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We have got it so dangerously wrong on immigration, the reason why we had such a large industrial base was for two reasons, first we got the jump on the rest of the world with steam power and the industrial revolution, but this did not very last long the rest of the world soon caught up.
Secondly we had the empire but we no longer have the empire anymore.
Britain’s industrial base as been in decline since the mid 60s, however at more or less the same time we got the contraceptive pill, this has meant a big drop off in the birth rate. If it was not for mass immigration the population and industrial contraction would have been almost in tandem. Our population would now be less than 40 million and declining this would have meant redundancy for large parts of British cities that mushroomed in size during the last 200 years, we would have basically been able to demolish large parts of obsolete housing.
The cold hard facts are that we will never need the levels of population we now have in the UK and worse still we can’t feed everyone here we need to import greater amounts of food from abroad at the very time there is greater demand and competition for this food .
Secondly we had the empire but we no longer have the empire anymore.
Britain’s industrial base as been in decline since the mid 60s, however at more or less the same time we got the contraceptive pill, this has meant a big drop off in the birth rate. If it was not for mass immigration the population and industrial contraction would have been almost in tandem. Our population would now be less than 40 million and declining this would have meant redundancy for large parts of British cities that mushroomed in size during the last 200 years, we would have basically been able to demolish large parts of obsolete housing.
The cold hard facts are that we will never need the levels of population we now have in the UK and worse still we can’t feed everyone here we need to import greater amounts of food from abroad at the very time there is greater demand and competition for this food .
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Millions of apples have been left to rot in UK orchards as Brexit uncertainty worsens a labour shortfall, the National Farmers’ Union (NFU) has warned.
A shortage of pickers has forced farmers to leave tons of fruit and vegetables – the equivalent of 16 million apples – in fields and orchards, it said.
Brexit fears are fuelling a shortage of workers as more EU nationals are leaving the UK amid concerns about freedom of movement and stricter immigration checks, experts say.
A survey of growers, carried out by the NFU, found that 1,147 tons of apples have already been wasted during this year’s harvest – and the union warns the figure is likely to be higher.
“I think it is morally reprehensible that we are allowing this level of food waste,” said Ali Capper, chair of the NFU’s horticulture and potato board.
In August, the labour shortage was reported to be 17 per cent. Last month, it was 20 per cent, but experts fear the figure could be even higher this month.
Seasonal workers have been put off by the devaluation of sterling following the Brexit referendum and have left for jobs in other EU countries such as Germany, Netherlands and Denmark, the union said.
On the Brexit effect, Ms Capper said: “It has been about making people feel like they are not welcome here.
"It has been about question marks in terms of future status: ‘Can I come back next year? Will I need a passport? Can I continue to come on my work card? Will I get stopped at the border?’
A shortage of pickers has forced farmers to leave tons of fruit and vegetables – the equivalent of 16 million apples – in fields and orchards, it said.
Brexit fears are fuelling a shortage of workers as more EU nationals are leaving the UK amid concerns about freedom of movement and stricter immigration checks, experts say.
A survey of growers, carried out by the NFU, found that 1,147 tons of apples have already been wasted during this year’s harvest – and the union warns the figure is likely to be higher.
“I think it is morally reprehensible that we are allowing this level of food waste,” said Ali Capper, chair of the NFU’s horticulture and potato board.
In August, the labour shortage was reported to be 17 per cent. Last month, it was 20 per cent, but experts fear the figure could be even higher this month.
Seasonal workers have been put off by the devaluation of sterling following the Brexit referendum and have left for jobs in other EU countries such as Germany, Netherlands and Denmark, the union said.
On the Brexit effect, Ms Capper said: “It has been about making people feel like they are not welcome here.
"It has been about question marks in terms of future status: ‘Can I come back next year? Will I need a passport? Can I continue to come on my work card? Will I get stopped at the border?’
^^What a load of tripe.
Has anyone seen any shortages of fresh products in the shops?
Has anyone seen any shortages of fresh products in the shops?
@angoose not that your comment has real bearing on this post,but just so that you know the dutch use automation to pick their produce that is why in landsize they are the worlds biggest producers, in real terms only the USA grows more produce than the dutch.
Alan Johnson the Labour ex-minister, said some years ago that he's very relaxed about the UK population hitting 70 millions.
Labour actually wants a situation where standards of living plummet, simply because poor people tend to vote Labour.
So for them, a high population low wage economy with as many people claiming benefits as possible is highly desirable.
And too hell with quality of life for the masses.
Labour actually wants a situation where standards of living plummet, simply because poor people tend to vote Labour.
So for them, a high population low wage economy with as many people claiming benefits as possible is highly desirable.
And too hell with quality of life for the masses.
And to hell with quality of life for the masses.
There's you party of the workers, in a nutshell.
There's you party of the workers, in a nutshell.
There will be more vibrancy after Brexit so that's OK, except for any deluded fools who thought Brexit is about stopping immigration.
The mp's not bothered at all, they will be retired and move away...massive estates been built everywhere while the media cry "housing crisis" its a people immigration crisis!
Can somebody explain to me the logic behind such reckless population growth when the world is in crisis and food security is virtually nil? What kind of problems are we leaving our kids.
The kids are currently worrying themselves to death with Greta's outpourings.
No logic applied macarony, most of the newcomer heres breed at a furious rate, we help them to do so with benefits and tax credits. The next census will be eye watering, not long now.
All damage self inflicted and could have avoided. Some of these politicians must really hate this country
Can somebody explain to me the logic behind such reckless population growth
You will need someone to wipe your a*rse because your entitled kids won't!
Is that clear enough for you!
You will need someone to wipe your a*rse because your entitled kids won't!
Is that clear enough for you!
High immigration is initially about importing cheap labour, which erodes living standards for the working classes.
You only have to look around, quality of life is falling because we now have too many people.
And if you're a certain type of immigrant then it's a political issue.
They need as many of their own kind here in order to get their voices heard, with the ultimate aim of taking over all together.
You only have to look around, quality of life is falling because we now have too many people.
And if you're a certain type of immigrant then it's a political issue.
They need as many of their own kind here in order to get their voices heard, with the ultimate aim of taking over all together.
They need as many of their own kind here in order to get their voices heard, with the ultimate aim of taking over all together.
This is the type of asinine comment that beggars belief!
Do you really think people have have fled murder, rape, hunger, brutality are thinking I know if we get enough people to England we can take over?
That is moronic, pathetic and stupid!
Care to explain your takeover theory?
This is the type of asinine comment that beggars belief!
Do you really think people have have fled murder, rape, hunger, brutality are thinking I know if we get enough people to England we can take over?
That is moronic, pathetic and stupid!
Care to explain your takeover theory?
You will need someone to wipe your a*rse because your entitled kids won't!
So basically you don't have an answear for my question
So basically you don't have an answear for my question
That is moronic, pathetic and stupid!
Phew that stuck a nerve.
So what about London, who runs that now?
Phew that stuck a nerve.
So what about London, who runs that now?
it is as good an answer as any!
So what about London, who runs that now?
and better than most!
tbf I have to try and keep it simple in language these morons understand I mean what is the point in trying to explain that we have an elderly population?
So what about London, who runs that now?
and better than most!
tbf I have to try and keep it simple in language these morons understand I mean what is the point in trying to explain that we have an elderly population?
I mean seriously crippen,
are you just stupid or want to be insulting, or most probably both?
are you just stupid or want to be insulting, or most probably both?
Who runs the Labour party these days.
Why do they tolerate antisemitism?
Why do they tolerate antisemitism?
And calling people names simply shows your frustration because you can't take the truth.
I'll take that as a you are too stupid to be deliberately insulting!
Good day. I will leave you to your thoughts.
Good day. I will leave you to your thoughts.
Doc to be fair,this anti jew stuff is elite led,any wonder?
oh and if you try and take lfc's job in the village I will not be happy!
I'll take that as a you are too stupid to be deliberately insulting!
And I'll take it that you are too furious from hearing the truth to think straight.
And I'll take it that you are too furious from hearing the truth to think straight.
Has anyone actually heard someone say anything anti jewish on their travels or in the past? I haven't,and I certainly wouldn't take the word of anyone without the proof ie Labour.
that we have an elderly population?
People have always grew old but here is the thing 80% of 3 million expected increase in population is down to immigration what happens when they grow old do import another 30 million people to look after them?
People have always grew old but here is the thing 80% of 3 million expected increase in population is down to immigration what happens when they grow old do import another 30 million people to look after them?
Going back to OP - there were 50 million in UK in 1950. Why would the population be below 40 million now?
Japan has managed to cope with an aging population without importing people.
This looking after the aged seems a very weak argument for allowing mass immigration to ruin your standards of living.
This looking after the aged seems a very weak argument for allowing mass immigration to ruin your standards of living.
Going back to OP - there were 50 million in UK in 1950. Why would the population be below 40 million now?
Because of the introduction of the contraceptive pill that has dramatically reduced the birth rate
Because of the introduction of the contraceptive pill that has dramatically reduced the birth rate
Didn't the war crim Tony Blair state we were a multi-cultured and then started the ball rolling with opening the flood gates?
Millions of apples have been left to rot in UK orchards as Brexit uncertainty worsens a labour shortfall, the National Farmers’ Union (NFU) has warned.
A shortage of pickers has forced farmers to leave tons of fruit and vegetables – the equivalent of 16 million apples – in fields and orchards, it said.
You'd hope that they'd get together with local charities and foodbanks. Fwiw there's a residential square near me surrounded by I'd say 12-20 properties. In the square there were two large Bramley Apple trees full of fruit rotting.
A shortage of pickers has forced farmers to leave tons of fruit and vegetables – the equivalent of 16 million apples – in fields and orchards, it said.
You'd hope that they'd get together with local charities and foodbanks. Fwiw there's a residential square near me surrounded by I'd say 12-20 properties. In the square there were two large Bramley Apple trees full of fruit rotting.
Gonna need to see some figures that support that macarony. Find it highly doubtful that that figure is correct. (Not disputing the declining birth rate, obviously.)
Its an assumption on my part that because the birth rate had fallen by long way, back when I was at school most families had three or more kids, my parents generation was 5/6 if not more.
Who knows how far the population would have reduced I said 40 million because I thought It was a conservative estimate, the population might have been a lot less.
70 million plus people is far too many for our capabilities and the world population expected to hit 9.7 billion by 2050 according to the UN. We are in for a rough ride expect things to get a lot worse very soon
Who knows how far the population would have reduced I said 40 million because I thought It was a conservative estimate, the population might have been a lot less.
70 million plus people is far too many for our capabilities and the world population expected to hit 9.7 billion by 2050 according to the UN. We are in for a rough ride expect things to get a lot worse very soon
I think it's a grossly incorrect assumption. If I were clever enough, I'd try and disprove it...
Maybe someone smarter than either of us can come up with something more accurate than your "it's less than 40" or my "that can't be right"!
Mortality rate needs factoring in too, for one thing.
Oct 22, 2019 -- 1:33PM, macarony wrote:
that we have an elderly population? People have always grew old but here is the thing 80% of 3 million expected increase in population is down to immigration what happens when they grow old do import another 30 million people to look after them?
No. That's not how it works.
The immigrants have a different mindset. Did you wonder why their countries are out of control in terms of population? Its because they look at their kids as two more hands to earn money for the family, not as another mouth to feed or another human to look after, like we do in the west.
You won't need to import another 30 million when these get old because they will have multiplied by then.
we hit 70 million several years ago
re Labour
have you seen the candidates they are putting up? it tells a story
re Labour
have you seen the candidates they are putting up? it tells a story
whispering will only say you are lying when you prove him incorrect
just saying
just saying
I think you and crippen should have a run off to see which of you is better suited to challenge lfc for the title!
I got to be honest. You are both so stupid it will be hard to split you!
I got to be honest. You are both so stupid it will be hard to split you!
Breaking News: Immigrants (nearly all low paid and pay little tax) will grow old and need hospital and then nursing care.
Solution: import more migrants (who are low paid and pay little tax) to look after them.
Problem: those migrants will grow old and need hospital and nursing care.....
100m here we come. IMF, please can we extend our overdraft....
Solution: import more migrants (who are low paid and pay little tax) to look after them.
Problem: those migrants will grow old and need hospital and nursing care.....
100m here we come. IMF, please can we extend our overdraft....
Whisperingdeath seems to get hysterical very easily.
There's definitely something wrong there.
There's definitely something wrong there.
we hit 70 million several years ago
Another one asserting something without supporting evidence. When did population hit 70m? Source?
Another one asserting something without supporting evidence. When did population hit 70m? Source?
apart from no one knowing how many illegals (over a million)
what do the authorities actually know?
I understand industry, strategists, infrastructure planners and food suppliers go for anything from 70 to 80 billion
As someone who clearly knows all about this haggy how many do you think?
what do the authorities actually know?
I understand industry, strategists, infrastructure planners and food suppliers go for anything from 70 to 80 billion
As someone who clearly knows all about this haggy how many do you think?
I don't claim to know. I just don't accept your assertion that it's already 70m. I'll have a bet with you that the upcoming census is below 69m though, and assume the 1m illegals to be accurate.
The number of indigenous British living on these islands has remained constant @ 56,000,000 since the mid-70's . I'd wager this figure hasn't changed more than +/- 1% 
just toying with that word assertion
this is what they do with project fear/Remain/we are doomed without the support of the market etc etc
they assert that all will be bad
EVERYTHING
this is what they do with project fear/Remain/we are doomed without the support of the market etc etc
they assert that all will be bad
EVERYTHING
I can safely assure you we are getting the backing of Niger's premier. He is asking women not to have 7 babies(blaming it on islam) - going to pull back to 6 - so population can be controlled. So there.
What's odd to me is that not one single m p has stood up to be counted and said enoughs enough .we can't have these open borders and mass unchecked immigration
Not a one .
They all pi as
in the same pot
NOT A SINGLE ONE
Not a one .
They all pi as
in the same pot
NOT A SINGLE ONE
We are all to blame we just moan .and expect someone else to sort it out
I'm sure their constituence who voted them in would be more pleased if they stood up and told them that enoughs enough
Many Towns Swamped,with Sharia running the Show ,Of course many of our Luvvie friends will have nothing to do with Such areas
But will give full directions to them for any newcomers .....
But will give full directions to them for any newcomers .....
If Krankee and The SNP get their way , Plenty of Room for Building up there
Dear me the right wing filth on top form again tonight
Have you blocked me case like you said last week , dear me you cannot even debate now such is your fear lol
listening the same old populist slogans , little england still hopes eh
Census figures show almost a tenth of babies and toddlers in England and Wales are Muslim – nearly twice the proportion in the general population
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Almost a tenth of babies and toddlers in England and Wales are Muslim, declared the Times on its front page on Friday, indicating what it describes as a "startling shift" in the demographic trend in England and Wales. So where did the figures come from and are they as revealing as claimed?
Thats from the Guardian , Figures a Few years old , Would imagine an icrease since then .
General Population figure is Around 4.5 %
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Almost a tenth of babies and toddlers in England and Wales are Muslim, declared the Times on its front page on Friday, indicating what it describes as a "startling shift" in the demographic trend in England and Wales. So where did the figures come from and are they as revealing as claimed?
Thats from the Guardian , Figures a Few years old , Would imagine an icrease since then .
General Population figure is Around 4.5 %
I cant read what you are Writing Anxious So if it is in Reply to me , Don't Bother ..
20,000 / 300 constituencies - it doesn't take that much to move things.
I will tell my comrade anxious something
It only takes a couple of dozen to take a ward.
How many to take a constituency???
I will tell my comrade anxious something
It only takes a couple of dozen to take a ward.
How many to take a constituency???
The fact of the matter is the population growth is out of control 70 million today and growing by the day the UK is importing vast amounts of food from abroad already and we all know our dependency on imported food is only going to increase, its going to increase at the same time the world population is also increasing by 2050 estimates say there will 9.7 billion of us.
Will there be enough food for us all and can we still expect to buy food from the very countries that are driving population growth?
Yes we can grow enough food here if we adopt the Dutch way of farming but this would require capable politicians and something we just do not have.
Will there be enough food for us all and can we still expect to buy food from the very countries that are driving population growth?
Yes we can grow enough food here if we adopt the Dutch way of farming but this would require capable politicians and something we just do not have.
You say "the fact of the matter is" then state that 70m number again. It's not 70 million. Not yet, anyway.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/f6edadb2-f3ea-11e9-b018-3ef8794b17c6
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/f6edadb2-f3ea-11e9-b018-3ef8794b17c6
Messed that up...
https://amp.ft.com/content/f6edadb2-f3ea-11e9-b018-3ef8794b17c6
https://amp.ft.com/content/f6edadb2-f3ea-11e9-b018-3ef8794b17c6
Your nit picking it will 70 million soon enough and then more. We have big problems that can't be ignored, big decisions need to made and soon
Nitpicking? Stick to facts then. Population not predicted to hit 70m until 2031, according to that article in the FT.
Nitpicking? Stick to facts then. Population not predicted to hit 70m until 2031, according to that article in the FT.
So if you are not nit picking and attempting to drag the thread off topic then what is you are trying to say?
You know the UK's population is growing out of control and will be if not already be over 70 million very soon, you know we have problems and you also know nothing is getting done about it this is going to be a disaster in the near future.
So if you are not nit picking and attempting to drag the thread off topic then what is you are trying to say?
You know the UK's population is growing out of control and will be if not already be over 70 million very soon, you know we have problems and you also know nothing is getting done about it this is going to be a disaster in the near future.
I'm trying to say the population is NOT 70m and is not predicted to be until 2031. Sorry my previous post was so vague.
Do you accept it will be very soon officially there are where 67.6 million people in the UK as of 30 Sep 2019 this does not include any illegal immigrants. So very soon if not already the population will exceed 70 million either way there are far too many people here in the UK and that was my point in the first place sorry for being so vague.
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/uk-population/
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/uk-population/
Not sure it matters if it is 67.5 million or 70 million. The issues of food supply, schools, housing, traffic etc. etc. keep getting worse and will continue to do so.
partly due to an ageing poulation too ,so immigration is a mixed bag ,it has it's problems but you also need young bones ...you can't have a geriatric population
Just read that there are 3.5 million vegans in the UK. Once they die off from weakness, population levels should normalise.
Could have done without this one:
The Ethiopian refugee was found guilty of rape, intention to rape and two counts of false imprisonment at Birmingham Crown Court and was today handed a life sentence with a minimum of ten years behind bars.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7606127/Ethiopian-refugee-32-jailed-life-roaming-UK-trains-looking-women-rape.html
The Ethiopian refugee was found guilty of rape, intention to rape and two counts of false imprisonment at Birmingham Crown Court and was today handed a life sentence with a minimum of ten years behind bars.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7606127/Ethiopian-refugee-32-jailed-life-roaming-UK-trains-looking-women-rape.html
There is no housing crisis, there is an immigration crisis..
No he is help us out with our ageing population we need people like him
and others, up in front of the beak, flee back to saudi
Every single forum you go on asks for a halt to this insane mass immigration from the third world but not a single member of parliament will stand up and be counted
Because they all are afraid of saying what needs to be said and fear for their job
Because they all are afraid of saying what needs to be said and fear for their job
5% pop 10% Birth Rate , Guardian article forgot to to Mention the 15% Prison Population , No wonder Boris is investing in New prisons 
how many illegals coming in
how many ports are where they just waltz through
100 per day (three lorry loads - as per latest news about this ONE organisation)
300 plus days lets say 40,000 by ten ports ? 400,000 per year over how many years has it been going on??
77 million is spot on really isn't it.
no wonder government happily admit to 1.2 million illegals because it is many many more millions
how many ports are where they just waltz through
100 per day (three lorry loads - as per latest news about this ONE organisation)
300 plus days lets say 40,000 by ten ports ? 400,000 per year over how many years has it been going on??
77 million is spot on really isn't it.
no wonder government happily admit to 1.2 million illegals because it is many many more millions
We can continue to cover our countryside in houses to make room for em, or kick some back out. It's a tough one.
So with this in mind just how many people are living in the UK?
Several million more than the next official number in 2021 I would imagine.
It has been estimated that networks from Vietnam are smuggling around 18,000 people a year to Europe, but fewer than 1,000 a year to the United States.
For Vietnamese migrants, the UK is probably the most popular destination in Europe, says Dr Tamsin Barber, a lecturer in political sociology at Oxford-Brookes University
18k from just one country and security is almost non existent at these ports, the mind boggles at what the annual total might be. We need to up our game.
For Vietnamese migrants, the UK is probably the most popular destination in Europe, says Dr Tamsin Barber, a lecturer in political sociology at Oxford-Brookes University
18k from just one country and security is almost non existent at these ports, the mind boggles at what the annual total might be. We need to up our game.
1000 people a month per port in the uk just to be consevative and not be accused of scaremongering
how many does that make it
multiplied by 20 years ho ho
how many does that make it
multiplied by 20 years ho ho
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