39 dead bodies

Fifth arrest as part of Essex lorry deaths investigation

A man has been arrested as part of the investigation into the deaths of 39 migrants in a lorry in Essex.
The man, in his early 20s, was arrested at Dublin port in connection with an outstanding court order, police said.

It is understood that Essex Police has an interest in the man as part of their investigation into the deaths of eight women and 31 men found in the refrigerated trailer in an industrial park in Grays in the early hours of Wednesday.

Just one in every 100 sealed containers at Zeebrugge are x-rayed, and none are checked for heat, according to authorities at the Belgian port through which the 39 people found dead in the back of a lorry in Essex are believed to have travelled.

Joachim Coens, the chief executive of Zeebrugge port, and Peter Degroote, a harbourmaster, defended security at the port but admitted sealed containers were not checked inside and x-ray scans were only used – rarely – to check for goods, not the presence of humans.

Questions have been asked about security at the port, from where the lorry is believed to have travelled to the UK carrying the 39 people on Tuesday. Their bodies were discovered in the back of the lorry in an industrial estate in Grays early on Wednesday.

The container in which 39 people were found dead was part of a convoy of three lorries, relatives of the suspected victims say.
They believe that over 100 migrants were being brought to the UK on the lorries.
Two of the vehicles are thought to have completed their trips but the third, which was carrying the deceased victims, was delayed at an unknown location.
The eventual destinations of the two other containers are not known.

The driver has now been charged with manslaughter

A 25-year-old man from Northern Ireland has been charged with 39 counts of manslaughter and conspiracy to traffic people, Essex police said in connection with the discovery of 39 bodies in the back of a lorry in Essex.

Mo Robinson was arrested early on Wednesday morning after police were alerted to the discovery of 31 men and eight women found dead in the back of a lorry trailer in Grays, Essex.

Robinson had picked up the trailer, which had arrived in Purfleet from Zeebrugge, with his Scania lorry cab less than an hour earlier.

Mo Robinson has been charged with 39 counts of manslaughter over the Essex lorry deaths.

The 25-year-old will appear at Chelmsford Magistrates' Court on Monday also charged with conspiracy to traffic people, conspiracy to assist unlawful immigration and money laundering.

An Essex Police statement said: "The Crown Prosecution service has authorised Essex Police to charge a man in connection with the investigating the deaths of 39 people whose bodies were found in Grays on Wednesday.

"Maurice Robinson, 25, of Laurel Drive, Craigavon, Northern Ireland was arrested shortly after the discovery was made at the Waterglade Retail Park.

"He is due to appear at Chelmsford Magistrates' Court on Monday 28 October charged with 39 counts of manslaughter, conspiracy to traffic people, conspiracy to assist unlawful immigration and money laundering.

Oct 26, 2019 -- 4:07PM, ImSoLuckyLucky! wrote:

Seems the lorry was part of a 3 van convoyWhere do all these nail people get employed

Doesn't take long, does it.

Society and social cohesion depends on our ability to express compassion and measure our ‘wealth’ in how we treat the most vulnerable in our communities.

'conspiracy to assist unlawful immigration'

Interesting.... Our MSM never use the words 'unlawful' nor 'illegal'.

The BBC have a defined policy to describe all entrants as 'migrants' whether they be legal or not. The sooner we tell the world we're intolerant of ANY illegal entrants the better for us AND them.

Sadly the 'open borders' idiots wil keep encouraging people to spend their hard earned in order to get here. Many do and WILL die trying.

So.  Just how many come in every day.  Conspiracy theorists say this is all part of a plan.  Surely they cannot be right.

Felixstowe receives 200,000 containers a month but on one day five officers were involved in searching one container, the only search that day.

Building walls will not solve the problem, you need to address the root cause.
A concept that Donald Trump spectacularly fails to understand.

The report said: “Officers at one port said they had lost the majority of their experienced scanner drivers to earlier voluntary exit schemes designed to achieve budget reductions.”

Chief Inspector David Bolt said: “The numbers of clandestine arrivals identified at east coast ports had risen. The overall sense was that Border Force was stretched, in some instances too thinly, but coping.”

Angoose, walls keep people safe. It's why you have doors on your house, a fence, a hedge, a boundary.

People like you want open borders leading to thousands of peopele dying on route to golden streets that don't exist.

For those make a safe journey, they will face abuse, exploitation, low pay and shoddy accomodation.

The open borders lobby want cheap migrant labour. They want to create MASSIVE job opportunities, especially in the human trafficking sector. Not to mention in prostitution....

anx will e along shortly to explain Blairs open/border/door policy

tbf, even anx hates the slimeturd

from landan news it appears that albanians are top traffickers and drug boys etc etc  - they are next in line to join the  Federal Europe experiment

what has trump got to do with an open borders UK  - I thought he was president of the USA

i think it's only Germany who have made preconditions on Albanias succession to the federales. Maybe detraveller can help?

they are already here!!!  cops are warning people about this - amazing scenes

detraveller is here?

Perhaps the driver has turned queens evidence
Only serve 5 years in PRISION(OPEN)

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Drug taking scum of Ulster.


As i said....................

Injera, how can you possibly claim to know what I want in regard to border policy?
Jumping to conclusions is a very bad way to arrive at the truth.

You do, however, appear to present a somewhat contradictory argument in regard to open borders and dangerous journeys.
If borders were truly open, why would the journeys of migrants be dangerous?

IMMIGRANTS  not migrants

Who on earth wants open borders apart from the lunatic fringe?

oh sorry of course  goosebumps is an admirer of the open door welcome policy (which that copper blamed for the current situation)

For Sama is on ch4,ok big difference between asylum seekers(genuine) and economic migrants,only reason i am posting is the human factor and it isther on that.

Oct 26, 2019 -- 6:06PM, Baphornet wrote:

i think it's only Germany who have made preconditions on Albanias succession to the federales. Maybe detraveller can help?

I dont know what that means but will happily give my input if you can tell me what it is.

They have to make the country look less mafia run before they can enter

As for walls, they don't work. If entry is free for all and there's no one guarding the gate, what good is the wall?

So he was obviously under investigation before this tragedy something needs to change. Time to prosicute those who encourage illegal immigration

We have have had Bulgarians , Albanians and fook knows who else Mentioned as Running the Show ,Turns out its a Team of Paddies fookin ell China to Eire ,then the wheels fell off ... Did one of the London Bridge mob not arrive From Dublin ??

I think we need to be looking at little harder at what is coming in  from there tbh ...

I suggest the Punishment for Perps of this Type of Crime 7 DAYS

in a Freezer ...

Feel so Sorry for the people who died On the brink of what they thought would be a new Life ,had they made it  they

would have realised how wrong they were ...

Back in the Day there was Racism  , But eventually you got a Job a Room and made a Life ...   

NOW you are expoloited , By who , those who have been let into this Country Given full benefits , who are Ready to Direct

new arrivals to Their new Future   A future of Slavery Or Gang Rape , All Ignored and hidden away, another Hidden

Chapter in the Story of Diversity ...

Here's yer Man  ,No hanging about with Pics and a Name on this one by the Beeb

Any Grinder users on here ? This could end up a Disaster for the BEEB

It doesn't look good for this guy. Why would you call your cab the 'Polar Express' if you thought you were just picking up a refrigerated container of food? I bet he regrets calling it that now. Almost seems to be arrogant/flaunting it. It's like a reference to the Orient Express (similar journey) except it's frozen. They use refrigerated containers because they are sealed and not opened until the final destination and turn them down to -25C after they are sealed so that nothing inside will show on a thermal imaging camera at any checking point. This, despite only about 1% of lorries being scanned. Scumbags. The Vietnamese say there were 100 on 3 separate lorries and the other 2 got through. Apparently there was an unexpected delay with this one which is why they all froze and the others didn't.

Also, he seems to have driven his cab with no lorry on it from NI to the UK mainland via ferry to Holyhead and then all the way to London. Logistics is a big thing in the freight industry and every freight company has a logistics manager. You would never send a driver on a journey like that or use a driver that had to travel such a distance to start the delivery. It's different if the driver coming from NI is making a delivery on the way over to London but if not you would get a local driver in Essex to pick it up, reducing driver time and fuel and ferry costs, very basic stuff. And any driver who was sent on a trip like that would be thinking 'why are they sending me for this when they could just use a local driver?'.

They have him on money laundering charges as well, so there must be a money trail and he must have been getting paid well over the going rate for these deliveries. They send the container into the UK unaccompanied so that there is plausible deniability for the driver who collects it from the UK port - he can say 'I just picked it up and didn't have a clue what was in it and when I discovered the contents I immediately rang the police'. But going on such a trip and presumably getting very well paid for it would be enough to arouse the suspicions of any driver. Apparently, he told police he opened the container to get paperwork. That's nonsense, no way the shipping docs would be inside the sealed container. No container can move anywhere without these docs and no driver or ship would take one without them.

The only way they can do him for manslaughter is if they can prove he is part of a joint-enterprise, ie that he had some knowledge of the contents/operation. It is clear that he didn't cause their deaths as they were long dead before he picked up the container. So they are obviously confident that they can prove it, assuming he hasn't confessed and given them details of the operation in a bid to reduce his sentence.

There may well be an Irish element to this case but this guy is British, a loyalist from NI, the same guys who are propping the Tory government up, and the Belfast newspapers are saying that the route used is a know loyalist heroin smuggling route through Asia and Europe. There is talk that the guy who brought the container to Zebrugge is an Irish national but nothing confirmed just yet.

Angoose - you said this: 'Building walls will not solve the problem, you need to address the root cause.'

I'm guessing you believe the root cause is to improve the countries from where these people come from. I couldn't agree more.

But that doesn't mean (as detraveller says) we should have open borders and an amnesty for illegals who we foolishly call migrants!!!!

'Walls' are a deterrent. Prosecutions are a deterrent. Without them people will DIE.


You have a pop at Trump. This is the man who says he wants people to stay in their home countries to 'make their countries great again'

Who could possibly argue against that?!!!! Instead we in the UK bring skilled medical staff from 3rd world hellholes to staff our NHS. It's a despicable policy.

Our liberal attitude has created a market for slave traffickers. Merkel said come on in and thousands die each year trying. It's utter madness. Those who arrive safely are pimped out and/or employed in slave labour, housed like rats in filth.

Total madness.

And our International Health service looks after em all for free, legal or not.

Injera, we are indeed agreed on the need to improve conditions in countries around the globe.
We also agree on the need for border controls, truly open borders is not a feasible option.

I suspect that we will further agree that there are no easy solutions, and there are certainly no quick solutions.

just how many hundreds of thousands are pouring into this country illegally?

how many over the last 20 years?

Dismayed that Boris has pledged to give an amnesty to half a million of em, but seems a random number plucked from nowhere.

Time for biometric ID cards no card no treatment on the NHS instead of allocating NHS funds upfront only pay the NHS of the work it as carried out and only then if the paperwork as been correctly filled out

Is it possible they gave a better life in Vietnam than we do in the UK ?

Three people arrested in connection with the deaths of 39 people found in a lorry trailer in Grays, Essex, have been released on bail.

A man and a woman, both 38, from Warrington, were arrested in Cheshire on Friday and a 45-year-old man from Northern Ireland was arrested at Stansted later the same day.

All three had been questioned on suspicion of manslaughter and conspiracy to traffic people.

The man and the woman from Warrington were released on bail until 11 November, while the 45-year-old man was bailed until 13 November, Essex police said on Sunday.

possible they have a better life in Vietnam , and  are being sold something that doesn’t exist ?

The Foreign Office should be sending messages to all countries not to think about coming here illegally.

If you do you will be arrested and deported. NO AMNESTY.

Instead we get the softly, softly approach which indirectly leads to these tragedies.

The BBC ran a story about a Syrian man who took 55 days to get here. They were lauding him as some sort of hero. It was nauseating.

No mention of the need for men like him to stay, fight for and protect his country. Nor the fact he turned his nose up at umpteen European countries!

The papers are saying these vietnamese/chinese folk are paying up to 30k for travelling illegally to the UK. Why don't they just nip onto a scheduled flight and come over as holiday makers? Once here, vanish into the community.... I don't get it.

They do not have a better life in Vietnam. It is a very poor communist country with little freedom. They have a mudane life where work is hard to find and they will be poor for life. But they are not fleeing for their lives. The villages they come from in Vietnam are full of families who have gotten rich from sending their kids away to work illegally abroad. This is more of a a greed issue than anything else. It's not like a Syrian fleeing a warzone where his life is in danger.

They cost is £30k but they only pay a small deposit and the son/daughter then normally has 3 years to work off the rest or else they go after the family back home, which ensures the son/daughter will work to pay the debt. Vietnam and China are communist countries - you think it's easy to leave one of those?!

It can't be that hard, luxury buses full of em at any tourist destination these days.

It's easier for some, if you're connected or rich. These people are not.

Millions here can't afford a holiday, they are not breaking into wealthier countries as a result though.

What wealthier countries are you talking about?

Oct 27, 2019 -- 2:15PM, saddo wrote:

Millions here can't afford a holiday, they are not breaking into wealthier countries as a result though.

The fact that you can think a holiday has something to do with spending money and affordability is in itself a luxury.

Goldenvision Correct they could just come as Tourists and Disappear ???

Tourist visas are tougher to get for people under the age of 30. They have to prove they will go back, which is a very hard thing to prove.

UK's commercial education means it is very easy to get into UK on a study visa though. But Theresa May wrecked that in 2012 which resulted in many students leaving UK and going to France and Germany claiming asylum. Study visas are still easy and isn't more than a few k's of investment. The drawback is that your fingerprints are with the UKIB, which means you can't later claim to be from Afghanistan and escaping war etc. Hence the importance of arriving in UK unregistered. You can claim to be anyone.

They are willing to get into £30k of debt (about 10-15 years salary over there) and send their kids off with people traffickers. And some people on here think they can just float down to the airport, get a visa and hop on a plane instead at a fraction of the cost in a communist country. How clueless do you have to be to think that?

and hence the price tag, but I still can't believe the 30k figure.

And as someone above mentioned, this isn't the upfront payment. Upfront might still be only a few k's. The rest is paid back later when these people start working.

But it seems they were planing to live under the radar
so why not fly in

Tourist visas are almost impossible. Anyone familiar with immigration affairs knows they are rarely granted. Student visas are easy, but the people who come here aren't educated, so they can't just make up an education history and get admission in a university. Some girls were under 20. Could easily have gotten admission and arrived on a study visa but they probably never went to school.

They didn’t have a tourist or student  visa

Why not fly in ?

Visas LOL. They are communist countries. These people are not allowed to leave them FFS. They are peasants with no status, wealth or connection to power.

They had no problem leaving Vietnam

Millions of Chinese tourists in London

lurka, it's a trap.

They went to China and got false Chinese docs from the people traffickers. That's why the cops thought they were all Chinese initially. Travelling to another communist country wouldn't be nearly as difficult as to the West anyway but I'd imagine they were smuggled to China too.

As incomes grow it is estimated that as many as 7.5 million will travel overseas by 2021

* 7.5 million Vietnamese

But.  How many?

stand opposite big ben and you can see thousands.  Try getting from the underground and across westminster bridge - it's a scrum.

No problem leaving Vietnam - they went with people traffickers FFS. If you think they have no problem leaving and just decide to go with people traffickers at a huge cost/debt instead then I give up. It is a communist country. It is not easy to leave any communist country. That may change as they open up more but we are talking about now. People traffickers are not going to offer their services to people who can go to the airport instead. They are exploiting their situation and lack of wealth and freedom.

Millions of Chinese tourists in London - absolute nonsense. There were about 260,000 in the whole of the UK in 2016. Do you realise how many people there are in China and how small a fraction of the Chinese population that is? Most of them who come to the UK are on study visas but you need to have money to get one of those. The people we are talking about are paupers earning about £200 a month. The only way they can get to the UK is via people traffickers. If the fact that they went with people traffickers doesn't tell you that then you are a special kind of stupid.

I won't be surprised at all if all or the vast majority of the dead turn out to be Vietnamese.

Oct 27, 2019 -- 2:46PM, detraveller wrote:

lurka, it's a trap.

.

We are talking about tens of thousands of people . How can they vanish off the radar?
Everyone needs medical care from time to time . What about children they have here and schools
How do they avoid mentioning their origins when involved in official business that everyone has to engage in sooner or later
doesn’t make sense , the government must be turning a blind eye to this

Rather a hand over both eyes, and hoping we'd never notice.

Three people arrested in connection with the deaths of 39 people found dead inside a lorry in Essex have been released on bail.

Those bailed were a 46-year-old man from Northern Ireland, who was arrested at Stansted Airport on Friday, and Joanna and Thomas Maher, both 38, from Warrington, Cheshire.

Seems they suffocated
Refridegeration wasn't switched on

BUT HOW MANY???   each and every 'welcoming' port

Driver charged with offenses between Dec 1 last year and
October 24
No plea entered
Obviously
Because hes singing his heart out

Bangin the shitt outta his lambay

The tragedy has just highlighted the scale of the problem. According to Vietnamese family members, there were 100 or more in 3 trucks. Where are the others?

and they laughed when I said we had hit 70 million some time ago

120 commercial ports in the uk - just 10 per day - go on - as they say - do the maths -
actually no one knows - least the authorities

So people just learnt lorries can be used to smuggle people.

Now imagine how many would fit in a ferry.

I've only seen reports that the refigeration MAY not have been switched on and that they suffocated. But nothing confirmed. They guy who delivered the container to Zebrugge apparently told them it was biscuits and that refigeration didn't need to be switched on. The texts from the Vietnamese girl to her mother say that she couldn't breathe, so perhaps it wasn't switched on to freezing temps. However, using the tag 'Polar Express' on pics from previous journeys suggests that turning refigeration on to freezing temps is the normal modus operandi and this would ensure that thermal imaging cameras couldn't detect them.

The only charges relating to Dec 18 are in relation to receiving and concealing criminal property. Everything else relates to this particular journey only.

I highly doubt he is 'singing his heart out'. Yesterday's court hearing was not one where he would enter a plea and wasn't in the court which will deal with the case, it was in a lower court. Plea entry will happen in th higher court which will deal with it from next month. The people running this leg of the operation are loyalist terrorists based where his pregnant wife and family live and I'm sure they could get to him in prison as well. I'd imagine this entire haulage company is simply a front for the operation and does no legitimate haulage work and that they will be able to nab some others over time just by association and money trail without him giving them any inside info. They'd have charged a lot of others by now if he was singing his heart out. They have only questioned others and released them all on bail. The Irish cops have arrested one guy from NI but on unrelated charges.

Lurka is 100% correct, yesterdays hearing was in Chelmsford magistrates, all criminal cases start in the Magistrates court and depending on the severity of the charges are dealt with in the appropriate court.

Summary offences remain in the Magistrates (no jury, minor offences)

Either way can be heard in magistrates or crown court  ( you can elect for Crown Court Trial or choose to stay in the mags. Sometimes the mags will decline jurisdiction and send to Crown Court) This is a gamble, you are more likely to be found guilty in the magistrates than before a jury but the sentences are stiffer in the Crown.

Indictable only (most serious offences can only be dealt with at Crown Court) are sent to the Crown Court for a trial by jury. This is what happened yesterday and the next hearing will be in the Central Criminal Court (Old Bailey) on Nov 25.

The thing about yesterdays hearing that I found interesting.

Mo Robinson was represented by Julian Hayes Solicitor a partner with BCL of Lincolns Inn Fields.

https://www.bcl.com/people/

I would have expected Robinson to have applied for legal aid but this is not the case as BCL do not do cases on legal aid ( a lot of quality criminal firms will not touch legal aid cases as rates are too low and you also need a legal aid franchise which is a pain in the ****. This case would be a Very High Cost Case category 1 under legal aid where the rate would be £101.50 an hour, this is highest possible rate you can get on legal aid)

BCL are in the top 10 of Criminal Defence Solicitors in London, they represented Kieran Fallon in the Old Bailey Jockeys trial and Harry Redknapp in his Tax trial and many other very high profile clients. They would be charging at least £500 an hour and they will also be instructing expensive counsel more than likely from Cloth Fair Chambers. I  guess the trial would cost Robinson at least 500,000 in fees.

The question is, how can a truck driver afford these fees. Who is funding him?

Assuming he's guilty, its the big guys with their arse on the line that are funding his defense. In a developing country there would definitely be a politician involved. I doubt that's the case here but human smuggling requires a lot of influential people onboard.

Two brothers are wanted on suspicion of manslaughter after 39 people were found dead in a refrigerated trailer in Essex last week.

Ronan Hughes, 40, and Christopher Hughes, 34, both from Armagh in Northern Ireland, are also wanted on suspicion of human trafficking, Essex Police said on Tuesday.

The older brother also goes by the name Rowan, and both have links to the Republic of Ireland as well as Northern Ireland.
Police were called to the Waterglade Retail Park in Grays in the early hours of Wednesday after 39 bodies were discovered in a refrigerated trailer.

Detective Chief Superintendent Stuart Hooper, who is leading the investigation, said: "Finding and speaking to the Hughes brothers is crucial to our investigation.

"At this time we believe they are in Northern Ireland but they also have links to the Irish Republic.
"If you know where they are or have any information about their whereabouts I need you to call my team."

Oct 29, 2019 -- 11:31AM, detraveller wrote:

Assuming he's guilty, its the big guys with their arse on the line that are funding his defense. In a developing country there would definitely be a politician involved. I doubt that's the case here but human smuggling requires a lot of influential people onboard.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UBhN28eTuP8

let's quickly ignore the thousands that are coming in every day and concentrate on one 'appalling' case

cant imagine those little orange men funding his defence when arms need paying for

breadnbutter - I apologise for clashing with you but that must have been one of the mostest fairest trials in the defence of pigeons being slaughtered by the priviledged classes!!

A very peculiar situation as it now seems that though Mo is a staunch loyalist and Rangers fan, and at the bottom of this food chain, that he has indeed been 'employed' by the 'Ra'.

How this has occurred i don't know but can only hazard a guess it may have been related to Mo liking a toot(educated guess), but knowing that the Ra don't approve of drugs .Cannabis herb with an estimated street value of €3.2 million has been seized by gardaí in Co Louth.

The discovery was made after gardaí from the National Drugs and Organised Crime Bureau intercepted a commercial haulage vehicle in Ballymascanlon, near Dundalk.

The cannabis was found concealed within a consignment of fresh vegetables.

Two men, aged 57 and 42, from Britain and Northern Ireland have been  Oct29



So you will see the 'Hughes brothers' wanted from Monaghan/Armagh connections.

Dundalk btw is in the south bordering the bandit country of south Armagh in the north and the stronghold of this millionaire chap

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FYI

Lorry found in Belguim with 12 people from
refridegeration container
alive

2ND Orish driver
CHARGED with manslaughter

What the one living within the union?

30 more. But alive. In France.

Eight suspects have been held in Vietnam after 39 people were found dead in a lorry in Essex.

The arrests came as a team of Vietnamese officials arrived in Britain to help formally identify the 31 men and eight women.

The suspects are being held in relation to people smuggling offences, the director of police in the Nghe An province in north-central Vietnam said.

Two people were arrested in the Ha Tinh province of Vietnam last week.

how many will stay?