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18 Oct 19 17:40
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Dear Supporter,

At this important time, I want to update you on The Brexit Party’s thoughts on Boris’ proposed deal. The truth is that it would be BRINO, Brexit in name only. We have always stood for a Clean-Break Brexit so we can maximise the Brexit opportunities.

This deal is still a really bad deal. Apart from unnecessarily paying £39 billion, the Political Declaration — which sets the basis for the future Free Trade Agreement with the EU — is full of traps and pitfalls. Despite the warm words, it will heavily restrict our foreign policy and military independence as well as policies on trade, tax, fishing, the environment, social and employment law, competition and state aid. We will have to operate on a “level playing field”. We would not be able to become a high growth, low tax, smartly regulated economy, which the EU is terrified that we could become.

If Boris’ treaty is passed, a transition period of over three years is likely — when we have no voice, no vote and no veto — as the EU sets new rules and laws that discriminate against us.

Any short-term temptation to back this deal will result in huge medium-term regret. It would be a historic mistake. A Clean-Break Brexit is still the right way forward.

With thanks,
Richard Tice
Chairman of The Brexit Party

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By:
trilby22
When: 18 Oct 19 18:20
So Boris Johnson has got a deal. And there have been two responses. One side is saying â€This is Brexit!’ The other side is saying â€This isn’t Brexit!’ Both feel wrong. No, spiked is not coming out in favour of Boris’s deal. On the contrary – we have profound concerns with it. In fact we view it as incredibly similar to Theresa May’s dreadful deal, as yet another fettering of the desire for national independence expressed by the Brexit vote. We will discuss that in more depth next week. But at the same time, we never thought of Brexit as something that could be delivered to us by the political class, whether May, Boris, Corbyn or anyone else. No, Brexit is a broader yearning for greater democracy, even for people power, and that yearning will not go away anytime soon. Whatever happens with this deal, the fight to re-democratise the UK against both foreign technocrats and domestic elitists will continue.

The Spanish authorities and Britain’s Remainer elite have a shared contempt for democracy.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/10/15/from-the-uk-to-catalonia-treating-voters-like-criminals/
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A referendum on independence denounced as a criminal enterprise. A public vote written off as immoral and illegal. Political figures threatened with imprisonment if they even dream of pursuing the public’s desire for a clean break from old political arrangements.

But that’s enough about the outlook of Britain’s Remainer elites – let’s now look at what is happening in Catalonia.

Spain’s authoritarian assault on the Catalan politicians who organised 2017’s unofficial independence referendum is deeply disturbing. You don’t have to be a supporter of independence for Catalonia to see that handing these politicians prison sentences of between nine and 13 years is profoundly illiberal and anti-democratic.

It is utterly clueless, too. It will backfire terribly for the Spanish authorities. It already is, in fact. Yesterday’s huge and rowdy protests in Barcelona confirm that people do not take kindly to seeing their political representatives being treated in such a tyrannical way. If Spain’s establishment thought that making political prisoners of the organisers of the Catalan referendum would put a lid on the Catalonia question, it is in for a rude and difficult shock.

The events in Catalonia feel shocking. (Not to Brussels, though, which seems quite relaxed about this authoritarian behaviour in one of its own member states, just as it has been chilled out, and even supportive, of President Macron’s relentless year-long assault on the gilets jaunes.) And yet they feel familiar, too. The authorities’ insistence that a referendum was wicked, dangerous and fundamentally criminal – haven’t we heard that before?

Yes, we have. From Britain’s own Remainer establishment and Remainer chattering classes. For three years now, these arch anti-democrats have been denouncing the EU referendum as a corrupted event, even as a criminal event.

From Carole Cadwalladr’s conspiracy theories about Brexit being a â€criminal enterprise’ to mainstream politicians insisting the referendum result is illegitimate because the whole thing was hijacked by evil Russians or dodgy businessmen, there has been a palpable effort within the elite to depict Brexit as a crime.

Indeed, Leave campaigners were reported not only to the Electoral Commission but also the National Crime Agency. The NCA’s investigation of aspects of a Leave group’s funding got the Remainer elites very excited. They were sorely disappointed when it ruled that no crimes had been committed. Because, like Spain’s authoritarians, they wanted this independence referendum to be judged a criminal act.

Remainers even fantasise about imprisoning those who pursue a clean-break Brexit. Witness the glee with which they inform Boris Johnson and others that they could end up in the slammer if they act against the Benn Bill that forbids a No Deal Brexit without parliament’s approval. As the Guardian put it, â€Legal experts have warned that Boris Johnson could face prison if he refuses to abide by the bill’. The anti-democratic activist Femi Oluwole has fantasised about Boris being jailed for 20 years.

The Spanish authorities’ jailing of Catalan independence campaigners is horrendous. All democrats should oppose it. But here’s a disturbing truth: the Spanish elite has only done to independence campaigners in Catalonia what British Remainers fantasise about doing to us Brexiteers.

In fact, Remainers’ fantasies – if they ever came true – would be even worse than what Spain has done. Spain heavy-handedly clamped down on the organisers of an unofficial referendum – Remainers want to criminalise and overturn an entirely legitimate, entirely democratic referendum. That’s how far these people have gone down the road of authoritarianism.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 18 Oct 19 18:25
All going off in Barcelona at the moment.
By:
mafeking
When: 18 Oct 19 18:28
only time i've agreed with nicola sturgeon on anything

i can't abide her and blackford amongst others in the SNP but having them carted off to the nick for a 10 stretch on trumped up political charges for standing up to the government is quite another thing entirely
By:
lybertyne
When: 18 Oct 19 19:17
ÂŁ39,000,000,000

'Transition Period' until the end of 2020, with an optional (inevitable) 2-year extension to 2022, plus however many more 'extensions' dreamed up in the meantime.

It's No from me.
By:
UBLE/REGY
When: 18 Oct 19 19:28
Then we stay in.

There seems no alternative.
By:
Baphornet
When: 18 Oct 19 19:30
it's all going swimmingly for Bozo. He's done what he said he would; everything the dummies do now will just make an election win more inevitable
By:
sageform
When: 18 Oct 19 19:32
Barcelona will keep the EU occupied for a while.
By:
trilby22
When: 18 Oct 19 19:33
Then we stay in.

Zat has been ze plan from ze start!
By:
trilby22
When: 18 Oct 19 19:34
EU will give Spain permission to do wtf they want.
By:
trilby22
When: 18 Oct 19 19:34
Sorry, the 4th Reich.
By:
Baphornet
When: 18 Oct 19 19:43
lets hope so Mr T
By:
trilby22
When: 18 Oct 19 19:49
Good evening Mr B.  Did you hear the LibDumb Porridge woman I posted on your QT fred?  Deputy leader?  Ffs LaughLaughLaugh
By:
Baphornet
When: 18 Oct 19 20:03
i sure didi & thanks for the laugh. What a numptyarse of a so-called Party. The SNP one on QT last night should be committed. And these cretins along with Bercoward are running Parliament
By:
Foinavon
When: 18 Oct 19 20:55
Don't forget what has been happening on the streets of France since last November. There have been numerous injuries many serious and some deaths due to police action to disperse protesters. Why is our media not reporting this to any meaningful extent while giving extended coverage to Hong Kong?
By:
pa lapsy
When: 18 Oct 19 21:29
Wouldn't it be great for Northern Ireland though,best of both worlds,win win for them.
By:
moisok
When: 18 Oct 19 21:35
That is a nice thought  pa lapsy  - love it in fact.
By:
moisok
When: 18 Oct 19 21:36
all the ladybird factories (are any still around) all those irish lasses working in them and the 'Fish Squadron' we used to keep there - jolly times were had by all

slurp!!!Love
By:
pa lapsy
When: 18 Oct 19 21:37
Thanks Moisok, wouldn't it be great after all they have been through to have a new prosperous NI?
By:
moisok
When: 18 Oct 19 21:38
that was londonderry  or derry depending on which tribe you were
By:
pa lapsy
When: 18 Oct 19 21:39
Time todo away with the "tribes" Moisok
By:
moisok
When: 18 Oct 19 21:42
I am a Mercian.   grrrrrrr!!!  also known to purr!!!!  mainly
By:
pa lapsy
When: 18 Oct 19 21:47
Haha,so long since i heard "Mercia",seems a civilised place these days though maybe not in days of yore.
By:
moisok
When: 18 Oct 19 22:14
vast quantities of mead etc is guzzled on feast days

I make sure there are a many merry mercians most months etc
By:
pa lapsy
When: 18 Oct 19 22:27
Great stuff,i am a big fan of honey infused dribks myself and feck the begrudgers!, saying that it should be when you feel like it as the "feast days" can tend to get over boisterous with too much emphasis on the feast days which mightn't be as important as some think.
By:
casemoney
When: 18 Oct 19 23:42
I have had Enuff of The Lot it,  that C@nt Cameron and His Sidekick Gideon Have a lot to Answer For

But what has Been exposed ,is what were are Dealing with in the Country  CIV LIB LUVVIE SHYTE ... and foooking Plenty of it

Grin
By:
trilby22
When: 19 Oct 19 19:16
Dear Supporter,

We all want to leave the EU on October 31st, and we’ve all had enough of the parliamentary games. The hard fact is, however, that the Prime Minister’s deal is not the proper Brexit that 17.4m of us voted for. Anybody who believes in a true Brexit should oppose it.

Last night in Westminster, Nigel Farage gave a devastating analysis of what’s wrong with the deal – and why a Clean-Break Brexit is the best option for Britain.

https://www.facebook.com/nigelfarageofficial/videos/1516837148459592/?v=1516837148459592
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A new independent analysis of the deal by Brexit Facts4EU.Org, compiled with legal advice, spells out 10 ways in which Boris’ new EU treaty is not Brexit.

https://facts4eu.org/static/media/factsheet_7_eu_colonisation_treaty_v01.pdf
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The reality is that we need a General Election so that a Leave alliance can deliver a thumping majority for a proper Brexit.

Kind Regards,



Richard Tice
Chairman of The Brexit Party
By:
Angoose
When: 19 Oct 19 19:25
Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party chairman, Richard Tice, is facing calls to “urgently” address concerns about his family’s links to offshore tax havens, after an investigation by openDemocracy today reveals that two offshore firms own large shareholdings in his family’s business.

The Brexit Party MEP has also been urged to stand down from the European Parliament's Economic and Monetary Affairs Committee, which oversees EU tax policy, until the matter is fully investigated.

Tice, a co-founder of Arron Banks’s Leave.EU, says he has no knowledge of who runs two offshore companies that have held shares for over 25 years in his family business, Sunley Family Limited, and which now own a combined 42% stake. Tice denies any financial interests of the offshore companies.

Politicians and international tax experts have today demanded Tice “urgently clarify” who is behind these companies. John Christensen of the Tax Justice Network said: “Tice and his fellow Brexit travellers have called for â€taking back control’ yet nothing undermines parliamentary democracy in Britain more than offshore tax havens.”

Molly Scott Cato MEP, who sits with Tice on the European Parliament's Economic and Monetary Affairs Committee, said: "If it turns out that Richard Tice has been dodging taxes then there would be an obvious conflict of interest with his role on the committee that oversees EU tax policy on behalf of European citizens.”

She has called for Tice to stand down from the committee “until we can be sure that he is not taking advantage of the very tax havens that are enabling the rich and powerful to evade their social responsibility to pay tax”.

Richard Tice was a director of Sunley Family Limited for 25 years until 2017, and remains one of the single largest shareholders, alongside several family members. Sunley Family Limited appears to pay £1.2m tax on a profit of £15.7m in the four years to 2017 – an effective tax rate of 7%, according to calculations by openDemocracy.

In Al Jazeera’s 'Head to Head' series, due to be aired in the UK at 9pm tonight, the commentator Ash Sarkar has asked Tice: “Why should we trust you on the direction of this country when a company that you set up, most of its dividends go through tax havens?”

Tice denied this was the case, saying: “I’m a UK taxpayer. I was one of the shareholders, there were about a dozen shareholders in that business. There were UK shareholders and they pay UK tax.” He has also confirmed that his family does not, nor ever has, received dividends from these companies.

Responding to Tice’s statement that he doesn’t know who is behind the Panama and British Virgin Islands-based firms that control a 42% stake in his family business, John Christensen said that company directors should know who they are dealing with “otherwise you could be dealing with money launderers. You have to do due diligence.”

Tice has rejected this claim, telling openDemocracy: “When you’re on the board of companies, that doesn’t mean you know who’s behind the shareholders of the company, and shareholders can change and do change. There’s no legal obligation to know.”

Tice also denies that he has any financial interest in either of the Panama and BVI-based companies that have invested in Sunley Family Limited, or that he has avoided paying UK tax.

Bad Boy of Brexit
Richard Tice is one of the “bad boys of Brexit” in Brexit bankroller Arron Banks’s book of the same name. He was elected as an MEP for the Brexit Party this May, in a vote which saw Nigel Farage’s party claim the largest number of UK seats in the European Parliament.

Wealth long preceded fame. In 1987, members of Tice’s family founded Sunley Family Limited, a property development firm which shares a name with Tice’s maternal grandfather, the businessman Bernard Sunley. In 1992, Tice was appointed as company director alongside several family members.

During the early 1990s, 40% of the company’s shares were transferred to two companies in tax havens – Sunciera Holdings Corporation (registered in Panama) and Shuttlecock Holdings Limited (registered in the British Virgin Islands).

In an email to openDemocracy, Tice said he is “not aware of the ownership of those companies”, and later said on the phone that he had “no right to know” who was behind them.

According to the Panamanian business register, a Swiss law firm specialising in tax planning services, Lenz & Staehelin, incorporated Sunciera Holdings Corporation in 1991. In the early 1990s, the company became a minority shareholder in Sunley Family Limited, but by 1995 its shareholding had expanded to become the single largest.

From 2009, Shuttlecock Holdings Limited in British Virgin Islands is listed as one of the single largest shareholders. As both entities are registered in secrecy jurisdictions, it is not possible to ascertain the identities of the companies’ owners or their financial status.

Over the past four years, Sunley Family Limited has paid its shareholders £5.5 million in dividends – of which at least £2.7 million has ended up in Panama and the British Virgin Islands, and is therefore not eligible for UK tax. Panama levies a 5% tax on dividends and the BVI 0%. Meanwhile the UK tax for dividends over £150,000 is 38%.

For the financial years 2014-2017, the company has paid £1.2 million in UK corporation tax on a profit of £15.7 million – an effective tax rate of 7.6%.

Bringing back control to the UK?
Another subsidiary of the Sunley group, the estate management company Sunley Farms Limited, is 100% owned by Sunciera Holdings Corporation in Panama. According to documents obtained from the Land Registry, the company is the owner of the family estate, Godmersham Park, which was bought by Tice’s uncle John Sunley in 1983.

At present, the estate is used on a commercial basis by the Association of British Dispensing Opticians. Company accounts for the year ending December 2015 show a £5 million loan from parent company Sunciera – suggesting that profit generated in the UK by Sunley companies was transferred to Panama and then reinvested into the UK-registered company through loans. Tice said he knew nothing about this deal, and has no involvement in either company. Such practices are within the law and there is no suggestion that any of the payments are illegal.

In April 2019, Sunciera became a member of the Sunley Property LLP – a property partnership consisting of Tice and several members of his family. Tice is listed at Companies House as a member of Sunley Property LLP, but has denied that he is involved in running it. The recent expansion of Sunciera’s involvement with Sunley Properly LLP points to an increase of offshore vehicles within company structures controlled by Tice and his relatives, according to experts.

Arrangements of this kind are to come under increased scrutiny as part of the EU’s response to the Panama Papers scandal, with the introduction of the EU’s 5th Money Laundering Directive in January 2020, and new requirements on the disclosure of beneficial ownership for companies operating in Europe.

Tice has been a vocal critic of EU tax policy in the past. With the UK’s imminent departure from the EU, it remains to be seen how much of the directive will be implemented in the UK. Under the current UK system, companies can structure their operations via subsidiaries in tax havens to reduce their tax contributions in the UK.

Speculating on Tice’s support for Brexit, John Christensen said: “The EU Anti Tax Avoidance Directive, which came into force at the start of 2019, might be a reason why Tice and his business colleagues want to leave the EU. Corporate tax abuse costs European countries hundreds of billions annually, yet there is no sign that Tice will use his position as an MEP to support efforts to tackle this scourge.”

Christensen added: “Extensive use of tax havens is totally inconsistent with [Tice’s] claims about wanting to strengthen parliamentary democracy in Britain.”

In correspondence with openDemocracy Tice has said: “My support for Brexit is to bring back power and control to the UK, as a sovereign nation. It has nothing to do with these totally incorrect assertions.”
By:
trilby22
When: 19 Oct 19 19:28
Yawn.  Away and post yer spam elsewhere please.
By:
dave1357
When: 19 Oct 19 19:58
trilby after posting some actual spam incorrectly states that someone is posting spam.
By:
Angoose
When: 19 Oct 19 20:34
Indeed, you couldn't make it up.

Posts tripe by a self interested elitist and then fails to read an impartial exposure of the real reasons that the hypocritic he worships wants to pull the wool over the eyes of the least privileged in society.
By:
Injera
When: 19 Oct 19 20:53
Both Merkel and Macron seemed happy with the deal. That alone made me worry.

I trust Farage on this as he knows the EU backwards.

We can only hope Boris has a Baldrick moment and comes up with a cunning plan to shaft Mr Benn's snidey tactic and make a dash for freedom...at last.
By:
Baphornet
When: 19 Oct 19 20:58
Ordog s****ing on Twitter - "I'm waiting fot the letter:
By:
trilby22
When: 19 Oct 19 21:03
Ordog Laugh They had a phone call earlier, so he'll know what's coming.

You're spot on, Inj.  The whole lot of them hoopin and a-hollerin when the "deal" was announced was an instant give away.

Goose bored of posting incessant spam everywhere that he now feels the need to post it on other people's threads.  What an antisocial waynekerr.  No surprise being an anti-democrat though, they're all like that.
By:
Baphornet
When: 19 Oct 19 21:10
i think we call all remember the nutcase receiving kisses & hugs from the bureaucrats when she bent over for them
By:
Baphornet
When: 19 Oct 19 22:17
Bozo has sent 2 letters - 1st one unsigned; 2nd one saying he doesn't "Believe extension is required"
By:
trilby22
When: 19 Oct 19 22:27
https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1185661904427143171





Donald Tusk

@eucopresident


The extension request has just arrived. I will now start consulting EU leaders on how to react. #Brexit
By:
Baphornet
When: 19 Oct 19 22:28
if Ordog ignore the 2nd letter; how will that help the process & good feeling?
By:
trilby22
When: 19 Oct 19 22:31
Ask Macedonia and Albania Laugh

https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1185194799349010432
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I would like to send a message to our Macedonian and Albanian friends: don’t give up! You did your share and we didn’t. But I have absolutely no doubt that you will become full members of the European Union.
By:
trilby22
When: 19 Oct 19 22:34
Hi Donald.Sorry. I sent it in error. It's my bad. We are leaving Oct31st as agreed. Cheers Bozo Johnson.

LaughLaughLaugh
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