The Liberal Democrats

"We will stop brexit"

Just coming out and admitting it now, if you ever get your hands on one of them make it worthwhile going to prison for I say

No holding back

At least they're honest. A large percentage of Parliament would agree with their stance.

Utterly shameful. They apparently know better than us. They don't trust us, they despise us. They hate Britain and her people.

They're neither liberal nor are they democratic. They are intolerant, selective democrats.

What they fail to understand is that by their definition of democracy if they returned a majority at the next election there would have to be another election just in case a percentage of the electorate had changed their mind

Ought to be renamed Lib-(un)Dem for totally ignoring the result of 2016 Referendum.

If they were to get elected on it, surely that'd be a pretty clear democratic mandate to revoke.

edy • September 15, 2019 8:46 PM BST
If they were to get elected on it, surely that'd be a pretty clear democratic mandate to revoke.

Why ? Is that their one and only policy ?

that would be illegal

I was told on this forum that the next general election would serve as a second referendum if Brexit hasn't happened yet at the time.

no that will only be the case if we leave

its simply a means to get the remailers out of parliament

it is not a case of having an election to rerun the refedrendum

its just a means to get the **** out

Lib(un)Dem getting elected? Not in a million years; Brexiteers (Tory and Labour) will never vote for them. One thing I will give them though: It's definitive, but it's non-democratic and negative for the Party.

I'm voting for them and I was a leave voting tory. I won't be alone.

Hanx's assertion of a clear example could, of course, also apply to conservative as in "not usually liking or trusting change, especially sudden change". This may be why we're still in the EU. They've had over 3 years to leave , starting with Cameron, on to May and now Boris. Our bizarre political reality personified with them too eh?

a thoroughly cynical attempt to capitalize on labour's hopeless attempt to keep on side their northern leave voters and metropolitan remainers and looks like it will work to the extent they'll get a lot more MPs at the next election but also a good chance of a tory majority by destroying labour's chances

as others have said they are only liberal in so much as you agree with their very narrow concept of liberalism and certainly not democrats

Just another power hungry group that totally goes against their own support.

Absolutely agree with the general consensus on here. If there was an inappropriately named party this is it. Being neither liberal nor democratic they should now re-name themselves the ABADs - the Anti-Brexit Anti-Democracy party.

they should rename themselves the MUTT Party; they take any stray off the street & give them a home. The latest Sam Gymkhana should face a by-election forthwith. His constituents voted to leave & here he is signed up with the MUTTs. He's not going to last long anyway come an election, but that's not the point. He's a disgrace, & so are the LD's for giving him shelter

i have some shocking news.........we live in a liberal democracy

The good thing about Brexit is that highlighted the ineptitude of the British political system and as set in motion it's demise.

i think it has highlighted the strength of parliament. dictators need not apply

liberal: 'willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.'

Well, to be fair, it's new for Britain to reject the outcome of a vote! (Common in countries ruled by despots).


Definition of democracy : 'government by the people especially : rule of the majority'

How does Swinson keep a straight face..makeup?

In the decades before the coalition government in 2010, people became Liberal MPs because it was a cushy job with little likelihood of ever having the responsibility of power.
Furthermore a Liberal MP would never be put on the spot over their party's policies, because they were all more or less neutral with little chance of them ever being implemented.

In short, they became Liberal MPs for an easy life.
What kind of person is that to vote for?

I'm voting for them and I've never voted before bar the EU referendum.   The other choices are national poverty under a compulsive liar or extreme national poverty under an imbecile, so it's quite simple really.

Or the other option is not to vote at all ,if we all stick to that ,surely it would put the cat amongst the pigeons... ?

It's a democracy, the government has effectively lost it's majority and in a general election we can all vore for whom we want, although some on here seem to think we shouldn't be able to. 

If you are a cloth eared BREXIT supporter still you were never going to vote for the LDs.  I actually think Labour's idea is the most sensible one, (aside from the fact otherwise they'd be a disaster) but in this day and age it's all about populism, tub thumping and grabbing the limelight, not being sensible and fair minded, as we've seen with Nigel Farage, Boris, Trump and Corbyn. So in that regard the LDs move is essential.  They need to grab headlines.

Well condor the old saying used to be, ''a vote for the liberals is a wasted vote.''

Or at most, a protest vote against the two main parties.

The simpler the message, the more it resonates. (unfortunately)

While we're on the subject of liars, didn't Nick Clegg the former Lib/Dem leader have to apologise to the nation after breaking his word on tuition fees?

We should all lodge a protest vote then

Nick Clegg apologises to the nation.

The Nick Clegg Apology Song: I'm Sorry (The Autotune Remix)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUDjRZ30SNo

Shouldn't vote for politicians anyway. It only encourages them.

KC, in some countries people had died in the past just for a chance to vote eg Mendela. Thus use it t vote out those you do not agree with (at least).

It was a joke, mate.


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Time she should be sectioned as a

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Walter Mittyness

Now taken over the baton from the nasty party.

Will stop Brexit on day 1 should they hold a majority in the commons. PMSL

Gotta admire their approach . Basically turning the next General Election into a 'People's Vote'

Spinning it into a peoples vote

So when its another hung parliament there's no major side that's won, so this whole charade carries on for another 2 or 3 years

The charade's been going on for much too long already

An election victory that, no doubt, would have been achieved with far fewer votes than the 17.4 Million who voted leave, democracy is acceptable when it works for you.

I think Ms Jo Swinson has just committed her 1st major (probably final) political misjudgement as leader of Lib(un)Dem Party due to political immaturity and foolhardiness. As such, I do not think she'll be leader for long; Chuka and Ed Davey must be rubbing their hands with glee.

She's done the right thing.  If you vote Lib Dem and they get a majority or cosy up with the SNP you know what you are going to get and that puts an end to the charade.  We'll virtually all be instantly be better off.

It's clear it's straight forward and it's democratic.  Unlike the current mess.

You don't for one minute think the BREXIT or UKIP party would cease to exist if they'd lost the referendum?  Would it be suicide if they had lost and their new leader continue to fight for leaving the EU?  Of course not.  Like the SNP they'd continue.  The Lib Dems have always been straight forward about their policy regarding leaving the EU, unlike the other two parties who are divided.  As Nigel Farage has shown it's all about personality and media presence.  He has the personality and media presence and the better branding.  Doesn't mean their policies are any different from UKIP.  It's basically the same thing packaged differently.  The Lib Dems are rebranding with a clearer message.  Makes total sense.  Even though they have a mountain to climb it makes thing more interesting.  Things are very uncertain as the betting market suggests.  You can lay LDM at 46, only 3 times the price of Labour.

you can lay them at 46 for a majority that is.  Only 16 for most seats  Incredible really

Ignore the Brexit party or Ukip as long term political parties - they are Brexit and immigration specific respectively.

On the other hand what the Lib(un)Dem are doing could be deemed straight forward (I totally agree) on paper, but democratic (?), absolutely NOT as that will clearly indicate definitively the 2016 Referendum was invalid and the votes of 17.4m (majority) was immaterial and not even legal.

As such, I consider the Lib(un)Dem as my 3rd choice after Conservative and Labour; Brexit Party is for MEPs to remind The EU bureaucrats and politicians eg Tusk, Barnier and Juncker The UK do not like them or the iniquitous workings and contribution and rebate structures of The EU.

The Lib Dems have always been straight forward about their policy regarding leaving the EU, unlike the other two parties who are divided.

clydebank, how did the lib dems campaign at the last election. Did they state they would honour the referendum result? Genuine question, as I don't know. What I'm fairly sure of, is that they have been wanting a 2nd referndum, peoples vote up til recently and now they want OUT regardless. Doesn't seem that straight forward to me.

Just looked it up and they pledged another referendum at the last election.

Absolute joke of a party. They must think the British electorate is stupid and will put into power a party who in the name of democracy goes all out to overturn the biggest democratic vote in the history of this country. And they're actually trying to brand as undemocratic those who are attempting to uphold the people's democratic vote.

Oh, the stench of hypocrisy!

They've always been very anti BREXIT and they've always been clear about it.  They may have pledged a referendum at the last election but 2.5 years on there has been one almighty shambles and the EU have made their position clear after months and months of talks.  It's become more evident that BREXIT is bad for the country and this policy is clarity and an end to the shambles, rather than prolonging it.

It's become more evident that BREXIT is bad for the country

says who?

We don't live in an age where sensible and fair wins the day.  The BREXIT campaign was built on lies, simple rhetoric and BS.  BJ is up to all sorts of dirty tricks and bringing the govt into disrepute.  There's an argument that it's anti democractic, but it's a pragmatic move and nothing compared to the dirty tricks of their rivals.

The pound is on its knees.  You not read Yellowhammer Baph?  One example, probably of many.  Was only watching Eurosport the other day and it's crippling UK cycling

'Was only watching Eurosport the other day and it's crippling UK cycling'



As for the pound....great for our exporters and our pension funds in the FTSE. Oh and our tourism industry is booming for the 3rd year in succession.

If you think moving out of a trading bloc is good for business you are living in lalaland Injera.  I'm sure apart from the UK tourist trade it's also good for bailiffs.  There will be some winners.  It's bad for exporters as they'll be on WTO terms and face huge tariffs and the cost of their raw materials will go up and be past onto the uk public as will imports as we have already seen

To highlight how industries that rely on the public being poorer will benefit injera is a daft argument

Yellowhammer was worse case scenario; & has been updated. The fact is, no one, not even me knows that will happen - so it's all subjective. The 'experts' can rant all they want; the doommongers can monger all they want; the simple fact is no one knows until it happens. There were 2 more experts (bankers) i listened to the other day & they took a completely differing view to your own, Clydebank

So you think that the 10s of billions of goods and services sold here by EU businesses will suddenly disappear? You assume 'huge tarriffs' on our exporters. And theirs?

If you think we're leaving the 'trading bloc' surely it cuts both ways?

My guess is so called free, competitive trade between ourselves and the EU countries will continue. Why? Because it's in everyone's interests.

Here's a question: 20% of all German car exports come here.

What will happen to them? Still be exported here at competitive prices or we'll tariff them out of business?

Anyway.  I'm sure the prospect of Skegness or Clacton every Summer will warm the cockles of BREXIT fans.  Still the UK will take back control on how we label our packaging and change worker's rights (almost certainly to the detriment of the poor) so it's worth doing.

those two bankers i was listening to mused that most of BB was in place to cope. It will affect small businesses short term & according to the Government they will be assisted. As i said; we won't know until it happens but i wouldn't be shedding too many tears over BB

Next time I want a heating engineer Baph, I'll ignore the Corgi registered plumber and hold a referendum on my street about how best to fix the boiler.  I'll take back control of my boiler.  After all, no one knows how the boiler will perform

Clyde - if we end the rights of Overseas people to work here (and put them on work visas), we control the supply of labour.

Control it and we control pay and conditions. We want business that fights hard to recruit and retain staff. That way workers' rights improve!

What we have now is an uncontrolled supply of cheap, mobile foreign labour that is prepared to live in slum conditions. Big business LOVES that.  We should be ashamed..

5% of hospital staff are from the EU (not sure about plumbers) but the Brits have an uncanny ability to get through most things in life. Brexit will affect some short term but that is outweighed by the rest of the future. That is my opinion on it; & i'm prepared to wait & see if i'm wrong or not. But whatever happens; we are not the DRC & will survive

Better rights for preganant women and temporary workers, minimum holiday entitlement and limiting the maximum working week were all good EU moves.

undoubtedly there was good amongst bad; we can all have selfish reasons for voting/supporting one way or the other. That doesn't change the fact that the decision has been made. If in years to come there is a move to rejoin; so be it. But that is not the case in regards to leaving; we will be stuck for ever if this is overturned

The EU sell more goods in value to us that us to them - do you seriously believe this will cease overnight? Our fishermen could be laughing all the way to the bank similarly me too (not to the bank), but as I love fish and fish will be cheaper and with more choices too.

The EU is a lazy entity made up of mishmash economies most of which amounting to very little value comparatively. If in doubt asks the other main world trading areas eg America, Asia, South East Asia and China. I'd buy jeans, rice cookers, food stuffs and many other foreign products from these areas much cheaper too post Brexit.

I think The UK is more important to The EU than vice versa, and The EU senior political leaders know it too.