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The charade's been going on for much too long already
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An election victory that, no doubt, would have been achieved with far fewer votes than the 17.4 Million who voted leave, democracy is acceptable when it works for you.
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I think Ms Jo Swinson has just committed her 1st major (probably final) political misjudgement as leader of Lib(un)Dem Party due to political immaturity and foolhardiness. As such, I do not think she'll be leader for long; Chuka and Ed Davey must be rubbing their hands with glee.
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She's done the right thing. If you vote Lib Dem and they get a majority or cosy up with the SNP you know what you are going to get and that puts an end to the charade. We'll virtually all be instantly be better off.
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It's clear it's straight forward and it's democratic. Unlike the current mess.
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You don't for one minute think the BREXIT or UKIP party would cease to exist if they'd lost the referendum? Would it be suicide if they had lost and their new leader continue to fight for leaving the EU? Of course not. Like the SNP they'd continue. The Lib Dems have always been straight forward about their policy regarding leaving the EU, unlike the other two parties who are divided. As Nigel Farage has shown it's all about personality and media presence. He has the personality and media presence and the better branding. Doesn't mean their policies are any different from UKIP. It's basically the same thing packaged differently. The Lib Dems are rebranding with a clearer message. Makes total sense. Even though they have a mountain to climb it makes thing more interesting. Things are very uncertain as the betting market suggests. You can lay LDM at 46, only 3 times the price of Labour.
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you can lay them at 46 for a majority that is. Only 16 for most seats
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Ignore the Brexit party or Ukip as long term political parties - they are Brexit and immigration specific respectively.
On the other hand what the Lib(un)Dem are doing could be deemed straight forward (I totally agree) on paper, but democratic (?), absolutely NOT as that will clearly indicate definitively the 2016 Referendum was invalid and the votes of 17.4m (majority) was immaterial and not even legal. As such, I consider the Lib(un)Dem as my 3rd choice after Conservative and Labour; Brexit Party is for MEPs to remind The EU bureaucrats and politicians eg Tusk, Barnier and Juncker The UK do not like them or the iniquitous workings and contribution and rebate structures of The EU. |
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The Lib Dems have always been straight forward about their policy regarding leaving the EU, unlike the other two parties who are divided.
clydebank, how did the lib dems campaign at the last election. Did they state they would honour the referendum result? Genuine question, as I don't know. What I'm fairly sure of, is that they have been wanting a 2nd referndum, peoples vote up til recently and now they want OUT regardless. Doesn't seem that straight forward to me. |
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Just looked it up and they pledged another referendum at the last election.
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Absolute joke of a party. They must think the British electorate is stupid and will put into power a party who in the name of democracy goes all out to overturn the biggest democratic vote in the history of this country. And they're actually trying to brand as undemocratic those who are attempting to uphold the people's democratic vote.
Oh, the stench of hypocrisy! |
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They've always been very anti BREXIT and they've always been clear about it. They may have pledged a referendum at the last election but 2.5 years on there has been one almighty shambles and the EU have made their position clear after months and months of talks. It's become more evident that BREXIT is bad for the country and this policy is clarity and an end to the shambles, rather than prolonging it.
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It's become more evident that BREXIT is bad for the country
says who? |
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We don't live in an age where sensible and fair wins the day. The BREXIT campaign was built on lies, simple rhetoric and BS. BJ is up to all sorts of dirty tricks and bringing the govt into disrepute. There's an argument that it's anti democractic, but it's a pragmatic move and nothing compared to the dirty tricks of their rivals.
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The pound is on its knees. You not read Yellowhammer Baph? One example, probably of many. Was only watching Eurosport the other day and it's crippling UK cycling
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'Was only watching Eurosport the other day and it's crippling UK cycling'
As for the pound....great for our exporters and our pension funds in the FTSE. Oh and our tourism industry is booming for the 3rd year in succession. |
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If you think moving out of a trading bloc is good for business you are living in lalaland Injera. I'm sure apart from the UK tourist trade it's also good for bailiffs. There will be some winners. It's bad for exporters as they'll be on WTO terms and face huge tariffs and the cost of their raw materials will go up and be past onto the uk public as will imports as we have already seen
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To highlight how industries that rely on the public being poorer will benefit injera is a daft argument
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Yellowhammer was worse case scenario; & has been updated. The fact is, no one, not even me
 knows that will happen - so it's all subjective. The 'experts' can rant all they want; the doommongers can monger all they want; the simple fact is no one knows until it happens. There were 2 more experts (bankers) i listened to the other day & they took a completely differing view to your own, Clydebank |
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So you think that the 10s of billions of goods and services sold here by EU businesses will suddenly disappear? You assume 'huge tarriffs' on our exporters. And theirs?
If you think we're leaving the 'trading bloc' surely it cuts both ways? My guess is so called free, competitive trade between ourselves and the EU countries will continue. Why? Because it's in everyone's interests. |
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Here's a question: 20% of all German car exports come here.
What will happen to them? Still be exported here at competitive prices or we'll tariff them out of business? |
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Anyway. I'm sure the prospect of Skegness or Clacton every Summer will warm the cockles of BREXIT fans. Still the UK will take back control on how we label our packaging and change worker's rights (almost certainly to the detriment of the poor) so it's worth doing.
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those two bankers i was listening to mused that most of BB was in place to cope. It will affect small businesses short term & according to the Government they will be assisted. As i said; we won't know until it happens but i wouldn't be shedding too many tears over BB
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Next time I want a heating engineer Baph, I'll ignore the Corgi registered plumber and hold a referendum on my street about how best to fix the boiler. I'll take back control of my boiler. After all, no one knows how the boiler will perform
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Clyde - if we end the rights of Overseas people to work here (and put them on work visas), we control the supply of labour.
Control it and we control pay and conditions. We want business that fights hard to recruit and retain staff. That way workers' rights improve! What we have now is an uncontrolled supply of cheap, mobile foreign labour that is prepared to live in slum conditions. Big business LOVES that. We should be ashamed.. |
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5% of hospital staff are from the EU (not sure about plumbers) but the Brits have an uncanny ability to get through most things in life. Brexit will affect some short term but that is outweighed by the rest of the future. That is my opinion on it; & i'm prepared to wait & see if i'm wrong or not. But whatever happens; we are not the DRC & will survive
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Better rights for preganant women and temporary workers, minimum holiday entitlement and limiting the maximum working week were all good EU moves.
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undoubtedly there was good amongst bad; we can all have selfish reasons for voting/supporting one way or the other. That doesn't change the fact that the decision has been made. If in years to come there is a move to rejoin; so be it. But that is not the case in regards to leaving; we will be stuck for ever if this is overturned
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The EU sell more goods in value to us that us to them - do you seriously believe this will cease overnight? Our fishermen could be laughing all the way to the bank similarly me too (not to the bank), but as I love fish and fish will be cheaper and with more choices too.
The EU is a lazy entity made up of mishmash economies most of which amounting to very little value comparatively. If in doubt asks the other main world trading areas eg America, Asia, South East Asia and China. I'd buy jeans, rice cookers, food stuffs and many other foreign products from these areas much cheaper too post Brexit. I think The UK is more important to The EU than vice versa, and The EU senior political leaders know it too. |