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cutting production by 50%
Thought it might be these extinction warriors
Look like petrol will be short supply
Time to get a battery operated bicycle
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The world's largest oil processing facility has been hit in a drone attack.
The Abqaiq facility in Saudi Arabia and the Khurais oil field, operated by the state owned Saudi Aramco, were hit early on Saturday, according to the kingdom's interior ministry.
The strike caused a huge fire at the facility, which is of critical importance to global energy supplies.
Almost half of the kingdom's estimated oil output is thought to have been impacted by the attacks, according to sources speaking to Reuters news agency.
The Wall Street Journal reported that Saudi Arabia was shutting down half its oil output following the strikes.
Yemen's Houthi rebels have said on state TV that they were behind the drone attacks. They have previously launched drone attacks on Saudi Arabia.
Military spokesperson Yahia Sarie said the Houthis used 10 drones in the attacks.
He threatened further attacks on the kingdom, unless Saudi Arabia ends the war.
Mr Sarie said: "The only option for the Saudi government is to stop attacking us."
The Abqaiq facility in Saudi Arabia and the Khurais oil field, operated by the state owned Saudi Aramco, were hit early on Saturday, according to the kingdom's interior ministry.
The strike caused a huge fire at the facility, which is of critical importance to global energy supplies.
Almost half of the kingdom's estimated oil output is thought to have been impacted by the attacks, according to sources speaking to Reuters news agency.
The Wall Street Journal reported that Saudi Arabia was shutting down half its oil output following the strikes.
Yemen's Houthi rebels have said on state TV that they were behind the drone attacks. They have previously launched drone attacks on Saudi Arabia.
Military spokesperson Yahia Sarie said the Houthis used 10 drones in the attacks.
He threatened further attacks on the kingdom, unless Saudi Arabia ends the war.
Mr Sarie said: "The only option for the Saudi government is to stop attacking us."
Not hard to predict is it 
Oil prices need an excuse to go up.... a few bombs get chucked on the oil refinery's
Cool as cucumber these elites
Oil prices need an excuse to go up.... a few bombs get chucked on the oil refinery's
Cool as cucumber these elites
Great news for the UK and investors in BAE Systems (Mrs May's hubby included) as Saudi Arabia will now look to upgrade their military defence ststems 
Yemens Houthi rebels have fantastic military Drone expertise and capabilities, funding and technological superiority to get past Saudi air space, defences and and all the cutting edge and record breaking hardware and tech they have bought from the US, UK etc ha ha
Wouldn't be anything to do with global oil prices set to drop to sub $30 recently reported especially if the Iran issue cools and Aramcos desperate wish to get it back about $85 for its planned IPO that's been languishing with low oil prices
Ridiculous story line, more like a false flag or own sabotage as an excuse to boost oil prices by reducing production. If Iran was behind it they would be stupid to aid the Saudis by boosting oil prices this way, Russia doesn't need or want the prices higher nor does the US want it, the Houthis would also not aid Saudi oil prices or demands. Those with a vested interest in higher oil prices would and that are the Saudis most of all.
Most likely its the Saudi allied Arabs themselves in order to boost oil prices. There are Arabian Factions who do not support the house of Saud and these are desperate to increase oil prices to continue funding the war in the region. So is Aramco.
Wouldn't be anything to do with global oil prices set to drop to sub $30 recently reported especially if the Iran issue cools and Aramcos desperate wish to get it back about $85 for its planned IPO that's been languishing with low oil prices
Ridiculous story line, more like a false flag or own sabotage as an excuse to boost oil prices by reducing production. If Iran was behind it they would be stupid to aid the Saudis by boosting oil prices this way, Russia doesn't need or want the prices higher nor does the US want it, the Houthis would also not aid Saudi oil prices or demands. Those with a vested interest in higher oil prices would and that are the Saudis most of all.
Most likely its the Saudi allied Arabs themselves in order to boost oil prices. There are Arabian Factions who do not support the house of Saud and these are desperate to increase oil prices to continue funding the war in the region. So is Aramco.
Saudia probably funds and manages the rebels herself. Just like Pakistan does with the Taliban. They are just interested in receiving the aid to fight off these so called rebels.
A stupid thing to say really. I doubt the Saudis would be interested in that pocket change. Scratch that expert analysis.
Drone attacks claimed by Yemen’s Houthi rebels struck two key oil installations inside Saudi Arabia on Saturday, damaging facilities that process the vast majority of the country’s crude output and raising the risk of a disruption in world oil supplies.
The attacks immediately escalated tensions in the Persian Gulf amid a standoff between the United States and Iran, even as key questions remained unanswered — where the drones were launched from, and how the Houthis managed to hit facilities deep in Saudi territory, some 500 miles from Yemeni soil.
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo accused Iran of being behind what he called “an unprecedented attack on the world’s energy supply” and asserted that there was “no evidence the attacks came from Yemen.” He did not, however, specify an alternative launch site, and the Saudis themselves refrained from pointing the finger directly at Iran.
President Trump condemned the attack in a phone call with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and offered support for “Saudi Arabia’s self defense,” the White House said in a statement, adding that the United States “remains committed to ensuring global oil markets are stable and well supplied.”
The Houthis said they had launched the aerial attacks with 10 drones, which would amount to their most audacious strike on Saudi Arabia since the kingdom intervened in Yemen’s war more than four years ago. The Saudi-led bombing campaign has devastated the impoverished country and exacerbated the world’s worst humanitarian crisis.
The Houthis are part of a regional network of militant groups aligned with and backed by Iran, Saudi Arabia’s regional rival. American and Saudi officials suspect that Iran has dispatched technicians to Yemen to train the Houthis on drone and missile technology.
United Nations investigators have written that the Houthis have acquired advanced drones that could have a range of up to 930 miles. That leaves open the possibility that the drones used Saturday had flown from Houthi-controlled territory in Yemen. But they may also have been launched from another country, such as Iraq, or from inside Saudi Arabia itself.
Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps has been training its militia proxies in the region, from Lebanon to Yemen, in more sophisticated warfare using drones, according to two people in Iran with knowledge of the programs.
In Yemen, for example, after Houthi missiles targeting Saudi Arabia were intercepted, Iran moved to train Houthis in drone technology, taking groups to Iran to master assembling, managing and repairing drones, said the people familiar with the programs.
The Houthis have attacked Saudi infrastructure before, primarily with less accurate ballistic missiles.
The targeted oil facilities can process 8.45 million barrels of crude oil a day between them, the bulk of production in Saudi Arabia, the world’s largest oil exporter. Saudi Aramco, the state-owned oil giant, said production of 5.7 million barrels a day — well over half of the nation’s overall daily output — was suspended.
It was not immediately clear how badly the facilities were damaged, but shutting them down for more than a few days would affect the global oil supply.
Analysts who closely follow the Saudi oil industry said they were hearing that the impact would not be severe — perhaps only a few days’ outage, which the Saudis could cover.
“Crude prices will still rise a bit, but apparently the world economy dodged a bullet,” said Robert McNally, the president of Rapidan Energy Group, a Washington-based market research firm.
The Energy Department said that, if needed, the United States was ready to use its strategic oil reserves to offset any disruption in supply.
The attacks not only exposed a Saudi vulnerability in the war against the Houthis, but also demonstrated how relatively cheap it has become to stage such high-profile strikes. The drones used may have cost $15,000 or less to build, said Wim Zwijnenburg, a senior researcher on drones at PAX, a Dutch peace organization.
The strikes illustrate how David-and-Goliath tactics using cheap drones are adding a new layer of volatility to the Middle East. Such attacks not only damage vital economic infrastructure, but can also increase security costs, disrupt markets and spread fear.
While the Houthis do not have significant financial resources, drones give them a way to hurt Saudi Arabia, which was the world’s third-highest spender on military equipment in 2018, investing an estimated $67.6 billion.
“This has given the Saudis a challenge they can’t confront, no matter what their financial, military or intelligence capabilities are,” said Farea Al-Muslimi, co-founder of the Sanaa Center for Strategic Studies, which focuses on Yemen.
The attacks hit deeper into Saudi territory than most previous Houthi strikes and set off blazes whose smoke could be seen from space.
The war in Yemen began in 2014, when the Houthi rebels seized control of the capital and most of Yemen’s northwest, sending the government into exile. A coalition of Arab nations led by Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, with some support from the United States, began bombing Yemen in 2015, hoping to push the Houthis back and restore the government.
Instead, the war has settled into a stalemate, and the Houthis have developed increasingly sophisticated ways of striking back at Saudi Arabia, most notably with drones. The first indications of the Houthis using drones emerged last year, and their capabilities have improved since.
Mr. Zwijnenburg, the researcher, said the drones gave the Houthis an edge because they were cheap to produce, hard to detect and shoot down, and able to cause damage and disruption hugely disproportionate to their cost. While the Houthis’ exact capabilities are not known, they have developed over time.
The Houthis’ alliance with Iran also raises the possibility that their successes could be shared with other Iran-aligned militant groups in Iraq, Syria and Lebanon, he added.
The strike on one of the oil installations, in Abqaiq, was particularly worrying because it processes crude from several key Saudi oil fields, said Helima Croft, an analyst at RBC Capital Markets, an investment bank.
“This is the mother lode for an attack on Saudi infrastructure,” she said. “We have always been concerned about an attack on Abqaiq.”
Amy Myers Jaffe, a Middle East energy analyst at the Council on Foreign Relations, said the attacker was “knowledgeable, picking the maximum place for impact and damage.”
Rapidan Energy Group called Abqaiq by far the most important oil facility in the world.
“A successful attack on Abqaiq is about the worst thing energy security planners think about,” because the specialized equipment there would be difficult to quickly replace, said Mr. McNally, Rapidan’s president and a former White House energy adviser under President George W. Bush.
The firm estimated the Saudis have 188 million barrels of oil on hand, or enough to cover a disruption of five million barrels per day for 37 days. Mr. McNally predicted that oil traders would quickly “start doing the math,” potentially sending prices upward.
Mr. Pompeo has led the Trump administration’s “maximum pressure” campaign against Iran, trying to isolate Tehran’s cleric-run government with a rolling series of sanctions that have lashed its economy.
At the same time, Mr. Trump has said he is open to meeting with Iran’s president, Hassan Rouhani — potentially on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly this month — as a first step toward striking a new nuclear accord that would also stop its ballistic missiles program and support for extremist groups.
Mr. Rouhani repeated this week that he will not negotiate until the United States eases its sanctions.
Mr. McNally said these attacks are “likely to put on ice” talk of easing sanctions on Iran, with the consequences depending on how closely Tehran can be linked to them.
“Forget about easing sanctions,” he said. “We are talking about a step up on geopolitical risks.”
While there were no reports of casualties, the attacks struck at the core of the Saudi economy. They came just as Aramco accelerated plans for what could be the largest initial public offering of stock in the world, an event closely watched by global investors.
The Saudi Interior Ministry reported fires at the two processing centers — in Abqaiq and also in Khurais — before dawn on Saturday, and later said they had been attacked with drones. The ministry said both fires had been “controlled and contained,” the Saudi-owned news network Al Arabiya reported without any further details.
A Houthi spokesman, Brig. Gen. Yahya Sare’e, said that the group’s forces “carried out a massive offensive operation of 10 drones targeting Abqaiq and Khurais refineries.” He did not specifically say that they launched the drones from Yemen.
The conflict in Yemen has killed thousands of civilians, many of them in Saudi airstrikes using American-made weapons. It has also created an enormous humanitarian crisis with millions at risk of starvation and millions of others homeless.
In a report presented to the United Nations Human Rights Council in Geneva last week, a panel of experts said both sides in the conflict were committing horrific human rights abuses, including arbitrary killings, rape and torture, with impunity. The atrocities underscored the collective failure of the international community, the panel said.
After a period of relative calm, following a cease-fire brokered late last year, tensions have escalated in recent months. Houthi forces attacked Saudi pipelines and other oil infrastructure in May, temporarily halting the flow of crude oil, and in June they struck an airport in Saudi Arabia, wounding dozens of people.
In July, in a major blow to the Saudi-led coalition, the United Arab Emirates, which had been providing arms, money and, crucially, ground troops in Yemen, announced a rapid pullout from a conflict that had become too costly. The move left diplomats and analysts wondering whether Saudi Arabia would continue the war on its own.
Although the Trump administration has been a vocal supporter of Saudi efforts to deter Iran and its allies in the region, congressional opposition to the sale of arms and the deployment of extra troops in Saudi Arabia has limited the scope of support from the United States.
Reporting was contributed by Hwaida Saad from Beirut, Lebanon, Lara Jakes from Washington, Clifford Krauss from Houston, and Farnaz Fassihi from New York.
The attacks immediately escalated tensions in the Persian Gulf amid a standoff between the United States and Iran, even as key questions remained unanswered — where the drones were launched from, and how the Houthis managed to hit facilities deep in Saudi territory, some 500 miles from Yemeni soil.
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo accused Iran of being behind what he called “an unprecedented attack on the world’s energy supply” and asserted that there was “no evidence the attacks came from Yemen.” He did not, however, specify an alternative launch site, and the Saudis themselves refrained from pointing the finger directly at Iran.
President Trump condemned the attack in a phone call with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and offered support for “Saudi Arabia’s self defense,” the White House said in a statement, adding that the United States “remains committed to ensuring global oil markets are stable and well supplied.”
The Houthis said they had launched the aerial attacks with 10 drones, which would amount to their most audacious strike on Saudi Arabia since the kingdom intervened in Yemen’s war more than four years ago. The Saudi-led bombing campaign has devastated the impoverished country and exacerbated the world’s worst humanitarian crisis.
The Houthis are part of a regional network of militant groups aligned with and backed by Iran, Saudi Arabia’s regional rival. American and Saudi officials suspect that Iran has dispatched technicians to Yemen to train the Houthis on drone and missile technology.
United Nations investigators have written that the Houthis have acquired advanced drones that could have a range of up to 930 miles. That leaves open the possibility that the drones used Saturday had flown from Houthi-controlled territory in Yemen. But they may also have been launched from another country, such as Iraq, or from inside Saudi Arabia itself.
Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps has been training its militia proxies in the region, from Lebanon to Yemen, in more sophisticated warfare using drones, according to two people in Iran with knowledge of the programs.
In Yemen, for example, after Houthi missiles targeting Saudi Arabia were intercepted, Iran moved to train Houthis in drone technology, taking groups to Iran to master assembling, managing and repairing drones, said the people familiar with the programs.
The Houthis have attacked Saudi infrastructure before, primarily with less accurate ballistic missiles.
The targeted oil facilities can process 8.45 million barrels of crude oil a day between them, the bulk of production in Saudi Arabia, the world’s largest oil exporter. Saudi Aramco, the state-owned oil giant, said production of 5.7 million barrels a day — well over half of the nation’s overall daily output — was suspended.
It was not immediately clear how badly the facilities were damaged, but shutting them down for more than a few days would affect the global oil supply.
Analysts who closely follow the Saudi oil industry said they were hearing that the impact would not be severe — perhaps only a few days’ outage, which the Saudis could cover.
“Crude prices will still rise a bit, but apparently the world economy dodged a bullet,” said Robert McNally, the president of Rapidan Energy Group, a Washington-based market research firm.
The Energy Department said that, if needed, the United States was ready to use its strategic oil reserves to offset any disruption in supply.
The attacks not only exposed a Saudi vulnerability in the war against the Houthis, but also demonstrated how relatively cheap it has become to stage such high-profile strikes. The drones used may have cost $15,000 or less to build, said Wim Zwijnenburg, a senior researcher on drones at PAX, a Dutch peace organization.
The strikes illustrate how David-and-Goliath tactics using cheap drones are adding a new layer of volatility to the Middle East. Such attacks not only damage vital economic infrastructure, but can also increase security costs, disrupt markets and spread fear.
While the Houthis do not have significant financial resources, drones give them a way to hurt Saudi Arabia, which was the world’s third-highest spender on military equipment in 2018, investing an estimated $67.6 billion.
“This has given the Saudis a challenge they can’t confront, no matter what their financial, military or intelligence capabilities are,” said Farea Al-Muslimi, co-founder of the Sanaa Center for Strategic Studies, which focuses on Yemen.
The attacks hit deeper into Saudi territory than most previous Houthi strikes and set off blazes whose smoke could be seen from space.
The war in Yemen began in 2014, when the Houthi rebels seized control of the capital and most of Yemen’s northwest, sending the government into exile. A coalition of Arab nations led by Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, with some support from the United States, began bombing Yemen in 2015, hoping to push the Houthis back and restore the government.
Instead, the war has settled into a stalemate, and the Houthis have developed increasingly sophisticated ways of striking back at Saudi Arabia, most notably with drones. The first indications of the Houthis using drones emerged last year, and their capabilities have improved since.
Mr. Zwijnenburg, the researcher, said the drones gave the Houthis an edge because they were cheap to produce, hard to detect and shoot down, and able to cause damage and disruption hugely disproportionate to their cost. While the Houthis’ exact capabilities are not known, they have developed over time.
The Houthis’ alliance with Iran also raises the possibility that their successes could be shared with other Iran-aligned militant groups in Iraq, Syria and Lebanon, he added.
The strike on one of the oil installations, in Abqaiq, was particularly worrying because it processes crude from several key Saudi oil fields, said Helima Croft, an analyst at RBC Capital Markets, an investment bank.
“This is the mother lode for an attack on Saudi infrastructure,” she said. “We have always been concerned about an attack on Abqaiq.”
Amy Myers Jaffe, a Middle East energy analyst at the Council on Foreign Relations, said the attacker was “knowledgeable, picking the maximum place for impact and damage.”
Rapidan Energy Group called Abqaiq by far the most important oil facility in the world.
“A successful attack on Abqaiq is about the worst thing energy security planners think about,” because the specialized equipment there would be difficult to quickly replace, said Mr. McNally, Rapidan’s president and a former White House energy adviser under President George W. Bush.
The firm estimated the Saudis have 188 million barrels of oil on hand, or enough to cover a disruption of five million barrels per day for 37 days. Mr. McNally predicted that oil traders would quickly “start doing the math,” potentially sending prices upward.
Mr. Pompeo has led the Trump administration’s “maximum pressure” campaign against Iran, trying to isolate Tehran’s cleric-run government with a rolling series of sanctions that have lashed its economy.
At the same time, Mr. Trump has said he is open to meeting with Iran’s president, Hassan Rouhani — potentially on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly this month — as a first step toward striking a new nuclear accord that would also stop its ballistic missiles program and support for extremist groups.
Mr. Rouhani repeated this week that he will not negotiate until the United States eases its sanctions.
Mr. McNally said these attacks are “likely to put on ice” talk of easing sanctions on Iran, with the consequences depending on how closely Tehran can be linked to them.
“Forget about easing sanctions,” he said. “We are talking about a step up on geopolitical risks.”
While there were no reports of casualties, the attacks struck at the core of the Saudi economy. They came just as Aramco accelerated plans for what could be the largest initial public offering of stock in the world, an event closely watched by global investors.
The Saudi Interior Ministry reported fires at the two processing centers — in Abqaiq and also in Khurais — before dawn on Saturday, and later said they had been attacked with drones. The ministry said both fires had been “controlled and contained,” the Saudi-owned news network Al Arabiya reported without any further details.
A Houthi spokesman, Brig. Gen. Yahya Sare’e, said that the group’s forces “carried out a massive offensive operation of 10 drones targeting Abqaiq and Khurais refineries.” He did not specifically say that they launched the drones from Yemen.
The conflict in Yemen has killed thousands of civilians, many of them in Saudi airstrikes using American-made weapons. It has also created an enormous humanitarian crisis with millions at risk of starvation and millions of others homeless.
In a report presented to the United Nations Human Rights Council in Geneva last week, a panel of experts said both sides in the conflict were committing horrific human rights abuses, including arbitrary killings, rape and torture, with impunity. The atrocities underscored the collective failure of the international community, the panel said.
After a period of relative calm, following a cease-fire brokered late last year, tensions have escalated in recent months. Houthi forces attacked Saudi pipelines and other oil infrastructure in May, temporarily halting the flow of crude oil, and in June they struck an airport in Saudi Arabia, wounding dozens of people.
In July, in a major blow to the Saudi-led coalition, the United Arab Emirates, which had been providing arms, money and, crucially, ground troops in Yemen, announced a rapid pullout from a conflict that had become too costly. The move left diplomats and analysts wondering whether Saudi Arabia would continue the war on its own.
Although the Trump administration has been a vocal supporter of Saudi efforts to deter Iran and its allies in the region, congressional opposition to the sale of arms and the deployment of extra troops in Saudi Arabia has limited the scope of support from the United States.
Reporting was contributed by Hwaida Saad from Beirut, Lebanon, Lara Jakes from Washington, Clifford Krauss from Houston, and Farnaz Fassihi from New York.
jucel69 • September 15, 2019 4:25 AM BST
Wouldn't be anything to do with global oil prices set to drop to sub $30 recently reported especially if the Iran issue cools and Aramcos desperate wish to get it back about $85 for its planned IPO that's been languishing with low oil prices
This is quite probably the most stupid post that jucel69 has made and there have been some whoppers.
His assertion is that Aramco severely damages its own capacity to produce oil and profits and increases its competitors profits to errr help its flotation.
Wouldn't be anything to do with global oil prices set to drop to sub $30 recently reported especially if the Iran issue cools and Aramcos desperate wish to get it back about $85 for its planned IPO that's been languishing with low oil prices
This is quite probably the most stupid post that jucel69 has made and there have been some whoppers.
His assertion is that Aramco severely damages its own capacity to produce oil and profits and increases its competitors profits to errr help its flotation.
Brent Crude 2019
| 2019 | Jan | Feb | Mar | Apr | May | Jun | Jul | Aug | Sep |
| Max | 62.70 | 67.12 | 68.50 | 74.57 | 72.62 | 66.55 | 67.01 | 61.89 | 62.59 |
| Min | 52.20 | 61.51 | 65.67 | 69.01 | 61.99 | 59.97 | 61.93 | 56.23 | 58.26 |
| Closing | 61.89 | 66.03 | 67.58 | 72.06 | 61.99 | 64.74 | 65.05 | 60.32 | 60.22 |
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/markets-by-sector/energy/drones-attack-saudi-arabian-oil-production/
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Saudi Arabia has been attacked by Iran or pro-Iran forces with the target being their capacity to produce oil. Saudi Arabia has admitted that its oil and gas production following drone attacks on two major oil facilities run by state-owned company Aramco will be reduced by as much as 50%. The Energy Minister said the strikes had reduced crude oil production by 5.7m barrels a day – about half the kingdom’s output.
It was further announced that part of the reduction would be compensated for by drawing on Aramco’s oil stocks since oil has been in an over-supply position of late. It was further announced that the situation was under control at both facilities.
https://twitter.com/SecPompeo/status/1172963090746548225
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A Yemeni Houthi rebel spokesman said it had deployed 10 drones in the attacks. However, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo blamed the attacks on Iran saying there was no evidence they came from Yemen. Pompeo further described the attack as “an unprecedented attack on the world’s energy supply”.This certainly will justify military action against Iran as the Middle East heats up despite the global cooling.
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Saudi Arabia has been attacked by Iran or pro-Iran forces with the target being their capacity to produce oil. Saudi Arabia has admitted that its oil and gas production following drone attacks on two major oil facilities run by state-owned company Aramco will be reduced by as much as 50%. The Energy Minister said the strikes had reduced crude oil production by 5.7m barrels a day – about half the kingdom’s output.
It was further announced that part of the reduction would be compensated for by drawing on Aramco’s oil stocks since oil has been in an over-supply position of late. It was further announced that the situation was under control at both facilities.
https://twitter.com/SecPompeo/status/1172963090746548225
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A Yemeni Houthi rebel spokesman said it had deployed 10 drones in the attacks. However, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo blamed the attacks on Iran saying there was no evidence they came from Yemen. Pompeo further described the attack as “an unprecedented attack on the world’s energy supply”.This certainly will justify military action against Iran as the Middle East heats up despite the global cooling.
Short term gain in oil prices but will only hasten ois demise
i worked in the oil & gas industry for far too long. it is rotten & wretched. god speed renewables and hopefully put them all
out of business
out of business
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo blamed Iran at the weekend, without providing any evidence, prompting Tehran to accuse Washington of deceit.
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One official said there were 19 points of impact on the targets and the attacks had come from the west and north-west - not Houthi-controlled territory in Yemen, which lies to the south-west of the Saudi oil facilities.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-49712417
So Iran is to the east of Saudi and Israel is to the North West. Just saying.
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One official said there were 19 points of impact on the targets and the attacks had come from the west and north-west - not Houthi-controlled territory in Yemen, which lies to the south-west of the Saudi oil facilities.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-49712417
So Iran is to the east of Saudi and Israel is to the North West. Just saying.
Was it the Russians Dave? ive burnt my toast,thats was them too. Or was it Iran?
Thing is gents,Iran have already been accused of different things in the last few months none of them true, now they know the world is watching them,they know the yanks and co are just itching to go to war,why would they be so stupid to do this? Answer is they wouldn't.
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Saudi Arabia oil supply was attacked. There is reason to believe that we know the culprit, are locked and loaded depending on verification, but are waiting to hear from the Kingdom as to who they believe was the cause of this attack, and under what terms we would proceed!
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Saudi Arabia oil supply was attacked. There is reason to believe that we know the culprit, are locked and loaded depending on verification, but are waiting to hear from the Kingdom as to who they believe was the cause of this attack, and under what terms we would proceed!
Who do you thing? like to give me odds on Iran Ann?
If you are prepared to inform the forum of what you believe to be the true version of events on 9/11, I will give my opinion on who was behind the attacks on the Saudi oil processing facilities.
Now you sound so much like Mexico then, look it up on the internet you lazy bitch and leard something, I don't nobody to take my word for it but I do expect people to at least look,mummy cant hold your hand forever,grow a pair and open your mind.
Sep 16, 2019 -- 8:35AM, terry mccann wrote:
Was it the Russians Dave? ive burnt my toast,thats was them too. Or was it Iran?
west and north-west
Military strategy possibly, dave? Maybe not so much radar / anti-aircraft round the "back door"?
Sep 16, 2019 -- 8:31AM, dave1357 wrote:
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo blamed Iran at the weekend, without providing any evidence, prompting Tehran to accuse Washington of deceit.......One official said there were 19 points of impact on the targets and the attacks had come from the west and north-west - not Houthi-controlled territory in Yemen, which lies to the south-west of the Saudi oil facilities.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-49712417So Iran is to the east of Saudi and Israel is to the North West. Just saying.
Sorry Terry!
The final direction of missiles prior to impact is far from conclusive evidence, these are highly sophisticated weapons, capable of multiple changes of direction.
That said, it is highly likely that there is some form of Iranian involvement.
That said, it is highly likely that there is some form of Iranian involvement.
Can you explain that Angoose? You see I cant see how pissing off the yanks and Israel would do them any favours given the said two are just itching for war and have been for years.
What he means is that you can spin any event to blame it on any arbitrary country. And then invade that country.
Looking at the past 30-40 years, no one asks questions and there are enough sheep in the west to fight the war for the governments.
All irrelevant though when you consider 6.5 billion people to be killed by 5G by 2025. A war in Iran hardly makes a difference.
Looking at the past 30-40 years, no one asks questions and there are enough sheep in the west to fight the war for the governments.
All irrelevant though when you consider 6.5 billion people to be killed by 5G by 2025. A war in Iran hardly makes a difference.
Firstly, Saudi Arabia and Iran are hardly on the best of terms, their mutual loathing for one another is hardly a secret.
Additionally, it has been widely reported that both the United States and Saudi Arabia believe that the Houthis receive support directly from Iran, going as far to claim that the Iranians are fighting a proxy war.
That the Saudis head a coalition in support of the Abdrabbuh Mansur Hadi led Yemeni government is also not disputed.
The Houthis were very quick to claim responsibility for the attack, so you need to stop and think where they obtained the sophisticated weaponry from.
And, if they are indeed sponsored by the Iranians, as claimed by the US and Saudi, do you really believe that they will have carried out an attack of this magnitude without first having received clearance from the Iranians?
The recent and ongoing history of hostility between Iran and the US is another clue, the Iranians proceeding to kidnap a tanker earlier today.
This tanker was bound for the UAE, the UAE being part of the Saudi led coalition in the Yemenese conflict.
Quite why they would choose now to make such an attack, I couldn't say with any certainty.
What is certain, however, is that the Iranians are involved in a ongoing confrontation with the US that is highly dangerous for all.
I'll post an article that you may find useful to help your understanding of the background to these highly complex issues.
Additionally, it has been widely reported that both the United States and Saudi Arabia believe that the Houthis receive support directly from Iran, going as far to claim that the Iranians are fighting a proxy war.
That the Saudis head a coalition in support of the Abdrabbuh Mansur Hadi led Yemeni government is also not disputed.
The Houthis were very quick to claim responsibility for the attack, so you need to stop and think where they obtained the sophisticated weaponry from.
And, if they are indeed sponsored by the Iranians, as claimed by the US and Saudi, do you really believe that they will have carried out an attack of this magnitude without first having received clearance from the Iranians?
The recent and ongoing history of hostility between Iran and the US is another clue, the Iranians proceeding to kidnap a tanker earlier today.
This tanker was bound for the UAE, the UAE being part of the Saudi led coalition in the Yemenese conflict.
Quite why they would choose now to make such an attack, I couldn't say with any certainty.
What is certain, however, is that the Iranians are involved in a ongoing confrontation with the US that is highly dangerous for all.
I'll post an article that you may find useful to help your understanding of the background to these highly complex issues.
Simon Tisdall
Like a furious maelstrom, roiled by opposing currents, the crisis in the Gulf gains in intensity and destructive power almost by the day. On Sunday, Donald Trump said the US was “locked and loaded”, ready to respond to attacks on an oil facility in Saudi Arabia, in which it believes Iran was involved. But warning bells, akin to those used to alert fog-bound mariners steering towards rocks, have been ringing out for months. They have mostly been ignored. The daunting bill for multiple acts of political insouciance, measured in lives and petrodollars, is now coming due.
It’s easy and convenient to solely blame Iran, as American and British officials routinely do without conclusive evidence. Rather, it is serial western and regional miscalculations that have drawn us ineluctably into this dread vortex.
How can disaster be averted? Who can stop a slide into a wider war that could swiftly engulf regional states from Israel to Saudi Arabia, and drag in US, British and maybe even Russian forces? Clues can be found in the mistakes that led to this point. Answers, if they exist, will only come through informed statesmanship of the sort signally lacking so far.
Mention of which brings us, first, to Trump and Iran. Tehran’s regime has been viewed as a threat by the US since the 1979 revolution. But it was Trump, with his unrivalled ability to make bad situations worse, who ripped up the Iran nuclear deal on 8 May last year, imposed punitive economic sanctions, and sparked the immediate crisis. His enmity has hurt Iran’s citizens – but not the regime.
In erring so idiotically, Trump preferred the advice of his discredited former national security adviser, John Bolton, over the personal pleadings of Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron. He also gave short shrift to his chum Boris Johnson, then foreign secretary, who made a last-minute dash to Washington. A damaging rift with Europe over Iran began that day.
Iran’s fractious, fractured leadership rallied, improbably unified by Trump. Military and clerical hardliners are now taking the fight – a fight, as they see it, against regime change by the US – to their enemies, principally the Saudis and Israelis.
Old geopolitical faultlines were recklessly aggravated and inflamed. Any sensible policy would seek to balance the regional claims of Shia Muslim Iran and the Sunni house of Saud. But the west – turning a blind eye for decades to pitiless autocracy, legalised misogyny and religious bigotry – has continued to court Riyadh and its corrupting riches.
Here again Trump jumped in, making shockwaves. Not content to cement the Saudi alliance during his first overseas visit as president, Trump made crown prince Mohammed bin Salman his new best friend. When the dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi was murdered by Saudi agents, Trump turned defence attorney. He is even trying to sell Salman nuclear technology. What would you think, were you in Iran’s shoes?
The failure of US and British leaders, among others, to halt Salman’s disastrous war of choice in Yemen marked another stage in this downward spiral. Ignoring war crimes and what the UN calls a worst-in-the-world humanitarian catastrophe, they continue to peddle arms, advice and diplomatic cover for Riyadh.
When the Yemen civil war began in 2015, there was scant evidence of active Iranian military support for the Houthi rebels. Yet now, reacting opportunistically to US attrition, Tehran’s Revolutionary Guards are apparently supplying – directly or indirectly – the drones, missiles and limpet mines used to attack Saudi oil fields, airfields and tankers.
What a result. Let’s presume to question the US’s chief diplomat, Mike Pompeo, about this extraordinary own goal. Hey, Mike, how do you turn a disagreement into a war? His answer: punch your opponent into a corner from which he cannot escape. What did Trump, Bolton and CIA director Gina Haspel think would happen when the US shredded the enrichment deal? What’s happening is that Iran is resuming the very activities that so alarm them.
Or here’s a question for another well-known international statesman: Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu. Is Iran already seeking to acquire nuclear weapons, as you claim – or are your pressure tactics more or less guaranteeing that it will? If it does, then that, surely, will be in large part thanks to your endless sabre-rattling. How does this make Israel safer?
This threat of general conflagration, whipped up by design or sheer incompetence, now overshadows the region as a whole. In the name of repulsing Iran, Israel is almost daily engaged in covert military operations against Tehran’s allies and proxy forces in Lebanon, Iraq and Syria – where, shamefully, civil war still rages.
It gets worse. Reports from Kuwait say the drones that hit the Saudi oil installations at the weekend overflew the country, suggesting they came from Shia militia bases in Iraq. In this developing regional war, Israel and the Saudis are, in effect, on the same side. Iraq’s government wants no part of it. But, thanks to the vacuum left by the US after the 2003-11 occupation, Tehran wields considerable influence in Baghdad.
The very last thing Iraqis want is the Americans coming back, using their territory as a forward base in a wider Iranian siege. Yet Trump suggested exactly that last year. Can this scenario be ruled out? Not entirely. And so reason takes flight and the maelstrom builds. Urgently needed now are competent leaders who know how to calm a storm before all are sucked under.
Like a furious maelstrom, roiled by opposing currents, the crisis in the Gulf gains in intensity and destructive power almost by the day. On Sunday, Donald Trump said the US was “locked and loaded”, ready to respond to attacks on an oil facility in Saudi Arabia, in which it believes Iran was involved. But warning bells, akin to those used to alert fog-bound mariners steering towards rocks, have been ringing out for months. They have mostly been ignored. The daunting bill for multiple acts of political insouciance, measured in lives and petrodollars, is now coming due.
It’s easy and convenient to solely blame Iran, as American and British officials routinely do without conclusive evidence. Rather, it is serial western and regional miscalculations that have drawn us ineluctably into this dread vortex.
How can disaster be averted? Who can stop a slide into a wider war that could swiftly engulf regional states from Israel to Saudi Arabia, and drag in US, British and maybe even Russian forces? Clues can be found in the mistakes that led to this point. Answers, if they exist, will only come through informed statesmanship of the sort signally lacking so far.
Mention of which brings us, first, to Trump and Iran. Tehran’s regime has been viewed as a threat by the US since the 1979 revolution. But it was Trump, with his unrivalled ability to make bad situations worse, who ripped up the Iran nuclear deal on 8 May last year, imposed punitive economic sanctions, and sparked the immediate crisis. His enmity has hurt Iran’s citizens – but not the regime.
In erring so idiotically, Trump preferred the advice of his discredited former national security adviser, John Bolton, over the personal pleadings of Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron. He also gave short shrift to his chum Boris Johnson, then foreign secretary, who made a last-minute dash to Washington. A damaging rift with Europe over Iran began that day.
Iran’s fractious, fractured leadership rallied, improbably unified by Trump. Military and clerical hardliners are now taking the fight – a fight, as they see it, against regime change by the US – to their enemies, principally the Saudis and Israelis.
Old geopolitical faultlines were recklessly aggravated and inflamed. Any sensible policy would seek to balance the regional claims of Shia Muslim Iran and the Sunni house of Saud. But the west – turning a blind eye for decades to pitiless autocracy, legalised misogyny and religious bigotry – has continued to court Riyadh and its corrupting riches.
Here again Trump jumped in, making shockwaves. Not content to cement the Saudi alliance during his first overseas visit as president, Trump made crown prince Mohammed bin Salman his new best friend. When the dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi was murdered by Saudi agents, Trump turned defence attorney. He is even trying to sell Salman nuclear technology. What would you think, were you in Iran’s shoes?
The failure of US and British leaders, among others, to halt Salman’s disastrous war of choice in Yemen marked another stage in this downward spiral. Ignoring war crimes and what the UN calls a worst-in-the-world humanitarian catastrophe, they continue to peddle arms, advice and diplomatic cover for Riyadh.
When the Yemen civil war began in 2015, there was scant evidence of active Iranian military support for the Houthi rebels. Yet now, reacting opportunistically to US attrition, Tehran’s Revolutionary Guards are apparently supplying – directly or indirectly – the drones, missiles and limpet mines used to attack Saudi oil fields, airfields and tankers.
What a result. Let’s presume to question the US’s chief diplomat, Mike Pompeo, about this extraordinary own goal. Hey, Mike, how do you turn a disagreement into a war? His answer: punch your opponent into a corner from which he cannot escape. What did Trump, Bolton and CIA director Gina Haspel think would happen when the US shredded the enrichment deal? What’s happening is that Iran is resuming the very activities that so alarm them.
Or here’s a question for another well-known international statesman: Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu. Is Iran already seeking to acquire nuclear weapons, as you claim – or are your pressure tactics more or less guaranteeing that it will? If it does, then that, surely, will be in large part thanks to your endless sabre-rattling. How does this make Israel safer?
This threat of general conflagration, whipped up by design or sheer incompetence, now overshadows the region as a whole. In the name of repulsing Iran, Israel is almost daily engaged in covert military operations against Tehran’s allies and proxy forces in Lebanon, Iraq and Syria – where, shamefully, civil war still rages.
It gets worse. Reports from Kuwait say the drones that hit the Saudi oil installations at the weekend overflew the country, suggesting they came from Shia militia bases in Iraq. In this developing regional war, Israel and the Saudis are, in effect, on the same side. Iraq’s government wants no part of it. But, thanks to the vacuum left by the US after the 2003-11 occupation, Tehran wields considerable influence in Baghdad.
The very last thing Iraqis want is the Americans coming back, using their territory as a forward base in a wider Iranian siege. Yet Trump suggested exactly that last year. Can this scenario be ruled out? Not entirely. And so reason takes flight and the maelstrom builds. Urgently needed now are competent leaders who know how to calm a storm before all are sucked under.
The Chinese have asked for some calmness and no pointing fingers without evidence. They are trying to get involved now in international conflicts. It'll be a much scarier world when they take over from America.
Anyone requesting Trump to remain calm and await solid evidence is poking a bear with a stick.
When that anyone is China, the stick has first been whittled to a sharp point
When that anyone is China, the stick has first been whittled to a sharp point
Of course, China is a major buyer of Iranian oil.
As is India, another emerging superpower.
As is India, another emerging superpower.
China do make me laugh though
I think its time they had one planted on right on them
I think its time they had one planted on right on them
Once we’ve taken back control, the UK will take its rightful place on the world stage as the dominant superpower and bang a few heads together 
We as peasants have never had any control
Only the elites have control and they wouldn't call themselves "british"
Only the elites have control and they wouldn't call themselves "british"
I don't think they will ever go to war, the fear is more powerful
If they did go to war there's less troops here to protect them
There's no chance of that happening, there's too many people here ready to kick off
If they did go to war there's less troops here to protect them
There's no chance of that happening, there's too many people here ready to kick off
War like Iran wont happen because there's to many people here who are intelligent enough to get to them if there's no troops
They'll need to scarper out the country before they kick any war off, and there's to many people abroad that'll be looking for them as well
They've plastered their faces all over the TV sets
Not the brightest thing to do
They'll need to scarper out the country before they kick any war off, and there's to many people abroad that'll be looking for them as well
They've plastered their faces all over the TV sets
Not the brightest thing to do
Sep 16, 2019 -- 10:12PM, SontaranStratagem wrote:
I don't think they will ever go to war, the fear is more powerfulIf they did go to war there's less troops here to protect themThere's no chance of that happening, there's too many people here ready to kick off
Less troops here to protect whom?
Ann,the problem with quoting from the elite owned Guardian is there will no truth and no evidence to back up what they say.Its all b0llocks what they print,my new friend troller will confirm that-wont you !!
I first gave my assessment before adding an opinion piece to provide an additional perspective.
Please feel free to post your assessment of how the Houthi's will have acquired the necessary weaponry, using sources of your choice.
Please feel free to post your assessment of how the Houthi's will have acquired the necessary weaponry, using sources of your choice.
US of A claiming location of drones came from
IRAN
Have they got the Betamax tapes?
IRAN
Have they got the Betamax tapes?
Syria, but the Don doesn't know its a$$ from his elbow when it comes to Geog,its how they must have made that slight error
Who the sausage nose anything but the 'towel' man loves to pull they yankees' chain.
It also helps to divert the home population away from rising prices, unemployment, civil unrest etc etc.
Fighting the evil western empire does concentrate some minds.
Iran's economy is not so healthy yah no.
Inter to win??
It also helps to divert the home population away from rising prices, unemployment, civil unrest etc etc.
Fighting the evil western empire does concentrate some minds.
Iran's economy is not so healthy yah no.
Inter to win??
its not only cos they have the yanks have sanctioned the poor bastards up to the hilt
Saudis kills thousands of innocent people with their bombing campaign in Yemen,no British condemnation.Attack on Saudi oil installations no reported casualties British Foreign Secretary outraged.
Seems like the usa defnse systems only cover a 120 degree arc
Not very good military defense idea
Going to have double up their systems to stop further attacks
Not very good military defense idea
Going to have double up their systems to stop further attacks
Brent crude closing price went from $60.22 on Friday the 13th, to $69.02 (+15%) on Monday the 16th, before falling back to $64.28 on Friday the 20th.
There was a BBC programme re Drones and its consequecies
on Sunday evening
Quite an eye opening programme
Better buy some protection
on Sunday evening
Quite an eye opening programme
Better buy some protection
Thomas Cooks gone bust so no need to report on Saudi Arabia and other dirty goings on now
Tick tock
Tick tock
Trump taking advice from the people both the CIA and UN believe were responsible for the torture and mutilation of Jamal Khashoggi.
Dont the Saudis have enough weapons to sort their own s hit out or are those weapons Trump et al sell only to be used in Yemen?
Dont the Saudis have enough weapons to sort their own s hit out or are those weapons Trump et al sell only to be used in Yemen?
I hear Boris has offered British sheep to the Saudis as well. It's beyond me how the Saudis can get the western countries to work with them when they legally have the worst human rights conditions and women are basically under house arrest at all times.
I don't know where this conflict is heading. Iran will obviously never be invaded as they have nuclear weapons. But which country will suffer a fate like Yemen? Or is this just drama to get more troops in the region. Who knows.
I don't know where this conflict is heading. Iran will obviously never be invaded as they have nuclear weapons. But which country will suffer a fate like Yemen? Or is this just drama to get more troops in the region. Who knows.
As if Iran would be so stupid,but I wouldn't put it pass the yanks to stage a false flag,well they do love a false flag
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