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Climate Change
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Reynard • October 14, 2019 6:41 AM BST
A bit too long to quote but: moisok keeps on about dressing up in high heels, etc. I must have missed his argument against global warming apart from polar bear numbers increasing. Which I've answered several times. The point made by saddo (originally raised by blank) was about two people talking about snow. Two people aren't the entire scientific community. Maybe they got it wrong. He then said: Of course there are, to say anything else - to offer some balance even- would see their careers ended by virtue signalers and zealots like yourself. It's the same reason there are suddenly no comedians on TV who don't tow the official PC line. Where is the evidence that their careers would be ended by virtue signalers and zealots? In Injera's post he mentions 500 scientists arguing against climate change. Have their careers ended? |
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I don't bother reading J Waffle H's posts as they are too long.
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Climate change is not happening because we do not see any signs that it is happening
If or when we do see such things , and if and when they are a problem Then we will address the actual problem , whatever it is That’s how you go about it , not trying to fix imaginary problems |
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Keep at it chaz, but remember that some here do know that the weather is controlled by HAARP,and for those who don't know,take a few minutes to look it up.
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Climate change is not happening because we do not see any signs that it is happening
NASA would appear to disagree with you: https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ Climate Change: How Do We Know? They list: global temperatures rise, warming oceans, shrinking ice sheets, glacial retreat, decreased snow cover, sea level rise, declining arctic sea ice, extreme events and ocean acidification. |
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It’s incredibly costly to fix imaginary problems , and of course a complete waste of money
When we have a problem it can be addressed and fixed then and there , one at a tine , bit by bit Any other way is sheer stupidity |
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Charlie - you quote Michael Mann, one of the leaders of the ACM debate.
Mann became famous for the chart, which showed temperatures running along in a horizontal fashion before spiking at the beginning of the 20th century. It was the “evidence” the global warming alarmists had been waiting for — “science” that showed human activity was overheating Earth. It was included in at least one United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report. Not all were convinced, however. There were questions about the data he used to create the stick, which he wouldn’t release. It has been called “100% fraudulent,” an “artifact of poor mathematics,” and a violation of “of scientific standards.” Mann has been accused of engaging in “data manipulation,” and “academic and scientific misconduct.” https://www.thegwpf.com/media-ignores-michael-manns-court-loss-it-doesnt-fit-the-warmist-agenda/ Dr Tim Ball was taken to court by Mann and of course the case was thrown out. 'What happened was that Dr. Ball asserted a truth defense. He argued that the hockey stick was a deliberate fraud, something that could be proved if one had access to the data and calculations, in particular the R2 regression analysis, underlying it,” Hinderaker wrote. “Mann refused to produce these documents. He was ordered to produce them by the court and given a deadline. He still refused to produce them, so the court dismissed his case.” |
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lfc you admit yourself you're not very bright for once I agree with you.
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Those things may be happening Charlie , they may reverse themselves of their own accord
They’re not a problem now , if we have a problem then we can fix it |
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For instance we might , in some cities have a problem with pollution
That’s something that can be seen and felt and measured Fix that certainly , When we see something else that is a problem , so far nothing comes to mind , fix that |
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It’s remarkable when we look around the world just how many problems there are to fix
not imaginary ones , you see politicians and snake oil types love to pretend to fix imaginary problems that don’t exist Because they are too incompetent of too lazy or too greedy or too stupid or too useless To fix the problems that we can see , here and now , not at some time in the imaginary future They are all good at that , and keeping themselves in a job , doing nothing |
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That’s what they are doing , when they have these conferences on global warming etc , deflecting the attention away from
themselves and their real job , and real problems and the fact that they’ve not got a clue what they are doing and don’t want to be bothered to address that and put in the hard work That’s what all the noise is about |
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It's a booming industry, like NGOs and Human rights groups, lots of money in it for the champagne socialist types.
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Injera this is still ongoing and it's quite hard to find a balanced view of the court case (climate deniers like this sort of thing so searching is made difficult).
Michael E. Mann took climate change deniers to court. They apologized. https://grist.org/article/michael-e-mann-took-climate-change-deniers-to-court-they-apologized/ (June 14th 2019). In 2011, renowned scientist Michael E. Mann sued a Canadian think tank that published an interview suggesting his work on climate change was fraud. Eight years later, the Winnipeg-based Frontier Center for Public Policy — which often promotes climate change denial — apologized Friday and wiped the inflammatory interview from its website. “(The apology) gives me faith in our legal system that truth can still win out, even in an era of ‘fake news’ and ‘alternative facts,'” Mann said in an email to National Observer. Michael Mann's statement about the court case with Dr Tim Ball: https://twitter.com/MichaelEMann/status/1164910044414189568 (23rd August 2019) It's an image so I can't quote it but it starts off: There have been some wildly untruthful claims about the recent dismissal of libel litigation against Tim Ball circulating on social media. Here is our statement ... It appears that the quotes you gave above are incorrect. I can quote certain parts of it: What does it say about Tim Ball's honesty (and that of the right-wingers trumpeting the latest court development) that they conveniently failed to note that Ball sought to dismiss the case based on his alleged health problems: Furthermore, Ball's request for dismissal rested heavily on the assertion that his defamatory remarks about me were largely ignored anyway: You'll have to read it yourself but it contrasts starkly with what you gave. |
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So what was the verdict? Are you saying Mann produced the documents and that he won the case?
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I suppose I should add that in response to your:
Mann refused to produce these documents. He was ordered to produce them by the court and given a deadline. He still refused to produce them, so the court dismissed his case.” is just nonsense as his lawyer states: The BC Supreme Court has never made any finding, directly or indirectly, that you failed to produce your data. The August 22, 2019 ruling said nothing on that subject. Ball's request that the lawsuit be terminated - for delay - relied heavily on his state of health. |
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Charley,you cant expect grown men to believe a little girl with autism who has been brainwashed to say these lies surely? Far better way to seek the truth is to type in H.A.A.R.P and the first thing you will see is "NASA SATELLITE IMAGERY REVELS SHOCKING PROOF OF CLIMATE ENGINEERING". It then goes on to say what this means to our planet and who is really controlling the climate. Im sure chaz you will be delighted to find out the real truth,its all there look it up.
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Michael Mann 30th August 2019
https://twitter.com/MichaelEMann/status/1166711465597968384 Any allegation that we did not provide materials ordered by the court is a baseless, malicious falsehood. There was no such court order. I am amazed that anyone with an ounce of common sense would dare make such a specious accusation. |
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We are all doomed,the end of the world is nigh ! We have had soothsayers predicting this for two thousand years, CC is just the latest vehicle to give them some justification.
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Its very simple chaz,i suggest everyone takes a few minutes to look it up,just to see if im telling the truth or not, surely its worth a few minutes for peace of mind?
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Let the dead bury the dead
Sufficient onto the day is the evil thereof |
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Major polluters are doing very little in the way of addressing greenhouse gasses themselves.
Yet you'd expect a country like China to go overboard to clean up their act considering the smoke swirling around in their cities. So why are the major polluters doing so little, and the minor polluters such as the UK doing so much in comparison? The first part of the answer is simple, the science isn't trustworthy and they don't believe the made up figures. The second is that vested interests now have a firm grip on the narrative in the UK. Then why do the major polluters give lip service to the global warming loons? That's easy as well, because they're the ones manufacturing the renewables which we're buying! |
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Who says China aren't cleaning up their act?
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2211366-china-is-on-track-to-meet-its-climate-change-goals-nine-years-early/ https://phys.org/news/2019-08-china-track-carbon-emissions-goals.html The first part of the answer is simple, the science isn't trustworthy and they don't believe the made up figures. I assume you just made this up. If not where's the evidence? |
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There are lies, damn lies, and selective copy and pastes. No one knows the truth, I don't pretend to.
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Camilla Batmanwotsit was 'respected' by the same type of people, I don't automatically respect who I am told.
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Brendan Cox also highly respected by the same type.
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The "same type of people". What does that mean?
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Another load of made up tripe in those links from Charlie.
They'd say black is white if it suited their agenda. We've been hearing stuff like that for decades. The Chines are masters of deception. There's no panic because there's nothing to panic over, nothing is going to happen except some people are going to get very rich. |
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Charlie14 Oct 19 11:38Joined: 01 Dec 01 | Topic/replies: 27,850 | Blogger: Charlie's blog
Oct 14, 2019 -- 11:35AM, saddo wrote: There are lies, damn lies, and selective copy and pastes. No one knows the truth, I don't pretend to. That is true but if you stick to respected sources you wont go far wrong. However if you stick to the shoite that you stick to Charlie you may as well take a bath in a tub full of manure. For christ sake man get a fooking grip. You are obsessed with believing lies and being conned by deceptions. Think for yourself for once. Do not simply take the spoon fed nonsense they throw at you.  I have very little idea about the potential of actual climate change and the relevance or irrelevance of global warming but i can sense bullshyte from a hundred miles away and i am getting suffocated here by this tripe. |
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Ok Charlie, Lets flip this, Where is your actual evidence that global warming and climate change are issues that are any different now than say 200 years ago ? You have the word of the paid cartel who have no option than to toe the line .
Such is “science,” these days. A researcher can discover anything he wants to, iif it’s approved. Otherwise, the door is closed. Most scientists know, without instructions from above, the dimensions of their “permitted territory.” They can sniff out career danger from a mile away. This is the accepted norm throughout industry now GMOs? Roundup? Other toxic pesticides? Climate change? Vaccines? Medical drugs? Diagnostic medical tests? Actual environmental pollution? Mercury? Chemicals in food? Radiation? Nuclear power plants? Fracking? Fluorides? On these and a whole host of other issues, government is centrally involved as a ruling force. There are armies of compliant scientists ( corrupt fookers ) only to ready and willing to carry out preferred government (and corporate) dictates. These "scientists" already know the answers before the questions are even asked. It is what they are programmed to say. It is all a lie built on a foundation of quicksand however those who have been dumbed down by the spiel will continue to dance in dreamland. Many thanks to Jonny Rap for extracts from his work taken and re used for a relevant post.  |
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J Waffle Henry. I don't bother with your waffle as you know.
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The so called respected sources can be the biggest liars of all
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Do you have any evidence of that lfc?
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