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breadnbutter
25 Sep 19 22:39
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11 unelected judges v 17.4 million people

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By:
detraveller
When: 25 Sep 19 22:42
Why do you put unelected with the judges but not with people?
By:
breadnbutter
When: 25 Sep 19 22:45
You can’t have an elected electorate imo ,you could/should have elected judges though
By:
breadnbutter
When: 25 Sep 19 22:46
No one picks the electorate but panels of judges are selected
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 25 Sep 19 23:22
When the anti-Brexit establishment enlists the help of the Supreme Court that is unelected, to overrule a decision of the government that was elected.
And all done in the interests of preventing the carrying out of Article 50 which is an act of Parliament. It shows that UK democracy is a sham.

The court said their decision wasn't political, yet their ruling has political consequences that they were fully aware of.
So how can they be impartial in those circumstances?

They could simply have said it was not their business to interfere, like the High Court did before and no one would have blamed them.
By:
mafeking
When: 25 Sep 19 23:29
bit of a give away when all the usual arch remoaner suspects were outside the court afterwards celebrating like their team had just won a cup final
By:
Angoose
When: 25 Sep 19 23:31
The government celebrated after they won the semi final Laugh
By:
impossible123
When: 25 Sep 19 23:31
I think it could set a dangerous precedent as anyone could challenge anything they do not like or disagree with.
By:
anxious
When: 25 Sep 19 23:39
Yes but was it not part of the leave agenda to escape  the brussels  control and have our own laws and judgements and taking back control , so the British supreme court did this and said 11-0 that Bullingdon was  wrong , people cant have it both ways
By:
anxious
When: 25 Sep 19 23:41
Whatever happens there is poison now and this will carry on for a long time regardless of a deal or no deal or remain
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 26 Sep 19 00:27
We're about a week away from brexiteers claiming the earth is flat and Elvis lives above their local Laddies.
By:
casemoney
When: 26 Sep 19 02:05
Seething ,Hypocrites  , two words to describe   48 % of the UK , Tragic really , I am afraid the Words Great Britain are

Finnish Laugh

Still in England there are a lot less  % wise  of the Tw@ts Grin

Have another ref , By Country, COME ON BORIS call it , THE UK IS NO LONGER UNITED ,Krankee would pish her knickers .She could

can even Rebuild the Wall, As for Norn , Let Ireland take care of it ,I am sure they would love to they really care about the

People of Norn ...............
By:
n88uk
When: 26 Sep 19 02:59
Where to begin with this mess?

Title mentions parliament. Post mentions 11 judges which have nothing to do with parliament Crazy.

Anyway for those that don't quite get it, parliament is sovereign. There is also no evidence at all that parliament is trying to prevent Brexit. This goes back to the frequent con these days that no deal = Brexit, except it doesn't. Parliament is trying to prevent no deal, like it was elected to do when 54% of people voted for parties that rejected no deal in 2017.
By:
FatherMaguire
When: 26 Sep 19 08:16
Some of the more moronic papers dressed it up as 17 million versus 11 judges - it's laughably simplistic and anyone who buys into it is a moron

The judges had to decide whether the PM could effectively do whatever he wanted on any topic, and suspend Parliament without presenting any justification. They rightly decided he was acting way beyond his powers, and everyone should be damned pleased that they did, otherwise we would be living in an effective dictatorship
By:
treetop
When: 26 Sep 19 10:26
Parliament is trying to prevent no deal,

If only that was their only motive they could merit some respect but this step has blocked any sensible negotiation with the EU,like fighting with two hands tied behind your back.
By:
FatherMaguire
When: 26 Sep 19 10:41
that may well be true, but the OP posted about the judges opposing 17 million people which is a wilful misinterpretation of the facts
By:
mafeking
When: 26 Sep 19 11:28
it's completely disingenuous to suggest this parliament will vote through any deal boris might bring back. not a chance in hell
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 26 Sep 19 11:32
No it's not a misrepresentation at all FatherMaguire.

The fact remains, that the Supreme Court could have taken the same view as that of the High Court with is that parliamentary procedure is not the business of the courts.

Instead the Supreme Court made it their business. Which is in their powers to do, but not something they were obliged to do.

Therefore the decision to intervene looks politically motivated.
By:
dave1357
When: 26 Sep 19 12:30

Sep 26, 2019 -- 11:28AM, mafeking wrote:


it's completely disingenuous to suggest this parliament will vote through any deal boris might bring back. not a chance in hell


boris isn't interested in a deal.  He simply wants a GE based on "parliament vs the people".

By:
breadnbutter
When: 27 Sep 19 18:06

Sep 26, 2019 -- 2:59AM, n88uk wrote:


Where to begin with this mess?Title mentions parliament. Post mentions 11 judges which have nothing to do with parliament .Anyway for those that don't quite get it, parliament is sovereign. There is also no evidence at all that parliament is trying to prevent Brexit. This goes back to the frequent con these days that no deal = Brexit, except it doesn't. Parliament is trying to prevent no deal, like it was elected to do when 54% of people voted for parties that rejected no deal in 2017.


The 11 judges have everything to do with “Parliament” encompasses the Two houses ,commons and lords ,previously the lords passed all bills and acts and turned them into law ,house of Parliament does not pass laws it’s passes bills and acts . The lords used to contain the committee of law lords that passed judicial review ,this is now a stand alone body in a 3rd building and it’s called the Supreme Court ,my question was to people who understood this not some numpties that know diddly squat about anything . My question is how can parliament be sovereign and supreme when some unelected body called the Supreme Court can intervene between the PM and the sovereign to act against 17.4 million of the electorate who gave parliament a mandate to remove the country from  the control of the EU . I will help the question along a bit and further request some clarification as to why the gov passed a bill which passed  through the lords I presume and into law allowing the the EU referendum to take place to remove from the country from the EU but had no actual legal terms in it or legal means to pass it .Were the law lords in any way responsible for this ? This act was a betrayal and Parliament ,(house of lords ,commons and Supreme Court ) all know it full well and are all acting against the electorate imo .

By:
breadnbutter
When: 27 Sep 19 18:15
And further I have not seen confirmation that “Parliament “ encompasses the 3 house ,if it does not the inference is that the Supreme Court is Supreme ,I think their actions have confirmed this . ,they are above parliament ,the electorate The Crown and God it appears .
By:
conditor
When: 27 Sep 19 18:16
May I ask a question breadnbutter  is it playing on your mind ?
By:
breadnbutter
When: 27 Sep 19 18:22
Not overly ,just a mild irritation  Laugh
By:
conditor
When: 27 Sep 19 18:33
Irritation only exists if you let it... take the misses and kids out chap,enjoy ,don’t be ruled by circuses
By:
breadnbutter
When: 27 Sep 19 18:37
How did you vote in referendum ?
By:
conditor
When: 27 Sep 19 18:43
Lmao ,vote ,I don’t,  I live my life not one I’m told to ....who ever you vote for governments win..tis  for fools. No matter what happens it won’t change your life ,just your mind
By:
conditor
When: 27 Sep 19 18:45
And may I ask a question? Where did you get your information from ,radio,telly ,YouTube , propaganda bud be careful
By:
breadnbutter
When: 27 Sep 19 18:48
What information are you referring too and I will provide a link/ref ,but stop  going off topic
By:
breadnbutter
When: 27 Sep 19 18:50
Perhaps you should do some research before you say anything more ,come back armed with some facts ,with all respect your waffling now
By:
conditor
When: 27 Sep 19 18:52
Not at all ,your waffling, what facts do I need,?
By:
conditor
When: 27 Sep 19 18:54
And your facts ,as I said telly ,YouTube ,internet?...be careful
By:
breadnbutter
When: 27 Sep 19 18:57
What have I said that upsets you ,you ask where I got my info ,suggesting my comments are untrue or not factual ,what exactly is it that you need clarification on ? Hurry up I’m not here for a prolonged waffle session with someone that does not even participate in the democratic process .
By:
Charlie
When: 27 Sep 19 18:58
bandb
The referendum elected to have Parliament act on the voters behalf to get the UK out of the EU. A referendum is not a legal act it's just an expression of opinion. The government's attempt to prorogue Parliament was purely intended to stifle debate and leave on the 31st October come what may which is not acting on behalf of the people who voted for it but purely for the government. The Supreme Court deemed this to be unlawful.

I'm quite prepared to be educated on this though.
By:
breadnbutter
When: 27 Sep 19 19:01
That’s not correct it depends on how the act and law is passed that allows the referendum ,in this case there was no laws or acts to make the result binding ,was the referendum that took us into the EEC not binding either then ?
By:
breadnbutter
When: 27 Sep 19 19:03
Parliament was blocking ,stymying and suffocating the will of the people ,prorogation was used correctly imo .
By:
Charlie
When: 27 Sep 19 19:03
A referendum just asks the government to act on their behalf. No it wasn't binding.
By:
Charlie
When: 27 Sep 19 19:04
Not sure if I should have said Parliament or government then.
By:
breadnbutter
When: 27 Sep 19 19:05
No it doesn’t ,if it did the act of acting on the result would have been written in as legislation ,it wasn’t
By:
Charlie
When: 27 Sep 19 19:06

Sep 27, 2019 -- 7:03PM, breadnbutter wrote:


Parliament was blocking ,stymying and suffocating the will of the people ,prorogation was used correctly imo .


By saying we're shutting up shop for six weeks isn't acting on behalf of the people it acting purely on behalf of the government or in this case the PM.

By:
conditor
When: 27 Sep 19 19:06
Why would you research politics?its nonsense,...governments win. Enjoy your weekend it will soon be Monday Crazy
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