General election. Mistake by Boris?

I agree HGS, very risky for the reasons you mention.

Surely even corbyn realises this is his best chance??

Corbyn very much wants an election, the issue is that, like the Conservatives, his view is far from universal within the senior members of the parliamentary party.

He would have enough support to get this passed surely?

If the EU  confirm an extension in line with the one outlined in the unsigned letter, and the WAB is pulled, I am increasingly of the opinion that Labour should agree to an election.

Be aware that Trump will be in the UK on December 2 and 3 to attend the NATO summit.

Ultimately, if Corbyn chooses to take the election option, the party must support that choice.
The danger remains, however, the possibility of further tricks from Johnson.

Also on the horizon is a possibility of a mass sacking of 12,000 ASDA workers on November 2.

What's that all about asda angoose?

ASDA are attempting to change their terms and conditions. As you might imagine, the changes on offer are not beneficial for the staff. They have been threatened that the changes are on a take it or leave it basis, contracts will be terminated.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/asda-job-contract-walmart-gm...

About time some of these clowns in Westminster started thinking what's best for the British people instead of only thinking about their fecking party and themselves. A government in deadlock is no good for businesses,jobs and our economy longer term.

Probably should know more but are the staff there not part of a union?

Agreed, there are games being played on all sides.

ASDA workers part of GMB union.

Hopefully be resolved.

Johnson, as is his way, being disingenuous with the election offer. Claiming that he will give additional time to debate the WAB in the full knowledge that wrecking amendments will prevent it being concluded to his satisfaction.

Rather than accept this and move directly to an election, he wants to use this reality for political gain.

ASDA are probably feeling the pinch from LIDL and ALDI who have made big inroads into their market share. Probably this or redundancies in the offing.

I strongly suspect that the ASDA saga will be resolved, the management will make an improved offer.
The last thing they want or need is a staff shortage in the run up to Christmas.

ASDA profits increased in the last financial year, forget the exact figures but approximately 600 million after tax.

In September, the firm announced an increase in profits of 9.2 per cent on the previous year, along with a total operating profit of £803m.

Looks good for a deal then.

Trying to save the NI contributions,possibly ? Seems a strange move in the run up to xmas as you say,americans shooting themselves in the foot.

I will impose personal economic sanctions on ASDA if they do not make an improved offer.

Not that they will notice or care.

Too many MPs anxious to hang on to their £80ka year plus expenses

How on earth can ASDA sack 12,000 employees in ONE DAY.

They would then have to CLOSE ALL their Supermarkets, forthwith.

Will NOT happen.
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As for a General Election on Dec 12th ... NO chance ... NOBODY wants one.

The Public are p1ssed off with ALL the MPs ... and the turnout would be the lowest ever for a General Election - being just a fortnight before Christmas.

Like our Prime Minister, ASDA have resorted to making threats that they have no real intention of carrying out.

Arn’t ASDA one of the cheaper ‘big chains’?
I’d imagine they’d weather the storm better than the likes of Waitrose who are on the extremities.
I heard yesterday a big Tesco store in Sheffield has closed and ones that remain open are having deli counters etc reduced.

I heard a commentator say the other day a winter GE would be bad for the right wing vote as many of the bigots and selfish types are old and wouldn’t risk it going out to vote....it’s their old bones apparently don’t like cold weather much....so the younger lot will gain traction.

Boris, like the rest of the tory mob couldn’t give 2 s hits about country etc. They bribed the DUP, sacrificed the general good of the country to keep the ‘broad church’ together and harvest power at all expense and now are blackmailing parliament with threats of not showing them the deal unless they get what they want.

I don’t vote normally as it’s tacit agreement of a corrupt immoral system....but I will this time.

Don't send your kids to Eton. They will come home stupid !

Logical conclusion after Boris and Cameron went there. In short, 2 silly posh boys playing at politics !

It's a mistake for Labour if they agree as they'll get hammered I reckon.  Thata's why they are blagging, which fwiw isn't doing thenm any good.  Digging themselves into an even bigger hole by continually running away.  SNP will hose up in Scotland

You clearly can't trust Johnson with a bargepole, but the message is he's trying to get things done whilst the message Labour are giving is fudge, fudge, run away, run away.  Both of them are disingenuous toe rags.  But one disingenuous toe rag is winning the war hands down atm imo.

The BREXIT Party is the spanner in the works as w/o them in it I reckon Tories win a clear majority and BREXIT gets done.

"EU agree to delay but wont set a date until next week"

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!!!!!

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!!!!!

You need your brain totally smashed to a pulp

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!!!!!

Not only are Labour giving the message that they are fudging and running away, they give the feeeling that if they were to win there would be more delay and more dithering

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!!!!

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!!!!

ARE YOUUUU NOT ENTERRRRTAINED!!!!

Plus you have the institutional racism of Momentum (of which the public are much more conscious of now) and a shadow cabinet full of eejits

"The year is 4502 and the EU grant the UK their quarterly delay... but wont set a date until 4504"

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!

Keeps granting delays but no GE is ever allowed

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!

I think Labour may be wiped out in Scotland

SS
Take a deep breath and put a cool flannel over your face, you gunna burst man.

The brexit impasse is a tory originated monstrosity, back benchers working for their donars to get tax avoidence to a new level. They dont care about anything else.

"The brexit impasse is a tory originated monstrosity"

I don't think you'll find many people agreeing with that.  Only correct imo insofar as reckless Cameron called a referendum.  You can blame Farage/Labour(Corbyn in particular)/The Tories and the public for this fecking mess.

This came about because DC didnt want the continually waring backbenchers going over to the Ukips
Since that ref. the tories have had ample opportunity to get this mystical 'great deal'....only to deliver turd burgers that most agree are worse than what we already have.

Impossible to get better than we already have.  A Corbyn no show during the referendum campaign, a failure to tackle effectively the lies of Boris and Farage, a failure to in any way to address the complexity of the process (ok this was very difficuly tbf as the public wouldn't have been interested or wanted to believe it) and an extremely gullible and ill informed public

Politicians should have made the age limit 16 for a start

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!

Im watching QT now on iplayer, as with the major consensus the majority moan whenever anyone says anything counter brexit, and they all get voiciferous about leaving because 'we' voted for it. yet a little later everyone is agreeing the pitfalls to employment in certain areas as a result, mainly in the very regions that voted leave.
I completely am incredulous at how stupid the electorate actually is.
They are fools on the end of pieces of string.

I'd love to know where Bap is

He was adamant we were leaving on the 31st, even insulted people who questioned it

Looks like his hero Bozo was a spineless coward

Unlucky, bap

onlooker: How on earth can ASDA sack 12,000 employees in ONE DAY.

They would then have to CLOSE ALL their Supermarkets, forthwith.

Will NOT happen.


- But we can still dream..

Cameron (2015)  "It's me or chaos with Ed Miliband" 

We all know what happened next ......

Their record demonstrates clearly that they are the real party of chaos ! Maybe Ed would not have been such a bad choice after all. (?)

3 more days till you guys leave?

No, they have agreed an  extension until January. That's not the end of it, even if further extensions are granted. After a Brexit agreement, we go into a "temporary arrangement", where we try to agree a trade deal with the EU. That runs until at least Dec 2020 and will almost go on for another few years, since a trade agreement is extremely unlikely to be agreed by Dec 2020.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/a...

As for the general election, the tories would love to get an election in prior to the UK leaving the EU.
If an election followed a Brexit that will likely have a significant negative outcome for out economy, the tories may not get in power again for many years.
Many are likely to desert the tories at the next election and a coalition seems the likely outcome.

Labour are not going to allow a GE, but the Libs and SNP want an earlier GE now

I'd be more than happy to have a second referendum. I may not exactly agree with it, but at least we can confirm if brexit is still what the people want.

Yes - I still want Brexit... and even MORE.

Only been kept waiting for 3 and a half bloody years, now.

No matter what happens brexit isn't happening

They'd do what they've done for the past 3 and half years if it was voted leave again

I can't even be bothered to call them horrible names anymore, I'm all out of anger for them

"no deal must defiantly be off the table"

IT IS until at least the 31st January you scruffy old fart

No it ain't, read the letter.

If the EU allow the extension and boko signs it then its off the table for the time being

Have the election and then kick the can down the road some more

Oh yeah

He has accepted the extension and sent a letter.
However, the terms are that, upon ratification of the WAB, we could leave on either 1 Dec, 1 Jan, or 1 Feb.

Time for Labour to be destroyed and wiped out...

You hope tory fanboy , you will get a big big shock

Oct 28, 2019 -- 6:57PM, Angoose wrote:

He has accepted the extension and sent a letter.However, the terms are that, upon ratification of the WAB, we could leave on either 1 Dec, 1 Jan, or 1 Feb.

Funny that

They sneaked something in which gave them the excuse to vote down a GE then, so they could carry this charade on further



I thought it would be a short delay coupled with another short one next month, they were a bit more subtle with it but still painfully obvious

Why the need to stick that in? a delay until 31st Jan is just that, they didn't add any of these in before did they? making it up as they go

But they stick something in that basically means they "could leave" on the 1st December

So ho ho, down goes the hammer on any GE

Absolutely pitiful and pathetic

Its gotten boring saying this but

Its all a show *sigh*

It is essentially what was requested, the ability to leave upon ratification, the EU have simply put fixed dates rather in place.

Which means we get the whole "will they or wont they" call a GE because of that though

Yes requested exactly for the s*** show you are now witnessing again

Take that out and its harder for them to not call one, there's no ready made excuse in there for Corbyn for example

It really is boring now

They keep sticking ridiculous roadblocks in the way to kick this can further and further down the road

THEY are sticking the roadblocks in every time, and then blaming the other side

They are taking the absolute p***

And now we'll do it all again tomorrow but with a few twists

Who cares if they give you a vote?

It means jack s*** anyway, didn't people learn back in June 2016?

You vote for something you never get, that's democracy

Labour the anti democracy party from day 1 of the 2016 result...lied and lied, remainers all the way, blocking everything, brexit, elections...

The Remain campaigners delays are causing such uncertainty that business is completely paralysed and unable to plan and then the frauds have the barefaced cheek to blame Brexit for the uncertainty in business ! You couldn't have made fiction up like this.

labour are going to get slaughtered in a pre xmas election

Didnt Bullingdon vote twice not to pass Chairman mays deal

And the ERG nutters they voted against her deal too 3 times i think , strange isnt it

Oct 28, 2019 -- 8:17PM, elise wrote:

labour are going to get slaughtered in a pre xmas election

WIped out forever...the London bubble have no idea whats coming, much like the brexit result, safe Labour seats like Barnsley, Castleford etc, voted 70% leave, and scum like Yvette Cooper there mp behind the surrender bill!

All of its a show, anx

Those "deals" were beyond pathetic ffs

not forever, just until they resolve their policy issues and boot corbyn

Oct 28, 2019 -- 8:19PM, doridoru wrote:

Oct 28, 2019 --  8:17PM, elise wrote:labour are going to get slaughtered in a pre xmas electionWIped out forever...the London bubble have no idea whats coming, much like the brexit result, safe Labour seats like Barnsley, Castleford etc, voted 70% leave, and scum like Yvette Cooper there mp behind the surrender bill!

Wiped out forever lol , you need to  wipe your own arse first

^^^keep it up with your Ira, Hezbollah supporting party...

Not a word from Corbyn about the Isis leader death, probs off to the funeral the dirty basttard.

Not wanting to upset his core votes.

So he loses the vote then bypasses the Fixed Term act with a curve ball to get an election.

We all knew democracy was dead, but now it's deader..

you keep calm spiv fanboy and get your trident missiles polished

"they wont vote deal through, they wont give us another Referendum, they wont give us a General Election, they keep delaying deadlines, now they are delaying any votes for a General Election"

Yeap pretty much sums it up in one post

They need to go its as simple as that, demand the army go in and drag them out

"they are having votes to delay their own debates"

It would be funny if it wasn't facking true