including Verstappen.

I think he deserves a knighthood for his achievement.

hes a walloper.

some todger on five live monday was suggesting hes clearly better than senna and schu
as hes never taken out an opponent like they did.

It was Jack Nicholls, using that aspect of Hamilton's character as one of his justifications.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/formula1/50288385

well its utter garbage to even try and compare past drivers and current due to the technology.

Its like comapring a harrier jump jet pilot to a typhoon.

And that is part of what he said.

he should keep his trap shut then.

He's employed as a F1 commentator

cant he just sit and make car noises, its better content.

WD  you know Hunt was better at everything, girls booze all nighters AND moxy aligned with a real talent for speed, the 4 wheel kind......

These pampered dudes today just sit in the computer pit...............


As for backing up trailers etc, i was doing that at 15........

So what else did Hunt the Shunt win before Nikki Lauda self immolated?

Apart from World's Greatest Shagger of British Airways Stewardesses?

he is uppity and the wrong colour for about half I would guess

anyone considered where he started out from

Stevenage?

Chigwell?

council house - amazing to see where he got to

Admittedly Hunt was a tearaway with a short career, but he was fast and he had plenty of bottle, and you would get out of bed to watch him..

As a Brit, very very good.....

You wont see Hamilton drive around Nuremberg in those conditions and old car etc etc blah blah

Can't you just let me remember the glory days with a tint of Rose..A 1922

Until they do it on two wheels they are vaginal apertures.

Aren't racing car drivers just like jockeys?

As the one riding the best horse wins, so the driver steering the best car wins.

That must be true or he wouldn't be world champion.

If memory serves a team runs two (best) cars; two (best) cars = two world champions, right? Wrong.

tell vettel that

That's like when a trainer has two runners in the same race.

They take it in turns which one is going to win.

Vettel = Moore ie same car/horse, but different results.

Frankie Detroit to win the F1 championship driving for Mercedes next year and Lewis Hamilton to win the Derby.

^^And why not?

Let the favorite win most of the time.

Then let the second string win when the price is right.

top stuff on here  with the tory fanboys ripping into each other

And talking of second strings.

Selling plater

Aren't racing car drivers just like jockeys?

As the one riding the best horse wins, so the driver steering the best car wins.

That must be true or he wouldn't be world champion.

At last an understanding of crippen's flawed logic!

How is it determined which one is the better car?

crippen nailed it shirley!

so the driver steering the best car wins.


Doh

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